Software Needs Philosophers

[John Bokma]

OT: Navarth (was Re: John Bokma harassment)

"Geoffrey Summerhayes" <sumrnot@NhOoSt PmAaMil.com> wrote:
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>
> "John Bokma" <john@castleamb er.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns97CE8E1 B64A6Bcastleamb er@130.133.1.4. ..[color=green]
>> "Geoffrey Summerhayes" <sRuEmMrOnVoEt@ hotmail.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> After you kill Navarth, will it be nothing but gruff and deedle
>>> with a little wobbly to fill in the chinks?[/color]
>>
>> Comparing Navarth with Xah is a huge insult to Jack Vance. You should
>> be ashamed of yourself for even thinking about it, let alone write it
>> down.[/color]
>
> Mr. Vance is too intelligent to be insulted by this.[/color]

OTOH he changed Wankh to Wannek. [1]
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> OTOH, Mad Navarth is free to be as insulted as much
> as his fictional soul will allow. :)[/color]

One can only wonder what he would say, but if it comes out in print, I
will buy it and read it and probably enjoy it.


[1] http://starling.us/wankh_vs_wannek.html

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[Robin Becker]

Re: John Bokma harassment

Steve Holden wrote:
.......[color=blue]
> I too wrote to XL's hosting company pointing out that while he might be
> an irritant he wasn't particularly abusive. Bokma, on the other hand,
> can be. I don't like either of them much, but at least Xah Lee insults
> everyone while Bokma appears to resort to ad hominem attacks frequently.[/color]

It seems strange to me that XL gets such a bad rep. It takes at least two to
make a flame war/troll work so why do others jump in with both feet. It's like
many approaches to narcotics control ie try to stem the source, the proper
approach is to halt the demand. Just stay silent.

Trying to call XL a net abuser is just silly and wrong. Many people have ideas
which others consider wrong, blasphemous, dangerous, stupid etc etc etc, but
freedom of expression is important.
--
Robin Becker

[Robert Sedlacek]

Re: John Bokma harassment

In comp.lang.perl. misc Mitch <spudtheimpaler @hotorgoomail.i nvalid> wrote
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> All that I snipped is your opinion, which is yours to do with as you
> please. "I like it just the way it is." is *MY* opinion, so please
> don't try to change it. I think I know my opinion best.[/color]

Wrong. You don't like it how it is. Because as it is now, if someone
acts irresponsible for his own actions, his ISP might get an abuse
message and might act on that. You want it to follow you own personal
moral standards that you feel are being hurt by the usenet as it is.
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> And as for setting it to reply to only you, I changed that back. I
> don't think you censoring (redirecting) other peoples replies/opinions
> serves the purpose of this thread well.[/color]

It's certanily not speaking for you that you compare that and abuse
messages to "censorship ." It mostly seems like you try to make an
argument by acting emtionally.

Won't do.


p

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The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal.
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[Chris Uppal]

Re: John Bokma harassment

Fred Gilham wrote:
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> BTW, one time I tried a little social engineering to get rid of an
> irrelevant cross-posted thread. I replied to the messages in the
> thread (an irrelevant political thread posted in rec.audio.tubes ) with
> (somewhat) inflammatory replies but deleted my newsgroup from the
> follow-up line. I kept doing this for a day or two to every message
> that showed up in rec.audio.tubes . The result was that the threads
> actually died out pretty fast in that newsgroup.[/color]

Clever idea. Evil, but clever ;-)

-- chris

[Chris Uppal]

OT: Quote ? [was: John Bokma harassment]

[apologies to the whole flaming crowd for sending this to the whole flaming
crowd...]

Geoffrey Summerhayes wrote:
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> After you kill Navarth, will it be nothing but gruff and deedle
> with a little wobbly to fill in the chinks?[/color]

Where does that come from ? It sounds like a quote, and Navarth is a Jack
Vance name (and /what/ a character), but I don't remember the rest of it
occurring in Vance.

-- chris

[Mumia W.]

Re: John Bokma harassment

Robert Sedlacek wrote:[color=blue]
> In comp.lang.perl. misc Mitch <spudtheimpaler @hotorgoomail.i nvalid> wrote
>[color=green]
>> All that I snipped is your opinion, which is yours to do with as you
>> please. "I like it just the way it is." is *MY* opinion, so please
>> don't try to change it. I think I know my opinion best.[/color]
>
> Wrong. You don't like it how it is. Because as it is now, if someone
> acts irresponsible for his own actions, his ISP might get an abuse
> message and might act on that. [...][/color]

To suggest that Xah's *on-topic* posts to *five* newsgroups is
irresponsible is ludicrous. In this newsgroup, there's a message
crossposted to about a dozen newsgroups with a subject of "teen sister
peeing outside." This message contains a trojan.

*That*'s an example of an irresponsible message. Xah's posts are not.

[John Bokma]

Re: OT: Quote ? [was: John Bokma harassment]

"Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@me tagnostic.REMOV E-THIS.org> wrote:
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> [apologies to the whole flaming crowd for sending this to the whole
> flaming crowd...]
>
> Geoffrey Summerhayes wrote:
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>> After you kill Navarth, will it be nothing but gruff and deedle
>> with a little wobbly to fill in the chinks?[/color]
>
> Where does that come from ? It sounds like a quote, and Navarth is a
> Jack Vance name (and /what/ a character), but I don't remember the
> rest of it occurring in Vance.[/color]

Navarth is very present in "the palace of dreams" (Demon princes series)

The gruff, deedle and wobbly is mentioned IIRC in Wyst (Alastor 1716), but
not sure about it. IIRC it's all you need in the egalistic world of Wyst.


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[Roedy Green]

Re: Software Needs Philosophers

On 21 May 2006 02:15:31 -0700, "Xah Lee" <xah@xahlee.org > wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
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>FACT: Java has no first-class functions and no macros. This results in
>warped code that hacks around the problem, and as the code base grows,
>it takes on a definite, ugly shape, one that's utterly unique to Java.[/color]

You need to back up a sweeping statement like that with an least an
example code showing how it could much better be handled with macros.

Java has lots of macro languages, including C++'s preprocessor. What
it does not have is a sanctioned one. It has instead on-the-fly code
generation. See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/onthefly.html


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[Frank Goenninger DG1SBG]

Re: John Bokma harassment

John Bokma <john@castleamb er.com> writes:
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> wrf3@stablecros s.com (Bob Felts) wrote:
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>> Count me among the clueless, then. I just wrote to DreamHost and asked
>> that they reverse their decision to terminate his account.[/color]
>
> I am sure that DreamHost has quite a nice /dev/null for clueless idiots
> like you and your sock puppets :-D.
>
> --
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> personal page: http://johnbokma.com/
> Experienced programmer available: http://castleamber.com/
> Happy Customers: http://castleamber.com/testimonials.html[/color]

John Bokma not following netiquette. Killfiled. If I can find out how
to report this to the relevant ISP I will do so.

Frank

[Mike Schilling]

Re: OT: Quote ? [was: John Bokma harassment]


"John Bokma" <john@castleamb er.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97CF757 E136D6castleamb er@130.133.1.4. ..[color=blue]
> "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@me tagnostic.REMOV E-THIS.org> wrote:
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>> [apologies to the whole flaming crowd for sending this to the whole
>> flaming crowd...]
>>
>> Geoffrey Summerhayes wrote:
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>>> After you kill Navarth, will it be nothing but gruff and deedle
>>> with a little wobbly to fill in the chinks?[/color]
>>
>> Where does that come from ? It sounds like a quote, and Navarth is a
>> Jack Vance name (and /what/ a character), but I don't remember the
>> rest of it occurring in Vance.[/color]
>
> Navarth is very present in "the palace of dreams" (Demon princes series)[/color]

Nitpick: _The Palace of Love_

[John Bokma]

Re: OT: Quote ? [was: John Bokma harassment]

"Mike Schilling" <mscottschillin g@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
> "John Bokma" <john@castleamb er.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns97CF757 E136D6castleamb er@130.133.1.4. ..[color=green]
>> "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@me tagnostic.REMOV E-THIS.org> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> [apologies to the whole flaming crowd for sending this to the whole
>>> flaming crowd...]
>>>
>>> Geoffrey Summerhayes wrote:
>>>
>>>> After you kill Navarth, will it be nothing but gruff and deedle
>>>> with a little wobbly to fill in the chinks?
>>>
>>> Where does that come from ? It sounds like a quote, and Navarth is
>>> a Jack Vance name (and /what/ a character), but I don't remember the
>>> rest of it occurring in Vance.[/color]
>>
>> Navarth is very present in "the palace of dreams" (Demon princes
>> series)[/color]
>
> Nitpick: _The Palace of Love_[/color]

Aargh! The only excuse I can give for that huge mistake is that I am
currently reading "In the net of dreams" :-(

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[Mike Schilling]

Re: OT: Quote ? [was: John Bokma harassment]


"John Bokma" <john@castleamb er.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97CFA25 45F010castleamb er@130.133.1.4. ..[color=blue]
> "Mike Schilling" <mscottschillin g@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>> "John Bokma" <john@castleamb er.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns97CF757 E136D6castleamb er@130.133.1.4. ..[color=darkred]
>>> "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@me tagnostic.REMOV E-THIS.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [apologies to the whole flaming crowd for sending this to the whole
>>>> flaming crowd...]
>>>>
>>>> Geoffrey Summerhayes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> After you kill Navarth, will it be nothing but gruff and deedle
>>>>> with a little wobbly to fill in the chinks?
>>>>
>>>> Where does that come from ? It sounds like a quote, and Navarth is
>>>> a Jack Vance name (and /what/ a character), but I don't remember the
>>>> rest of it occurring in Vance.
>>>
>>> Navarth is very present in "the palace of dreams" (Demon princes
>>> series)[/color]
>>
>> Nitpick: _The Palace of Love_[/color]
>
> Aargh! The only excuse I can give for that huge mistake is that I am
> currently reading "In the net of dreams" :-([/color]

You have another excuse in the last Demon Princes title: _The Book of
Dreams_.

[P.L.Hayes]

Re: John Bokma harassment

"Mumia W." <mumia.w.18.spa m+fbi.gov@earth link.net> writes:
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> Mitch wrote:[color=green]
>> John Bokma wrote:
>> [...][color=darkred]
>>> You're mistaken. All you need to do is report it. After some time
>>> Xah will either walk in line with the rest of the world, or has
>>> found somewhere else to yell. As long as it's not my back garden
>>> and not around 4AM, I am ok with it.
>>>[/color]
>> Walk in line with the rest of the world? Pah.
>> This is no-ones back garden.[/color]
>
> But it is a place where John Bokma can engage in a little power play.
>
> Notice how John Bokma pretends to own these newsgroups. In every
> analogy, Bokma uses "ownership" concepts to support his harassment of
> Xah.
>
> John Bokma conceptualizes these newsgroups as something that he
> dominates. Without other people to recognize his power, it's empty, so
> he bashes and then trashes Xah, and in doing so, proves that he is
> dominant here.
>
> Don't let it happen. Write the abuse address at Dreamhost, and try to
> help Xah out.[/color]

I agree. I have already written to Dreamhost and I hope more people
will do so. I have found some of what has been posted here quite
astonishing and the actions of certain people to be reprehensible: by
far the most serious violation of netiquette I see here is this
thoroughly wrong-headed campaign to try to censor Xah by appealing to
his service provider. In my opinion it is that, not anything Xah has
done, which comes any where near deserving any sort of termination of
access to the Internet. Since Xah's website is hosted by Dreamhost,
the unwarranted censorship will be compounded by an act of gratuitous
vandalism, potentially depriving people of useful resources:

http://online.redwoods.cc.ca.us/instruct/darnold/CalcProj/Index.htm

Paul.

[Mike Schilling]

Re: John Bokma harassment


"P.L.Hayes" <paul@wolfbone. ath.cx> wrote in message
news:87slmwbhx5 .fsf@wolfbone.a th.cx...[color=blue]
>
> I agree. I have already written to Dreamhost and I hope more people
> will do so. I have found some of what has been posted here quite
> astonishing and the actions of certain people to be reprehensible: by
> far the most serious violation of netiquette I see here is this
> thoroughly wrong-headed campaign to try to censor Xah by appealing to
> his service provider.[/color]

No one that I know of is trying to censor Xah. It's the form his postings
take that cause problems, not the content.
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> In my opinion it is that, not anything Xah has
> done, which comes any where near deserving any sort of termination of
> access to the Internet.[/color]

Bringing facts to their attention? If Dreamhost has given him notice of
termination, it's for violating their policies, not because people have told
them "I don't like him".
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> Since Xah's website is hosted by Dreamhost,
> the unwarranted censorship will be compounded by an act of gratuitous
> vandalism, potentially depriving people of useful resources:[/color]

He's free to find another ISP and *not* violate their rules.

[Steve Holden]

Re: John Bokma harassment

John Bokma wrote:[color=blue]
> Eli Gottlieb <eligottlieb@gm ail.com> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>Who reads blogs? They're well known for housing crackpots far worse
>>than Xah, and I estimate he doesn't want to associate himself with that
>>sort.[/color]
>
>
> Yup, he seems to be quite happy as a Usenet Kook
>[/color]
An area in which you appear to be pretty expert.

regards
Steve
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