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[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: Browser survey

Travis Newbury wrote:

On Jul 3, 4:14 pm, "Red E. Kilowatt" <SPAMT...@aww-faq.orgwrote:

> A US automaker is a very bad example of a business catering to its
>customer's needs/desires.

>
I completely disagree! The fact that they do cater to customers is
proven by what they offer as their product. American's asked for
SUVs, and they got SUVs. The american automakers give the public
exaclty what they ask for. And present gas prices show the need to be
careful what you ask for.
>

If that were really the case, they wouldn't be in such dire straits -
and the overseas market making such big inroads.

It reminds me of the time back after WW II. Volkswagen tried to sell
their design of the Beetle to Ford. Ford wasn't interested - the
already had a "family car" on the drawing board, and didn't think the
Beetle would sell.

Of course, we all know how big the VW Beetle got back in the 50's and
60's. For you young'uns, they were all over the place. Along with
that, VW campers became somewhat of a cult item.

And Ford's great family car? The Edsel...

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[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: Browser survey

Red E. Kilowatt wrote:

Travis Newbury <TravisNewbury@ hotmail.comwrot e in message:
d07423e5-453a-4549-a17b-69c4ec219b8b...l egroups.com,
>

>On Jul 3, 4:14 pm, "Red E. Kilowatt" <SPAMT...@aww-faq.orgwrote:

>> A US automaker is a very bad example of a business catering to its
>>customer's needs/desires.

>I completely disagree! The fact that they do cater to customers is
>proven by what they offer as their product. American's asked for
>SUVs, and they got SUVs. The american automakers give the public
>exaclty what they ask for. And present gas prices show the need to be
>careful what you ask for.

>
Yes, but the US automakers completely ignored the predictable
consequences of rising oil prices on their future sales of gas guzzling
SUVs. They never put any real effort into making their SUVs more
fuel-efficient, which is why they continued to lose market share to
imports prior to the runup in oil prices.
>

True. And never mind the fact SUV's and other large vehicles are much
more profitable to the car manufacturers than small cars are...

Despite all the hipe, it really doesn't cost *that* much more to build
an SUV than a subcompact. Some more, I agree. But not the difference
they are (were) charging.

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[William Gill]

Re: Browser survey

Jerry Stuckle wrote:

>And Kenedy was assassinated by the Mafia... You do know that is just
>an urban legend right?
>http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp
>>

>
No, Kennedy was assassinated by Johnson :-)
>

Lyndon Baines or Lady Bird?

[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: Browser survey

William Gill wrote:

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>

>>And Kenedy was assassinated by the Mafia... You do know that is just
>>an urban legend right?
>>http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp
>>>

>>
>No, Kennedy was assassinated by Johnson :-)
>>

>
Lyndon Baines or Lady Bird?
>

Walter :-)

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[William Gill]

Re: Browser survey

Red E. Kilowatt wrote:

Their problem has always been that they are too slow to respond to
changing tastes and market conditions.

I'm sure that is at least one of their problems, but when design to
production typically takes 5 years it's hard to keep ahead of shorter
market vacillations. Of course there are those who say the automakers
should have had the foresight to not offer what people want, and instead
only offer what they (the automakers) knew their customer should have
wanted. I can't tell you how many times I have told my customers I
wouldn't accept their money because they wanted a fixed layout for their
website instead of a fluid one. (of course my design to production cycle
is a little less than 5 years) When someone in any industry guesses
right what the market is going to do, they are a genius, when they miss
the mark we all say they should have seen it coming.

Don't get me wrong, when large corporations frequently look at the short
term at the expense of the long term. A board frequently looks at the
impact on shares and therefore the shareholders who may fire them,
instead of the (long term) impact on the business. The logic being, if
I piss off the shareholder and get fired, it doesn't matter (to me) if
the company eventually does well, but if I make the shareholders happy I
may have time to avert the consequences, and even if I don't, I may be
ready to retire by the time they eventually fire me.

[Neredbojias]

Re: Browser survey

On 03 Jul 2008, Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attg lobal.netwrote:

>>Nope, that's the nature of the web. They can RECOMMEND what it looks
>>like, but not CONTROL it.

>>
>Okay, I see where you're coming from. Anyway, I do my best to make my
>recommendation s as controlling as possible but usually within the auspices
>of the fluid concept.
>>

>
Fluid is good. But anyone who thinks they can control the user's
browser is deluding himself. That's the nature of HTML - it suggests a
layout, but the user has final control.
>
OTOH, PDF's give you absolute control over the layout.

I can't stand pdf's -(possibly for the very reason you state.)

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[Matt Probert]

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Travis Newbury <TravisNewbury@ hotmail.comwrot e:

>On Jul 3, 1:37=A0pm, Neredbojias <me@http://www.neredbojias .net/_eml/
>fliam.phpwrote :

>I was gonna say, "Cut it out!"

>
>And you wold have won the best comeback award if there was a
>competition between the two of you.

Oh that just sucks!

Matt


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[Ed Jay]

Re: Browser survey

(Matt Probert) wrote:

>Travis Newbury <TravisNewbury@ hotmail.comwrot e:
>

>>On Jul 3, 1:37=A0pm, Neredbojias <me@http://www.neredbojias .net/_eml/
>>fliam.phpwrot e:

>>I was gonna say, "Cut it out!"

>>
>>And you wold have won the best comeback award if there was a
>>competition between the two of you.

>
>Oh that just sucks!
>

You guys are a crack up.

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[nully]

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"Scott Bryce" <sbryce@scottbr yce.comwrote in message
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Travis Newbury wrote:

>The american automakers give the public exactly what they ask for.

>
Which is why the Corolla is the best selling car in the world.

Technically correct, but a classic example of stats not telling the whole
truth. The Corolla has been sold for longer than nearly all 'mainstream'
vehicles (I'm counting designs like the 911 and Landy Defender's out), has
been sold in more markets, and has been through more incarnations than
Doctor Who. A more sensible calculation would be Cars Sold divided by
Potential Customers divided by (a given time period). Personally, I dont
think that the Corolla would figure so well using that formula, and cars
like the Model T, Beetle, 2CV, etc. would come back toward the top.

[Travis Newbury]

Re: Browser survey

On Jul 4, 12:24 am, William Gill <nore...@exampl e.comwrote:

Jerry Stuckle wrote:

And Kenedy was assassinated by the Mafia...  You do know that is just
an urban legend right?  
>http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp

>

No, Kennedy was assassinated by Johnson :-)

>
Lyndon Baines or Lady Bird?

Magic

[Travis Newbury]

Re: Browser survey

On Jul 4, 12:05 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attg lobal.netwrote:

Of course, we all know how big the VW Beetle got back in the 50's and
60's.  For you young'uns, they were all over the place.  Along with
that, VW campers became somewhat of a cult item.

I had a blue bug in 75. Best car I ever owned. (with the exception of
the heater which was non existent in Bugs...)

[Travis Newbury]

Re: Browser survey

On Jul 4, 12:06 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attg lobal.netwrote:

OTOH, PDF's give you absolute control over the layout.

Well, unless the user had Acrobat 8 then they can change it all they
like....

[Ed Mullen]

Re: Browser survey

Travis Newbury wrote:

On Jul 4, 12:24 am, William Gill <nore...@exampl e.comwrote:

>Jerry Stuckle wrote:

>>>And Kenedy was assassinated by the Mafia... You do know that is just
>>>an urban legend right?
>>>http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp
>>No, Kennedy was assassinated by Johnson :-)

>Lyndon Baines or Lady Bird?

>
Magic

Howard

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[Matt Probert]

Re: Browser survey

Ed Jay <edMbj@aes-intl.comwrote:

>(Matt Probert) wrote:
>

>>Travis Newbury <TravisNewbury@ hotmail.comwrot e:
>>

>>>On Jul 3, 1:37=A0pm, Neredbojias <me@http://www.neredbojias .net/_eml/
>>>fliam.phpwro te:
>>>I was gonna say, "Cut it out!"
>>>
>>>And you wold have won the best comeback award if there was a
>>>competitio n between the two of you.

>>
>>Oh that just sucks!
>>

>You guys are a crack up.

I really worried no one would get it. PHEW!

Matt

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[William Gill]

Re: Browser survey

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

No they just quietly frustrated, and do not return.

I find non-intuitive navigation of a sight the main reason for never
coming back. I, and I suspect many others, will tolerate breaches of
style and layout as long as I can find what I came for, but if it's too
much work, or too confusing, to find things I'm gone. Then again, I'm a
big believer that content is king (or Queen, or whatever).