Software Needs Philosophers

[Claudio Grondi]

Re: John Bokma harassment

Tim N. van der Leeuw wrote:[color=blue]
> ilitzroth@gmail .com wrote:
>[color=green]
>>I agree there are limits to you right to free speech, but I believe Xah
>>Lee is not crossing
>>any boundaries. If he starts taking over newspapers and TV stations be
>>sure to notify me,
>>I might revise my position.
>>Immanuel[/color]
>
>
> Perhaps he's not crossing boundaries of free speech, but he's
> repeatedly crossing boundaries on usenet nettiquette, even though
> repeatedly he's being asked not to do so. (Extensive crossposting to
> various usenetgroups / mailing lists, for instance).
>
> If he would just post his stuff on a blog and find a way to get people
> to visit his blog, without crossposting to 10 usenest groups for each
> post he makes to his blog, then nobody would mind him expressing his
> opinions, and those interested could discuss them wildly on the blog.
>
> But I've repeatedly seen people telling him not to crosspost his essays
> to so many newsgroups, yet he continues doing it.
> If that's enough to quit his subscription with his ISP I don't know,
> but since I've stopped following threads originated by him I don't know
> what other grounds there would be.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --Tim
>[/color]
Well said, Tim.

Claudio

[John Bokma]

Re: John Bokma harassment

fup to poster

"Xah Lee" <xah@xahlee.org > wrote:
[color=blue]
> I'm sorry to trouble everyone. But as you might know, due to my
> controversial writings and style,[/color]

You're mistaken. Not that I or many other people with some brains had
expected anything else. The problem is that you crosspost to 5 groups (5,
which I am sure is a limitation Google Groups set to you, and has nothing
to do with you respecting Usenet a bit) for the sole purpose of
spamvertizing your website.
[color=blue]
> recently John Bokma lobbied people to
> complaint to my web hosting provider. After exchanging a few emails, my
> web hosting provider sent me a 30-day account cancellation notice last
> Friday.[/color]

Which shows that your actions are frowned upon by others, for good
reasons. Of course you are going in cry baby mode now.
[color=blue]
> I'm not sure I will be able to keep using their service, but I do hope
> so. I do not like to post off-topic messages,[/color]

Liar.
[color=blue]
> but this is newsgroup
> incidence is getting out of hand, and I wish people to know about it.
>
> I wrote some full detail here:
> http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_di...arassment.html[/color]

You mean your brain farted again some bullshit.
[color=blue]
> If you believe this lobbying to my webhosting provider is unjust,
> please write to my web hosting provider abuse@dreamhost .com[/color]

dreamhost has made a decission, a right one IMO. And now you ask people to
harass them more?

You really are just a pathetic little shit now aren't you?

Not even the balls nor the guts to fix the issue that you are.

--
John Bokma Freelance software developer
&
Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/

[John Bokma]

Re: John Bokma harassment

"Dag Sunde" <me@dagsunde.co m> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Xah Lee" <xah@xahlee.org > skrev i melding
> news:1148459377 .384317.100730@ j73g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .[color=green]
>> I'm sorry to trouble everyone. But as you might know, due to my
>> controversial writings and style, recently John Bokma lobbied people to
>> complaint to my web hosting provider. After exchanging a few emails, my
>> web hosting provider sent me a 30-day account cancellation notice last
>> Friday.[/color]
>
> The solution to your problem is very simple:
>
> Stop posting your "controvers ial writings and style" to public
> newgroups, and keep them on your web-server where they belong.[/color]

Or post them to one, and just one, relevant news group instead of
spamvertizing your site with a hit & run post in 5 (which is a Google
Groups limit, if it was 10, Xah would use 10)

--
John Bokma Freelance software developer
&
Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/

[John Bokma]

Re: John Bokma harassment

Ken Tilton <kentilton@gmai l.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Ben Bullock wrote:[color=green]
>> "Xah Lee" <xah@xahlee.org > wrote in message
>> news:1148459377 .384317.100730@ j73g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .
>>[color=darkred]
>>> If you believe this lobbying to my webhosting provider is unjust,
>>> please write to my web hosting provider abuse@dreamhost .com[/color]
>>
>>
>> Why don't you just change your provider? It would take less time than
>> this.[/color]
>
> Are you joking. "Just change your provider?" Do you have a little
> button on your computer that says "Change provider"? Cool! :)[/color]

No, it will cost Xah money. In the end he will be with a bullet proof
hoster, like other kooks on Usenet, or get the message.
[color=blue]
> C'mon, John Bokma (and everyone else dumb enough to crosspost their
> shushing to every group on the crosspost list -- why do they do that?[/color]

So other people can read that reporting Xah *does* have an effect. A lot
of people think that a kill file is the only solution.
[color=blue]
> So Xah will hear them six times? No, they want everyone to see how
> witty they are when they tell Xah off.[/color]

So you haven't noticed that Xah does just hit & run posting?

In short, you have no clue what this is about, or are one of the fans Xah
seem to have?

Get a clue Kenny.

--
John Bokma Freelance software developer
&
Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/

[John Bokma]

Re: John Bokma harassment

Timo Stamm <timo.stamm@arc or.de> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Tim N. van der Leeuw schrieb:[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Perhaps he's not crossing boundaries of free speech, but he's
>> repeatedly crossing boundaries on usenet nettiquette, even though
>> repeatedly he's being asked not to do so.[/color]
>
> And repeatedly, others have encouraged him because they appreciate his
> posts.[/color]

Of which I am sure a large part are just in for the troll fest that
follows. Some probably have also bumped into the netiquette. And instead
of using their brains, they can't handle the dent in their ego, and what
is not with them, must be shit, so they love stuff like this.

Every Usenet kook has a group of pathetic followers and sock puppets.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> but since I've stopped following threads originated by him[/color]
>
> That's all you need to do if you are not interested in his posts.[/color]

You're mistaken. All you need to do is report it. After some time Xah will
either walk in line with the rest of the world, or has found somewhere
else to yell. As long as it's not my back garden and not around 4AM, I am
ok with it.


--
John Bokma Freelance software developer
&
Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/

[John Bokma]

Re: John Bokma harassment

Eli Gottlieb <eligottlieb@gm ail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Who reads blogs? They're well known for housing crackpots far worse
> than Xah, and I estimate he doesn't want to associate himself with that
> sort.[/color]

Yup, he seems to be quite happy as a Usenet Kook

--
John Bokma Freelance software developer
&
Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/

[Mitch]

Re: John Bokma harassment

John Bokma wrote:
[...][color=blue]
> You're mistaken. All you need to do is report it. After some time Xah will
> either walk in line with the rest of the world, or has found somewhere
> else to yell. As long as it's not my back garden and not around 4AM, I am
> ok with it.
>[/color]

Walk in line with the rest of the world? Pah.

This is no-ones back garden.

[Bill Atkins]

Re: John Bokma harassment

Ken Tilton <kentilton@gmai l.com> writes:
[color=blue]
> C'mon, John Bokma (and everyone else dumb enough to crosspost their
> shushing to every group on the crosspost list -- why do they do that?
> So Xah will hear them six times? No, they want everyone to see how
> witty they are when they tell Xah off. Now /that/ is spam) is the
> problem.[/color]

+12 !

--
You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most
famous is, "Never get involved in a land war in Asia", but only
slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when
death is on the line"!

[John Bokma]

Re: John Bokma harassment

"Ant" <antroy@gmail.c om> wrote:
[color=blue]
> I have no particular affinity for Xah's views, but what does get up my
> nose is usenet Nazism.[/color]

That's because you're clueless.

--
John MexIT: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/
personal page: http://johnbokma.com/
Experienced programmer available: http://castleamber.com/
Happy Customers: http://castleamber.com/testimonials.html

[John Bokma]

Re: John Bokma harassment

Mitch <spudtheimpaler @hotORgooMAIL.i nvalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
> John Bokma wrote:
> [...][color=green]
>> You're mistaken. All you need to do is report it. After some time Xah
>> will either walk in line with the rest of the world, or has found
>> somewhere else to yell. As long as it's not my back garden and not
>> around 4AM, I am ok with it.
>>[/color]
>
> Walk in line with the rest of the world? Pah.
>
> This is no-ones back garden.[/color]

Funny how people who always think they can "change Usenet" have no clue
about what Usenet is and how it works in the first place.

Usenet is just that, each server participating can be thought of as being
the back yard of the news master.

If you have no clue about how Usenet works, first read up a bit. What a
Usenet server is, a feed, and how Usenet is distributed.

And then come back if you finally have something to say that you can back
up.

--
John MexIT: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/
personal page: http://johnbokma.com/
Experienced programmer available: http://castleamber.com/
Happy Customers: http://castleamber.com/testimonials.html

[Bill Atkins]

Re: John Bokma harassment

John Bokma <john@castleamb er.com> writes:
[color=blue]
> Ken Tilton <kentilton@gmai l.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Ben Bullock wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Xah Lee" <xah@xahlee.org > wrote in message
>>> news:1148459377 .384317.100730@ j73g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .
>>>
>>>> If you believe this lobbying to my webhosting provider is unjust,
>>>> please write to my web hosting provider abuse@dreamhost .com
>>>
>>>
>>> Why don't you just change your provider? It would take less time than
>>> this.[/color]
>>
>> Are you joking. "Just change your provider?" Do you have a little
>> button on your computer that says "Change provider"? Cool! :)[/color]
>
> No, it will cost Xah money. In the end he will be with a bullet proof
> hoster, like other kooks on Usenet, or get the message.
>[color=green]
>> C'mon, John Bokma (and everyone else dumb enough to crosspost their
>> shushing to every group on the crosspost list -- why do they do that?[/color]
>
> So other people can read that reporting Xah *does* have an effect. A lot
> of people think that a kill file is the only solution.[/color]

You win my unofficial contest for "Usenet Tool of the Year." It is
not difficult to skip to the next file or to add a sender to a
killfile. It is certainly less of a hassle than all this complaining
you do.

Life is short, John Bokma. There are more important things in the
world than tattling on Xah to his host. Maybe you can start
experiencing them if you learn to make use of the 'next message' key.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> So Xah will hear them six times? No, they want everyone to see how
>> witty they are when they tell Xah off.[/color]
>
> So you haven't noticed that Xah does just hit & run posting?[/color]

I've noticed it - but have you?

It would be only one post that could easily be ignored, if not for all
this rubbish that you and people like you feel the need to post (sure,
I realize I'm contributing to the problem). Isn't "hit & run posting"
better than a thread full of nonsense?

--
You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most
famous is, "Never get involved in a land war in Asia", but only
slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when
death is on the line"!

[Rune Strand]

Re: John Bokma harassment


Xah Lee wrote:[color=blue]
> I'm sorry to trouble everyone. But as you might know, due to my
> controversial writings and style, recently John Bokma lobbied people to
> complaint to my web hosting provider. After exchanging a few emails, my
> web hosting provider sent me a 30-day account cancellation notice last
> Friday.[/color]
[color=blue]
> xah@xahlee.org
> ∑ http://xahlee.org/[/color]

I can just declare my support. Reading Mr. Bokmas comments below[*]
certainly makes my suport stronger.

*

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/tree/browse_frm/thread/28edb6b248dbae85/b89d934d12adf3a9?rnum=61&utoken=rJk98zMAAAAqRjR_RIs2SQx_9Hh6SccKbmCj1Nw6TBD3Zp3qTOpBLP1axhNO2WH2KLoXjtKtup7b9E_jTXH5EMe8d2Tvis0T&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcomp.lang.python%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F28edb6b248dbae85%2Fbbcab154ad579cd4%3Futoken%3DrJk98zMAAAAqRjR_RIs2SQx_9Hh6SccKbmCj1Nw6TBD3Zp3qTOpBLP1axhNO2WH2KLoXjtKtup7b9E_jTXH5EMe8d2Tvis0T%26#doc_837dc168e2a56fa2

[olsongt@verizon.net]

Re: John Bokma harassment


John Bokma wrote:[color=blue]
> "Ant" <antroy@gmail.c om> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I have no particular affinity for Xah's views, but what does get up my
> > nose is usenet Nazism.[/color]
>
> That's because you're clueless.
>
> --
> John MexIT: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/
> personal page: http://johnbokma.com/
> Experienced programmer available: http://castleamber.com/
> Happy Customers: http://castleamber.com/testimonials.html[/color]

Time for a game!

Both johnbokma.com and castleamber.com are hosted by seagull.net. Here
is a link to their TOS:

http://www.seagull.net/tos.html

Who can come up with the most violations that John is committing on
this thread? I count 4.

[Timo Stamm]

Re: John Bokma harassment

John Bokma schrieb:[color=blue]
> Timo Stamm <timo.stamm@arc or.de> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Tim N. van der Leeuw schrieb:[/color]
> [...][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> but since I've stopped following threads originated by him[/color]
>> That's all you need to do if you are not interested in his posts.[/color]
>
> You're mistaken. All you need to do is report it.[/color]

Why the hell should I do that? I find his postings interesting. Of
course I am just a pathetic, egocentric sock puppet with a dent in my
ego and not using my brains, according to your logic.

Thank you.

[color=blue]
> After some time Xah will either walk in line with the rest of the world > [...][/color]

You sound like a villain from a James Bond movie.


Timo

[Robert Boyd]

Re: John Bokma harassment

On 24 May 2006 08:29:57 -0700, Rune Strand <rune.strand@gm ail.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>[/color]
[color=blue]
> I can just declare my support. Reading Mr. Bokmas comments below[*]
> certainly makes my suport stronger.
>[/color]

I sent an email in support of Xah, which I wouldn't have bothered to
do had I not read the rapid-fire posts from Bokma which were abusive,
insulting, and arrogant. Xah's posts often make me roll my eyes, or I
skip them, but sometimes (and more so lately) they have been
intriguing and foster thought-provoking replies. I'd prefer debate and
discussion be fostered, rather than squelched. But what does this
clueless sock-puppet know? ;)