Mars Rover Controlled By Java

**Andrew Thompson** · Jul 17 '05, 10:35 PM

Re: Mars Rover Not Responding

"Joe "Nuke Me Xemu" Foster" <joe@bftsi0.UUC P> wrote in message
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| "Michael N. Christoff" <mchristoff@sym patico.caREMOVE THIS> wrote in
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|
| > "This is a serious problem. This is an extremely serious anomaly," said
Pete
| > Theisinger Spirit project manager.
| > "There is no single fault that explains all the observables."
| >
| > "...but Spirit was only transmitting "pseudo-noise", a random series of
| > zeroes and ones in binary code and not anything the scientists could
| > decipher."
| >
| >
| > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3421071.stm
|
| Are they sure it's not just Sun's JVM taking a break to do a GC?

Unless, of course, the software was written
in something like C++ (as has been suggested[?],
and is more likely).

In that case, would it be more likely caused by,
"dangling pointers to objects in deleted heaps"
perhaps? ;-)

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**Uncle Al** · Jul 17 '05, 10:35 PM

Re: Mars Rover Not Responding

"Michael N. Christoff" wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "This is a serious problem. This is an extremely serious anomaly," said Pete
> Theisinger Spirit project manager.
> "There is no single fault that explains all the observables."
>
> "...but Spirit was only transmitting "pseudo-noise", a random series of
> zeroes and ones in binary code and not anything the scientists could
> decipher."
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3421071.stm[/color]

NASA is renowned for its antenna failures - the Hubble space
telescope, Ulysses at Jupiter, and now their little radio-controlled
go-cart on Mars.

Uncle Al eagerly anticipates a Hummer-2 advert beginning with the $240
million pigmy brain fart that couldn't call home. Anticipating that
its working life would be less than 90 days because of dust
accumulating on its solar panels is also precious. Hey NASA, "blow
job."

One presumes the same engineering glitch is in the other rover.

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**Uncle Al** · Jul 17 '05, 10:35 PM

Re: Mars Rover Not Responding

"Michael N. Christoff" wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "This is a serious problem. This is an extremely serious anomaly," said Pete
> Theisinger Spirit project manager.
> "There is no single fault that explains all the observables."
>
> "...but Spirit was only transmitting "pseudo-noise", a random series of
> zeroes and ones in binary code and not anything the scientists could
> decipher."
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3421071.stm[/color]

NASA is renowned for its antenna failures - the Hubble space
telescope, Ulysses at Jupiter, and now their little radio-controlled
go-cart on Mars.

Uncle Al eagerly anticipates a Hummer-2 advert beginning with the $240
million pigmy brain fart that couldn't call home. Anticipating that
its working life would be less than 90 days because of dust
accumulating on its solar panels is also precious. Hey NASA, "blow
job."

One presumes the same engineering glitch is in the other rover.

--
Uncle Al

404

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/

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**Joe \Nuke Me Xemu\ Foster** · Jul 17 '05, 10:35 PM

Re: Mars Rover Not Responding

"Andrew Thompson" <andrew64@bigNO SPAMpond.com> wrote in message <news:TVYPb.239 87$Wa.16163@new s-server.bigpond. net.au..>.
[color=blue]
> "Joe "Nuke Me Xemu" Foster" <joe@bftsi0.UUC P> wrote in message
> news:1074811925 .53656@news-1.nethere.net.. .[/color]
[color=blue]
> | Are they sure it's not just Sun's JVM taking a break to do a GC?
>
> Unless, of course, the software was written
> in something like C++ (as has been suggested[?],
> and is more likely).[/color]

There are go-to-lunch slow garbage collectors for C++ too, such as
the "managed C++" abomination Microslop is trying to shove through
the ECMA. Apparently nothing is safe from the "embrace and extend"
standards pollution and proprietarizati on strategy.
[color=blue]
> In that case, would it be more likely caused by,
> "dangling pointers to objects in deleted heaps"
> perhaps? ;-)[/color]

That can happen when some chimp-coder can't quite comprehend RAII.
Another common fudgeup is to throw an exception from a destructor.

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**Joe \Nuke Me Xemu\ Foster** · Jul 17 '05, 10:35 PM

Re: Mars Rover Not Responding

"Andrew Thompson" <andrew64@bigNO SPAMpond.com> wrote in message <news:TVYPb.239 87$Wa.16163@new s-server.bigpond. net.au..>.
[color=blue]
> "Joe "Nuke Me Xemu" Foster" <joe@bftsi0.UUC P> wrote in message
> news:1074811925 .53656@news-1.nethere.net.. .[/color]
[color=blue]
> | Are they sure it's not just Sun's JVM taking a break to do a GC?
>
> Unless, of course, the software was written
> in something like C++ (as has been suggested[?],
> and is more likely).[/color]

There are go-to-lunch slow garbage collectors for C++ too, such as
the "managed C++" abomination Microslop is trying to shove through
the ECMA. Apparently nothing is safe from the "embrace and extend"
standards pollution and proprietarizati on strategy.
[color=blue]
> In that case, would it be more likely caused by,
> "dangling pointers to objects in deleted heaps"
> perhaps? ;-)[/color]

That can happen when some chimp-coder can't quite comprehend RAII.
Another common fudgeup is to throw an exception from a destructor.

--
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**Andrew Thompson** · Jul 17 '05, 10:35 PM

Re: Mars Rover Not Responding

"Joe "Nuke Me Xemu" Foster" <joe@bftsi0.UUC P> wrote in message
| "Andrew Thompson" <andrew64@bigNO SPAMpond.com> wrote in message
| > "Joe "Nuke Me Xemu" Foster" <joe@bftsi0.UUC P> wrote in message
|
| > | Are they sure it's not just Sun's JVM taking a break to do a GC?
| >
| > Unless, of course, the software was written
| > in something like C++ (as has been suggested[?],
| > and is more likely).
|
| There are go-to-lunch slow garbage collectors for C++ too, such as
| the "managed C++" abomination Microslop..

LOL - love that one Joe, I'll have to
add it to my list of MafiaSoft, M$,
Windoze and MicroBastard* ..

* Has a particularly Australian flavor.
Aussies enjoy that the second word
does not even derive from a word
that starts with the same/similar
letter. ;-)

--
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* http://www.1point1C.org/ 1.1C - Superluminal!
* http://www.AThompson.info/andrew/ personal site

**Andrew Thompson** · Jul 17 '05, 10:35 PM

Re: Mars Rover Not Responding

"Joe "Nuke Me Xemu" Foster" <joe@bftsi0.UUC P> wrote in message
| "Andrew Thompson" <andrew64@bigNO SPAMpond.com> wrote in message
| > "Joe "Nuke Me Xemu" Foster" <joe@bftsi0.UUC P> wrote in message
|
| > | Are they sure it's not just Sun's JVM taking a break to do a GC?
| >
| > Unless, of course, the software was written
| > in something like C++ (as has been suggested[?],
| > and is more likely).
|
| There are go-to-lunch slow garbage collectors for C++ too, such as
| the "managed C++" abomination Microslop..

LOL - love that one Joe, I'll have to
add it to my list of MafiaSoft, M$,
Windoze and MicroBastard* ..

* Has a particularly Australian flavor.
Aussies enjoy that the second word
does not even derive from a word
that starts with the same/similar
letter. ;-)

--
Andrew Thompson
* http://www.PhySci.org/ PhySci software suite
* http://www.1point1C.org/ 1.1C - Superluminal!
* http://www.AThompson.info/andrew/ personal site

**Rick Osborn** · Jul 17 '05, 10:35 PM

Re: Mars Rover Not Responding

I think they should turn it off and turn it on again.

"Andrew Thompson" <andrew64@bigNO SPAMpond.com> wrote in message news:<TVYPb.239 87$Wa.16163@new s-server.bigpond. net.au>...[color=blue]
> "Joe "Nuke Me Xemu" Foster" <joe@bftsi0.UUC P> wrote in message
> news:1074811925 .53656@news-1.nethere.net.. .
> | "Michael N. Christoff" <mchristoff@sym patico.caREMOVE THIS> wrote in
> message <news:LJXPb.173 71$cQ6.662625@n ews20.bellgloba l.com>...
> |
> | > "This is a serious problem. This is an extremely serious anomaly," said
> Pete
> | > Theisinger Spirit project manager.
> | > "There is no single fault that explains all the observables."
> | >
> | > "...but Spirit was only transmitting "pseudo-noise", a random series of
> | > zeroes and ones in binary code and not anything the scientists could
> | > decipher."
> | >
> | >
> | > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3421071.stm
> |
> | Are they sure it's not just Sun's JVM taking a break to do a GC?
>
> Unless, of course, the software was written
> in something like C++ (as has been suggested[?],
> and is more likely).
>
> In that case, would it be more likely caused by,
> "dangling pointers to objects in deleted heaps"
> perhaps? ;-)[/color]

**Rick Osborn** · Jul 17 '05, 10:35 PM

Re: Mars Rover Not Responding

I think they should turn it off and turn it on again.

"Andrew Thompson" <andrew64@bigNO SPAMpond.com> wrote in message news:<TVYPb.239 87$Wa.16163@new s-server.bigpond. net.au>...[color=blue]
> "Joe "Nuke Me Xemu" Foster" <joe@bftsi0.UUC P> wrote in message
> news:1074811925 .53656@news-1.nethere.net.. .
> | "Michael N. Christoff" <mchristoff@sym patico.caREMOVE THIS> wrote in
> message <news:LJXPb.173 71$cQ6.662625@n ews20.bellgloba l.com>...
> |
> | > "This is a serious problem. This is an extremely serious anomaly," said
> Pete
> | > Theisinger Spirit project manager.
> | > "There is no single fault that explains all the observables."
> | >
> | > "...but Spirit was only transmitting "pseudo-noise", a random series of
> | > zeroes and ones in binary code and not anything the scientists could
> | > decipher."
> | >
> | >
> | > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3421071.stm
> |
> | Are they sure it's not just Sun's JVM taking a break to do a GC?
>
> Unless, of course, the software was written
> in something like C++ (as has been suggested[?],
> and is more likely).
>
> In that case, would it be more likely caused by,
> "dangling pointers to objects in deleted heaps"
> perhaps? ;-)[/color]

**Joe \Nuke Me Xemu\ Foster** · Jul 17 '05, 10:35 PM

Re: Mars Rover Not Responding

"Rick Osborn" <rickandthuy-dc@yahoo.com> wrote in message <news:2793a24f. 0401222152.53cd 6f4a@posting.go ogle.com>...
[color=blue]
> I think they should turn it off and turn it on again.[/color]

They need to reinstall Winblows...

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**Joe \Nuke Me Xemu\ Foster** · Jul 17 '05, 10:35 PM

Re: Mars Rover Not Responding

"Rick Osborn" <rickandthuy-dc@yahoo.com> wrote in message <news:2793a24f. 0401222152.53cd 6f4a@posting.go ogle.com>...
[color=blue]
> I think they should turn it off and turn it on again.[/color]

They need to reinstall Winblows...

--
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WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above They're coming to
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**Tony Hill** · Jul 17 '05, 10:36 PM

Re: Mars Rover Controlled By Java

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:32:55 GMT, "Rod Davison"
<critsys@rogers .remove.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>Actually, academic debate aside, the success of the rover so far is a
>welcome shot in the arm for the space program, especially after the
>shuttle tragedy and previous Mars mission failures. In the cold harsh
>light of the pragmatic dawn, if the rover works to spec, then using java
>was a good decision, if not, then it was a poor decision. To quote the
>scribe: all else is commentary.[/color]

Or perhaps more to the point, not using Java was a good decision!
hint: in case you missed it, the rover doesn't use any Java code, the
Java is all for manipulating the data received back from the Rover.

-------------
Tony Hill
hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca

**Tony Hill** · Jul 17 '05, 10:36 PM

Re: Mars Rover Controlled By Java

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:32:55 GMT, "Rod Davison"
<critsys@rogers .remove.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>Actually, academic debate aside, the success of the rover so far is a
>welcome shot in the arm for the space program, especially after the
>shuttle tragedy and previous Mars mission failures. In the cold harsh
>light of the pragmatic dawn, if the rover works to spec, then using java
>was a good decision, if not, then it was a poor decision. To quote the
>scribe: all else is commentary.[/color]

Or perhaps more to the point, not using Java was a good decision!
hint: in case you missed it, the rover doesn't use any Java code, the
Java is all for manipulating the data received back from the Rover.

-------------
Tony Hill
hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca

**Joe \Nuke Me Xemu\ Foster** · Jul 17 '05, 10:36 PM

Re: Mars Rover Not Responding

"Michael N. Christoff" <mchristoff@sym patico.caREMOVE THIS> wrote in message <news:LJXPb.173 71$cQ6.662625@n ews20.bellgloba l.com>...
[color=blue]
> "This is a serious problem. This is an extremely serious anomaly," said Pete
> Theisinger Spirit project manager.
> "There is no single fault that explains all the observables."
>
> "...but Spirit was only transmitting "pseudo-noise", a random series of
> zeroes and ones in binary code and not anything the scientists could
> decipher."[/color]

"This behavior is by design."

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**Joe \Nuke Me Xemu\ Foster** · Jul 17 '05, 10:36 PM

Re: Mars Rover Not Responding

"Michael N. Christoff" <mchristoff@sym patico.caREMOVE THIS> wrote in message <news:LJXPb.173 71$cQ6.662625@n ews20.bellgloba l.com>...
[color=blue]
> "This is a serious problem. This is an extremely serious anomaly," said Pete
> Theisinger Spirit project manager.
> "There is no single fault that explains all the observables."
>
> "...but Spirit was only transmitting "pseudo-noise", a random series of
> zeroes and ones in binary code and not anything the scientists could
> decipher."[/color]

"This behavior is by design."

--
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