Prevent IE users from copying or seeing copy toolbar?

[me]

How do I prevent the save/print/email/mypictures toolbar from popping up
when IE users place their cursor over photos at my website? Thank you in
advance for your help.
Signed,
me

[Chris Morris]

Re: Prevent IE users from copying or seeing copy toolbar?

"me" <anonymous@_.co m> writes:[color=blue]
> How do I prevent the save/print/email/mypictures toolbar from popping up
> when IE users place their cursor over photos at my website? Thank you in
> advance for your help.[/color]

Assuming you use PHP (if not, translate to another language), place
this at the top of your page.

<?php
if (ereg("IE",$_SE RVER['USER_AGENT'])) {
exit;
}
?>

Not 100% reliable, but it will stop the vast majority of IE users
copying your images.

Admittedly, it also has the side effect of stopping IE users from
*seeing* your image, but that's the price you pay.

Other approaches include:
- going into IE users' houses and stealing all their PrintScrn
keys. Best break into their offices as well, just in case.
- not putting the image on the web in the first place.
- getting a really big copyright lawyer

The group FAQ has some more hints for you.

--
Chris

[Steve Pugh]

Re: Prevent IE users from copying or seeing copy toolbar?

"me" <anonymous@_.co m> wrote:
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>How do I prevent the save/print/email/mypictures toolbar from popping up
>when IE users place their cursor over photos at my website? T[/color]

Your users may be annoyed if part of the standard functionality of
their browser was switched off with no warning. They can always
disable the feature themselves if they don't want to use it.

But if you've checked with all your users and they do want you to
switch this function off for them on your site then have a look at

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/using/howto/customizing/imgtoolbar.mspx

bottom of the page for HTML solutions - note that the meta tag is
technically valid (but bogus as there is no HTTP header imagetoolbar
for this to be an equivalent of, but the galleryimg attribute is
invalid unless you use a custom DTD.

Steve

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I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - The Doctor

Steve Pugh <steve@pugh.net > <http://steve.pugh.net/>

[Stan Brown]

Re: Prevent IE users from copying or seeing copy toolbar?

"me" wrote in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html:[color=blue]
>How do I prevent the save/print/email/mypictures toolbar from popping up
>when IE users place their cursor over photos at my website?[/color]

If you don't want your content copied, don't put it on the Web.

Period.

--

Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA

http://OakRoadSystems.com/

[Jim Moe]

[OT] Re: Prevent IE users from copying or seeing copy toolbar?

Steve Pugh wrote:[color=blue]
> "My theories appal you, my heresies outrage you,
>[/color]
Is the misspelling, "appal" instead of "appall," part of the quote?

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[C A Upsdell]

Re: Prevent IE users from copying or seeing copy toolbar?

me wrote:[color=blue]
> How do I prevent the save/print/email/mypictures toolbar from popping up
> when IE users place their cursor over photos at my website? Thank you in
> advance for your help.[/color]

<meta http-equiv="imagetoo lbar" content="no">

[Steve Pugh]

Re: [OT] Re: Prevent IE users from copying or seeing copy toolbar?

Jim Moe <jmm-list.AXSPAMGN@s ohnen-moe.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>Steve Pugh wrote:[color=green]
>> "My theories appal you, my heresies outrage you,
>>[/color]
> Is the misspelling, "appal" instead of "appall," part of the quote?[/color]

It's not a mistake. Appal is an alternative spelling of appall and is
in fact the more common way of spelling it here in Britain.

Steve

--
"My theories appal you, my heresies outrage you,
I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - The Doctor

Steve Pugh <steve@pugh.net > <http://steve.pugh.net/>

[Nick Theodorakis]

Re: [OT] Re: Prevent IE users from copying or seeing copy toolbar?

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:08:14 +0000, Steve Pugh <steve@pugh.net > wrote:
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>Jim Moe <jmm-list.AXSPAMGN@s ohnen-moe.com> wrote:[color=green]
>>Steve Pugh wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "My theories appal you, my heresies outrage you,
>>>[/color]
>> Is the misspelling, "appal" instead of "appall," part of the quote?[/color]
>
>It's not a mistake. Appal is an alternative spelling of appall and is
>in fact the more common way of spelling it here in Britain.[/color]

Or on Gallifrey?

Nick

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contact form:

http://theodorakis.net/contact.html

[Lachlan Hunt]

Re: Prevent IE users from copying or seeing copy toolbar?

me wrote:[color=blue]
> How do I prevent the save/print/email/mypictures toolbar from popping up
> when IE users place their cursor over photos at my website?[/color]

Why is it that so many authors want to take control over a user's user
agent settings, particularly with implementation specific user agent
features, just because they do not like the feature themselves? Have
you ever stopped to consider that a user may find the feature useful,
and they would be annoyed if it did not work? Conversely, have you ever
considered that if a user didn't want the feature, the can disable it
themselves?

The same is true for other features like AutoComplete, Google's new
AutoLink and Smart Tags (although, they were never successful on the web
anyway) and any other implementation specific user agent feature that
authors have (and still do) request to be able to disable. The simple
answer is that they cannot and should not be disabled using valid HTML.

(Note: There are proprietary extensions for an author to disable
autocomplete and smart tags, but keep in mind that any user agent that
obeys such directives from the author are no longer acting on behalf of
the user.)

--
Lachlan Hunt

http://lachy.id.au/

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[Jim Moe]

Re: [OT] Re: Prevent IE users from copying or seeing copy toolbar?

Steve Pugh wrote:[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>"My theories appal you, my heresies outrage you,[/color]
>>
>> Is the misspelling, "appal" instead of "appall," part of the quote?[/color]
>
> It's not a mistake. Appal is an alternative spelling of appall and is
> in fact the more common way of spelling it here in Britain.
>[/color]
Ah. Thanks.

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[Lachlan Hunt]

Re: Prevent IE users from copying or seeing copy toolbar?

C A Upsdell > wrote:[color=blue]
> me wrote:[color=green]
>> How do I prevent the save/print/email/mypictures toolbar from popping up...[/color]
>
> <meta http-equiv="imagetoo lbar" content="no">[/color]

Don't use that. You, as an author, have absolutely no right to disable
a user's user agent feature, especially one like the image toolbar which
has absolutely no effect on the accessibility or usability of you site.
(Well, it shouldn't). The image toolbar is an implementation specific
user agent feature, and as such the choice of using it or not lies with
the *user*. User agents that obey such directives to disable certain
features are acting on behalf of the author, rather than the user. Keep
in mind that it is a *user agent*, not an author agent!

--
Lachlan Hunt

http://lachy.id.au/

http://GetFirefox.com/ Rediscover the Web
http://GetThunderbird.com/ Reclaim your Inbox

[C A Upsdell]

Re: Prevent IE users from copying or seeing copy toolbar?

Lachlan Hunt wrote:[color=blue]
> C A Upsdell > wrote:
>[color=green]
>> me wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> How do I prevent the save/print/email/mypictures toolbar from popping
>>> up...[/color]
>>
>>
>> <meta http-equiv="imagetoo lbar" content="no">[/color]
>
>
> Don't use that. You, as an author, have absolutely no right to disable
> a user's user agent feature, especially one like the image toolbar which
> has absolutely no effect on the accessibility or usability of you site.
> (Well, it shouldn't). The image toolbar is an implementation specific
> user agent feature, and as such the choice of using it or not lies with
> the *user*. User agents that obey such directives to disable certain
> features are acting on behalf of the author, rather than the user. Keep
> in mind that it is a *user agent*, not an author agent![/color]

Bullshit. I am normally in favour of letting the user have control over
their browser, but the image toolbar is an exception. In the first
place, for MOST pages there is no reasonable likelihood that users would
want to use this toolbar's functions, and for such sites the toolbar is
EXTREMELY intrusive. In the second place, for most pages, in the very
rare instances where a user might want to carry out such functions,
there are other ways of doing them. And in the third place, if there is
a page in which there is a reasonable likelihood that the user would
want to use the toolbar, it is easy to omit the meta tag for that page.

The bottom line on this is that IE (the only browser to support such a
toolbar) is too stupid to tell whether or not a given image should have
such a toolbar, and therefore it is reasonable for the designer to help
IE out by supplying the intelligence that IE lacks.

[me]

Re: Prevent IE users from copying or seeing copy toolbar?

"Steve Pugh" <steve@pugh.net > wrote in message
news:t68921dcj6 hge4kui7j0fsvif 9lma7edr1@4ax.c om...[color=blue]
> "me" <anonymous@_.co m> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >How do I prevent the save/print/email/mypictures toolbar from popping up
> >when IE users place their cursor over photos at my website? T[/color]
>
> Your users may be annoyed if part of the standard functionality of
> their browser was switched off with no warning. They can always
> disable the feature themselves if they don't want to use it.
>
> But if you've checked with all your users and they do want you to
> switch this function off for them on your site then have a look at
>[/color]
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/...mgtoolbar.mspx[color=blue]
> bottom of the page for HTML solutions - note that the meta tag is
> technically valid (but bogus as there is no HTTP header imagetoolbar
> for this to be an equivalent of, but the galleryimg attribute is
> invalid unless you use a custom DTD.
>
> Steve
>
> --
> "My theories appal you, my heresies outrage you,
> I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - The Doctor
>
> Steve Pugh <steve@pugh.net > <http://steve.pugh.net/>[/color]

Thank you Steve. The link you provided was exactly what I was looking for.
I'm afraid I will not be able ask every visitor to my site if they object to
my use of this code. I wonder if in future I might receive an email that
says something like:

Dear Website Owner:
How dare you disable my image toolbar thereby making it less convenient for
me to steal your intellectual property.

I'm sure I'd find such a complain very amusing indeed! Thanks again for your
help Steve.
Signed,
me

[Harlan Messinger]

Re: Prevent IE users from copying or seeing copy toolbar?

me wrote:
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> Thank you Steve. The link you provided was exactly what I was looking for.
> I'm afraid I will not be able ask every visitor to my site if they object to
> my use of this code. I wonder if in future I might receive an email that
> says something like:
>
> Dear Website Owner:
> How dare you disable my image toolbar thereby making it less convenient for
> me to steal your intellectual property.[/color]

This doesn't prevent them from stealing your intellectual property. All
they have to do is right-click on your images and select Save Image, or
press the PrtSc button and paste the clipboard into a graphics program,
or look in the page's source code to find the image's URL and then
request the image directly, or switch to another browser.

You are faced with the same reality that faces a publisher of print
material who worries about people photocopying or scanning his works:
you don't have that degree of control. All you can do is make your
copyright clear and then keep an eye out for violations.

[Harlan Messinger]

Re: Prevent IE users from copying or seeing copy toolbar?

C A Upsdell > wrote:[color=blue]
>
> Bullshit. I am normally in favour of letting the user have control over
> their browser, but the image toolbar is an exception. In the first
> place, for MOST pages there is no reasonable likelihood that users would
> want to use this toolbar's functions, and for such sites the toolbar is
> EXTREMELY intrusive.[/color]

Yes, it is, which is why, when I installed the first version of IE that
had this toolbar and it annoyed the hell out of me, I went into Options
and turned it off so it doesn't bother me on *any* site. If I don't like
the toolbar, but I didn't know to turn it off myself, how would it
benefit me for one web site provider per hundred or per thousand to take
it upon it himself to do it for me?
[color=blue]
> In the second place, for most pages, in the very
> rare instances where a user might want to carry out such functions,
> there are other ways of doing them.[/color]

If I were a person who *liked* using the toolbar for these functions,
what would be the point of one particular site's owner deciding that on
his site I'll do it a different way?
[color=blue]
> And in the third place, if there is
> a page in which there is a reasonable likelihood that the user would
> want to use the toolbar, it is easy to omit the meta tag for that page.
>
> The bottom line on this is that IE (the only browser to support such a
> toolbar) is too stupid to tell whether or not a given image should have
> such a toolbar,[/color]

This makes no sense. The toolbar is a *user* tool for users who want to
use it. Whether the a particular user would want to use the toolbar on
one image or another is not an inherent property of the image.