Prevent IE users from copying or seeing copy toolbar?

[Grant Smith - eNVENT Technologies]

In response to Els:

Els wrote:
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> Just by your message, the answer could be
> <meta http-equiv="imagetoo lbar" content="no">
>
> But your subject line says "Prevent IE users from copying", and[/color]
that's[color=blue]
> just not gonna happen :-)
>
> --
> Els http://locusmeus.com/
> Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
> - Renato Russo -
> Now playing: Guns N' Roses - Perfect Crime[/color]

You have a very good point. The reason my subject is what it is is the
fact that I did a reply and didn't change the subject line from its
default.

I'm sure that we all know that a view source will get them whatever
they want. I just wanted to get rid of that annoying bar. ;-)

Thanks again,

Grant Smith - eNVENT Technologies (www.envent-tech.com)

[Mark Parnell]

Re: In response to Els:

Previously in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html, Grant Smith - eNVENT
Technologies <grant.smith@en vent-tech.com> said:
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> I'm sure that we all know that a view source will get them whatever
> they want. I just wanted to get rid of that annoying bar. ;-)[/color]

You may find it annoying, but how do you know it annoys your users? If
it annoys you, use a real browser, or disable the toolbar in *your* IE
by going to Tools>Internet Options>Advance d and untick "Enable Image
Toolbar (requires restart)" (under Multimedia).

--
Mark Parnell

http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

[Grant Smith - eNVENT Technologies]

Re: In response to Els:

Mark Parnell wrote:[color=blue]
>
> You may find it annoying, but how do you know it annoys your users?[/color]
If[color=blue]
> it annoys you, use a real browser, or disable the toolbar in *your*[/color]
IE[color=blue]
> by going to Tools>Internet Options>Advance d and untick "Enable Image
> Toolbar (requires restart)" (under Multimedia).
>[/color]
First off, I do use a 'real' browser: Mozilla Firefox.

Secondly, my users shouldn't wish to steal my images in the first
place, so they shouldn't care whether or not that bar is there.

Any more questions?

Thanks,

Grant Smith - eNVENT Technologies (www.envent-tech.com)

[Mark Parnell]

Re: In response to Els:

Previously in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html, Grant Smith - eNVENT
Technologies <grant.smith@en vent-tech.com> said:
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> First off, I do use a 'real' browser: Mozilla Firefox.[/color]

Then you don't see that "annoying" toolbar. Problem solved.
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> Secondly, my users shouldn't wish to steal my images in the first
> place,[/color]

Agreed.
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> so they shouldn't care whether or not that bar is there.[/color]

Compiler error: line 13; Conclusion based on flimsy assumptions instead
of facts.
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> Any more questions?[/color]

Yes - what makes you think that the only reason a user would want the
image toolbar there is to steal your images? What makes you think that
disabling the image toolbar is going to discourage anyone from taking
your images, since there are numerous other ways of them achieving that?
What makes you think that screwing around with the expected behaviour of
your visitor's browser is a good way to get them to come back?

If you want to stop anyone from stealing your images, you're going to
have to do a lot better than disabling a toolbar.

--
Mark Parnell

http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

[Grant Smith - eNVENT Technologies]

Re: In response to Els:

See my 'Reply to Els'.

And by the way, if someone isn't out to save images from my website,
why would the care that the toolbar is there? All it does is allow for
quick save or print of the image in question. It isn't an assumption,
it is a fact.

By the way, maybe you should spend less time on meaningless arguments
and more time on your site.

Thank you,

Grant Smith - eNVENT Technologies (www.envent-tech.com)

[Peter1968]

Re: In response to Els:

Grant Smith - eNVENT Technologies wrote:[color=blue]
> Els wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>Just by your message, the answer could be
>><meta http-equiv="imagetoo lbar" content="no">
>>
>>But your subject line says "Prevent IE users from copying", and[/color]
>
> that's
>[color=green]
>>just not gonna happen :-)
>>
>>--
>>Els http://locusmeus.com/
>>Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
>> - Renato Russo -
>>Now playing: Guns N' Roses - Perfect Crime[/color]
>
>
> You have a very good point. The reason my subject is what it is is the
> fact that I did a reply and didn't change the subject line from its
> default.
>
> I'm sure that we all know that a view source will get them whatever
> they want. I just wanted to get rid of that annoying bar. ;-)[/color]

So will a leisurely stroll through their cache, which makes any scheme
to stop people from stealing your images fraught with difficulties.

[me]

Re: In response to Els:

"Peter1968" <esmari@nonsens ebigpond.net.au > wrote in message
news:p1r0e.9534 $C7.1740@news-server.bigpond. net.au...[color=blue]
> Grant Smith - eNVENT Technologies wrote:[color=green]
> > Els wrote:
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> >>Just by your message, the answer could be
> >><meta http-equiv="imagetoo lbar" content="no">
> >>
> >>But your subject line says "Prevent IE users from copying", and[/color]
> >
> > that's
> >[color=darkred]
> >>just not gonna happen :-)
> >>
> >>--
> >>Els http://locusmeus.com/
> >>Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
> >> - Renato Russo -
> >>Now playing: Guns N' Roses - Perfect Crime[/color]
> >
> >
> > You have a very good point. The reason my subject is what it is is the
> > fact that I did a reply and didn't change the subject line from its
> > default.
> >
> > I'm sure that we all know that a view source will get them whatever
> > they want. I just wanted to get rid of that annoying bar. ;-)[/color]
>
> So will a leisurely stroll through their cache, which makes any scheme
> to stop people from stealing your images fraught with difficulties.[/color]

Possibly, but IMO most users (especially novice thieves) don't think of the
cache as a place to copy images from, in addition Windows displays a warning
when this is attempted. The cache may well contain thousands of files and
the thief (we are talking about punishable criminal behavior here in case
anyone forgot) wishes to steal may have a non-obvious cryptic name. If the
designer used JS to open the image in a chromeless window the user won't
know the name of the file. I don't say any of this will prevent a determined
thief from committing a crime but IMO that's no reason to capitulate. As a
final solution place the following in the head of your document to prevent
caching of image(s):
Signed,
me

<meta name="cache-control" content="no-cache">

[me]

Re: In response to Els:

"Grant Smith - eNVENT Technologies" <grant.smith@en vent-tech.com> wrote in
message news:1111631483 .886569.176970@ z14g2000cwz.goo glegroups.com.. .[color=blue]
> See my 'Reply to Els'.
>
> And by the way, if someone isn't out to save images from my website,
> why would the care that the toolbar is there? All it does is allow for
> quick save or print of the image in question. It isn't an assumption,
> it is a fact.
>
> By the way, maybe you should spend less time on meaningless arguments
> and more time on your site.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Grant Smith - eNVENT Technologies (www.envent-tech.com)[/color]

My name is *me* and I officially endorse Mr. Grant's message.
Signed,
me

[Michael Rozdoba]

Re: In response to Els:

me wrote:
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> Possibly, but IMO most users (especially novice thieves) don't think of the
> cache as a place to copy images from, in addition Windows displays a warning
> when this is attempted. The cache may well contain thousands of files and
> the thief (we are talking about punishable criminal behavior here in case
> anyone forgot)[/color]

In which countries is the intention to infringe copyright a criminal act?

--
Michael
m r o z a t u k g a t e w a y d o t n e t

[me]

Re: In response to Els:

"Michael Rozdoba" <mroz@nowhere.i nvalid> wrote in message
news:42482d21$0 $8756$db0fefd9@ news.zen.co.uk. ..[color=blue]
> me wrote:
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> > Possibly, but IMO most users (especially novice thieves) don't think of[/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green]
> > cache as a place to copy images from, in addition Windows displays a[/color][/color]
warning[color=blue][color=green]
> > when this is attempted. The cache may well contain thousands of files[/color][/color]
and[color=blue][color=green]
> > the thief (we are talking about punishable criminal behavior here in[/color][/color]
case[color=blue][color=green]
> > anyone forgot)[/color]
>
> In which countries is the intention to infringe copyright a criminal act?
>
> --
> Michael[/color]

The act of copying is a violation in the US as evidenced by the recent spate
of lawsuits by the record industry against people who download music files.
Signed,
me

[Michael Rozdoba]

Re: In response to Els:

me wrote:[color=blue]
> "Michael Rozdoba" <mroz@nowhere.i nvalid> wrote in message
> news:42482d21$0 $8756$db0fefd9@ news.zen.co.uk. ..[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> In which countries is the intention to infringe copyright a
>> criminal act?[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> The act of copying is a violation in the US as evidenced by the
> recent spate of lawsuits by the record industry against people who
> download music files.[/color]

That would make copyright violation a civil matter then, not criminal.
In any case, the act of saving an image out of a browser is unlikely to
constitute a copyright violation in & of itself.

--
Michael
m r o z a t u k g a t e w a y d o t n e t

[me]

Re: In response to Els:

"Michael Rozdoba" <mroz@nowhere.i nvalid> wrote in message
news:424b098f$0 $5474$da0feed9@ news.zen.co.uk. ..[color=blue]
> me wrote:[color=green]
> > "Michael Rozdoba" <mroz@nowhere.i nvalid> wrote in message
> > news:42482d21$0 $8756$db0fefd9@ news.zen.co.uk. ..[/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >> In which countries is the intention to infringe copyright a
> >> criminal act?[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
> > The act of copying is a violation in the US as evidenced by the
> > recent spate of lawsuits by the record industry against people who
> > download music files.[/color]
>
> That would make copyright violation a civil matter then, not criminal.[/color]

That depends, most (all?) movies warn viewers that it is criminal offense to
reproduce their copyright protected property.
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> In any case, the act of saving an image out of a browser is unlikely to
> constitute a copyright violation in & of itself.[/color]

Possibly not under those specific circumstances but only if the owner of the
IP never finds out.
Signed,
me

[Grant Smith - eNVENT Technologies]

Re: In response to Els:

I think the true point here is that it is unethical to 'steal' other
peoples stuff, whether it is criminal or not, and that taking measures
to make it a little tougher on people is not a bad thing.

I am more then willing to share, but drop me an email and ask, don't
just take stuff that I worked my ass off to produce. That is the point.

Grant Smith
eNVENT Technologies - www.envent-tech.com