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**Mumia W.** · May 24 '06, 05:05 PM

Re: John Bokma harassment

SamFeltus wrote:[color=blue]
> I was considering opening an account with Dreamhost. Can't say I agree
> with all of Xah's writings, but they often raise important points.
> Dreamhost is a company I will never spend money with. Usenet is full
> of narrow minded group thinking that needs to be questioned.
>[/color]

Write abuse@dreamhost and tell them why you're not going to patronize
them. Explain to them that what they are doing to Xah you're not going
to support.

Who knows? Maybe Dreamhost isn't all that bad. Perhaps the worst thing
about Dreamhost is that John Bokma can harass Xah through them.

The idea that an ISP allows itself to be used like that is pretty bad,
but Xah hasn't lost his account yet.

Write something to the abuse address at Dreamhost in support of Xah.
It's not about whether Xah is correct on every issue; it's about
peoples' freedom to communicate on the Internet.

Otherwise, you could say something controversial, and John Bokma writes
your ISP/hosting service, and you get TOSSed.

**Mumia W.** · May 24 '06, 05:05 PM

Re: John Bokma harassment

Mitch wrote:[color=blue]
> John Bokma wrote:
> [...][color=green]
>> You're mistaken. All you need to do is report it. After some time Xah
>> will either walk in line with the rest of the world, or has found
>> somewhere else to yell. As long as it's not my back garden and not
>> around 4AM, I am ok with it.
>>[/color]
>
> Walk in line with the rest of the world? Pah.
>
> This is no-ones back garden.[/color]

But it is a place where John Bokma can engage in a little power play.

Notice how John Bokma pretends to own these newsgroups. In every
analogy, Bokma uses "ownership" concepts to support his harassment of Xah.

John Bokma conceptualizes these newsgroups as something that he
dominates. Without other people to recognize his power, it's empty, so
he bashes and then trashes Xah, and in doing so, proves that he is
dominant here.

Don't let it happen. Write the abuse address at Dreamhost, and try to
help Xah out.

**olsongt@verizon.net** · May 24 '06, 05:25 PM

Re: John Bokma harassment

[color=blue][color=green]
> >
> >
> > Time for a game!
> >
> > Both johnbokma.com and castleamber.com are hosted by seagull.net. Here
> > is a link to their TOS:
> >
> > http://www.seagull.net/tos.html
> >
> > Who can come up with the most violations that John is committing on
> > this thread? I count 4.
> >[/color]
> Let's not drop to his level.
> --[/color]

I agree. I never actually said that anyone should report him. I simply
wanted to illustrate his hipocrisy.

[Although John insinuated I did say that, which I find defamitory, and
is clearly a violation of his TOS ;-) ]

**Geoffrey Summerhayes** · May 24 '06, 06:25 PM

Re: John Bokma harassment

"Bill Atkins" <NOatkinwSPAM@r pi.edu> wrote in message
news:87y7wre6yr .fsf@rpi.edu...[color=blue]
> John Bokma <john@castleamb er.com> writes:
>
> [snip]
>[color=green]
>> --
>> John MexIT: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/
>> personal page: http://johnbokma.com/
>> Experienced programmer available: http://castleamber.com/
>> Happy Customers: http://castleamber.com/testimonials.html[/color]
>
> Interesting. Doesn't your signature contain advertisements for your
> website? Aren't you posting to five different groups?[/color]

Shh! Pointing out ironic hypocrisy never works.

--
Geoff

P.S. You forgot that it's also off-topic for all groups.
P.P.S. Mea culpa

**PofN** · May 24 '06, 06:45 PM

Xah Lee network abuse

Xah Lee wrote:[color=blue]
> I'm sorry to trouble everyone.[/color]

Liar. You were never sorry when you troubled us with your posting
excrements in the past, you are not sorry now.
[color=blue]
> But as you might know, due to my
> controversial writings and style,[/color]

Liar. You are a net abuser, a kook and a troll. It has nothing to do
with your writings and style. It has everything to do with your
vialoation of netiquette, with you x-posting of off-topic messages,
with your trolling and kookery.
[color=blue]
> recently John Bokma lobbied people to
> complaint to my web hosting provider.[/color]

Liear. John asked people do do their duty as net citizens and to report
a serial net abuser.
[color=blue]
> After exchanging a few emails, my
> web hosting provider sent me a 30-day account cancellation notice last
> Friday.[/color]

Shit. So they gave you 30 more days to abuse the net. Shit, shit, shit.
They should have pulled the plug immediately.
[color=blue]
> I'm not sure I will be able to keep using their service, but I do hope
> so.[/color]

Lets hope not.
[color=blue]
> I do not like to post off-topic messages,[/color]

Liar. Your whole usenet "career" is build around the posting of
off-topic messages.
[color=blue]
> but this is newsgroup
> incidence is getting out of hand,[/color]

Liar. You were getting out of hand for some time now.
[color=blue]
> and I wish people to know about it.[/color]

People know very well about you, Xah Lee, the serial newsgroup abuser,
troll, liar, and kook.
[color=blue]
> I wrote some full detail here:
> http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_di...arassment.html[/color]

More lies.
[color=blue]
> If you believe this lobbying to my webhosting provider is unjust,
> please write to my web hosting provider abuse@dreamhost .com[/color]

I believe it is justified, and I wrote dreamhost to thank them. You now
reap what you saw. You refused to play nice with us in the past, now
don't be surprised that people don't come to your aid.
[color=blue]
> Your help is appreciated. Thank you.[/color]

I appreciate the courage of John and friends to stand up against
someone who is out of control. You are not even affraid off accusing
John of a crime (harrasment) and starting a smear campaing on your web
site. You have sunken so low that you are fast approaching the earth's
metal core.

*Thanks John for making usenet a better place!*

**George Sakkis** · May 24 '06, 07:05 PM

Re: John Bokma harassment

Geoffrey Summerhayes wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Bill Atkins" <NOatkinwSPAM@r pi.edu> wrote in message
> news:87y7wre6yr .fsf@rpi.edu...[color=green]
> > John Bokma <john@castleamb er.com> writes:
> >
> > [snip]
> >[color=darkred]
> >> --
> >> John MexIT: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/
> >> personal page: http://johnbokma.com/
> >> Experienced programmer available: http://castleamber.com/
> >> Happy Customers: http://castleamber.com/testimonials.html[/color]
> >
> > Interesting. Doesn't your signature contain advertisements for your
> > website? Aren't you posting to five different groups?[/color]
>
> Shh! Pointing out ironic hypocrisy never works.[/color]

You can say that again: http://tinyurl.com/hvvqd

George

**Serge Orlov** · May 24 '06, 08:55 PM

Re: Python Version Testing Tool?

Michael Yanowitz wrote:[color=blue]
> Hello:
>
> Is there a version testing tool available for Python
> such that I can check to see if my code will still run in
> versions 2.2, 2.3, 2.4.3, and 1.1 (for example) (or whatever)
> without having to install all these different versions on my
> computer?[/color]

Such tool will never be reliable, unless it duplicates all the work
that went into all python versions.

**Larry Elmore** · May 24 '06, 11:35 PM

Re: John Bokma harassment

Bill Atkins wrote:[color=blue]
> John Bokma <john@castleamb er.com> writes:
>
>[color=green]
>>Ken Tilton <kentilton@gmai l.com> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Ben Bullock wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Xah Lee" <xah@xahlee.org > wrote in message
>>>>news:114845 9377.384317.100 730@j73g2000cwa .googlegroups.c om...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If you believe this lobbying to my webhosting provider is unjust,
>>>>>please write to my web hosting provider abuse@dreamhost .com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Why don't you just change your provider? It would take less time than
>>>>this.
>>>
>>>Are you joking. "Just change your provider?" Do you have a little
>>>button on your computer that says "Change provider"? Cool! :)[/color]
>>
>>No, it will cost Xah money. In the end he will be with a bullet proof
>>hoster, like other kooks on Usenet, or get the message.
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>C'mon, John Bokma (and everyone else dumb enough to crosspost their
>>>shushing to every group on the crosspost list -- why do they do that?[/color]
>>
>>So other people can read that reporting Xah *does* have an effect. A lot
>>of people think that a kill file is the only solution.[/color]
>
>
> You win my unofficial contest for "Usenet Tool of the Year." It is
> not difficult to skip to the next file or to add a sender to a
> killfile. It is certainly less of a hassle than all this complaining
> you do.[/color]

No shit. Lately it seems that for every "spam" post of Xah's, there's
at three or more by John *to all the same newsgroups* bitching about
Xah's use of bandwidth. Pot, meet kettle. I'm killfiling Xah for being
a useless twit and killfiling John for being a prick about it.

--Larry

**usenet@DavidFilmer.com** · May 25 '06, 12:35 AM

Re: John Bokma harassment

Xah Lee wrote:[color=blue]
> I do not like to post off-topic messages[/color]

Oh REALLY? That's strange, because I don't recall ever seeing an
on-topic message (a Perl message in a Perl newsgroup) from Xah. Every
one of the many Xah post I've ever seen (including the "Philosophe r"
message that this thread morphed into) was off-topic for a Perl
programming newsgroup.

--

http://DavidFilmer.com

**Peter Decker** · May 25 '06, 12:55 AM

Re: John Bokma harassment

On 24 May 2006 15:26:12 GMT, John Bokma <john@castleamb er.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> "Ant" <antroy@gmail.c om> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I have no particular affinity for Xah's views, but what does get up my
> > nose is usenet Nazism.[/color]
>
> That's because you're clueless.[/color]

Sounds like your one of those Bush ass-lickers who think that being
different is a crime.

Intelligent people can handle weirdos. It's only uptight jerks who
want everyone to fall into line with state/corporate policy. Sunshine
is the best disinfectant.
--

# p.d.

**Peter Decker** · May 25 '06, 12:55 AM

Re: John Bokma harassment

On 24 May 2006 15:54:56 GMT, John Bokma <john@castleamb er.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> And ain't it cool that reporting Xah's abuse might stop both?[/color]

C'mon - admit it! you hafta be a Republican with a hardon for Bush! <rof,lmao!>

--

# p.d.

**Bob Felts** · May 25 '06, 01:15 AM

Re: John Bokma harassment

John Bokma <john@castleamb er.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Ant" <antroy@gmail.c om> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I have no particular affinity for Xah's views, but what does get up my
> > nose is usenet Nazism.[/color]
>
> That's because you're clueless.[/color]

Count me among the clueless, then. I just wrote to DreamHost and asked
that they reverse their decision to terminate his account.

Xah may be annoying; but he's harmless. Certain self-elected net
nannies, however, are not.

**John Bokma** · May 25 '06, 03:15 AM

Re: John Bokma harassment

wrf3@stablecros s.com (Bob Felts) wrote:
[color=blue]
> Count me among the clueless, then. I just wrote to DreamHost and asked
> that they reverse their decision to terminate his account.[/color]

I am sure that DreamHost has quite a nice /dev/null for clueless idiots
like you and your sock puppets :-D.

--
John MexIT: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/
personal page: http://johnbokma.com/
Experienced programmer available: http://castleamber.com/
Happy Customers: http://castleamber.com/testimonials.html

**Ben Bullock** · May 25 '06, 03:35 AM

Re: John Bokma harassment

"Ken Tilton" <kentilton@gmai l.com> wrote in message
news:R_Zcg.248$ LO3.40@fe11.lga ...[color=blue]
>
>
> Ben Bullock wrote:[color=green]
>> "Xah Lee" <xah@xahlee.org > wrote in message
>> news:1148459377 .384317.100730@ j73g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .
>>[color=darkred]
>>> If you believe this lobbying to my webhosting provider is unjust,
>>> please write to my web hosting provider abuse@dreamhost .com[/color]
>>
>>
>> Why don't you just change your provider? It would take less time than
>> this.[/color]
>
> Are you joking. "Just change your provider?" Do you have a little button
> on your computer that says "Change provider"? Cool! :)[/color]

No, but if you go any look at the website of Xah Lee, he seems to have spent
enough time and energy complaining that it would be overwhelmingly greater
than the time it would take him to apply for a new provider.

**marc spitzer** · May 25 '06, 04:15 AM

Re: John Bokma harassment

On 2006-05-25, John Bokma <john@castleamb er.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> wrf3@stablecros s.com (Bob Felts) wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Count me among the clueless, then. I just wrote to DreamHost and asked
>> that they reverse their decision to terminate his account.[/color]
>
> I am sure that DreamHost has quite a nice /dev/null for clueless idiots
> like you and your sock puppets :-D.
>[/color]

point of order, rudness is always off topic. Since you want to have
such high standards for others you might want to start applying them
to your self as well.

marc

--
ms4720@sdf.lone star.org
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