Fixed font sizes

[Steve Pugh]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Pamel" <paul@msn.com > wrote:
[color=blue]
>Thanks to everONE that answered with useful information instead of trying to
>tell me I'm evil because I want to set some text to a fixed size.[/color]

Yawn. You were given useful advice. You can choose to ignore it. That
is your right. Don't blame us for giving you advice you don't like. We
didn't do it because we hate you, we did it because we believe, based
on our experience and knowledge, that it is good advice.
[color=blue]
>I am trying to make a webpage with a some text as part of a graphical logo as to
>save space as opposed to using a compressed image.[/color]

What you want is impossible.
There is no way of presenting fixed size text in browsers other than
Netscape 4.x and Windows IE. You can keep on asking in stroppier and
stroppier tones but that won't change the facts.

Logos are best represented as images unless they are very simple and
can be rendered purely as styled text - in which case the whole logo
is scalable.

So I'll give you the same advice I gave before: either use an image or
stop trying to fix the size. Or sit there in a huff waiting for the
universe to change to suit your whim and never actually launch your
web site. Your choice.
[color=blue]
>Instead wasting bits and time by criticizing my question, either don't post, or
>post something useful.[/color]

You seem to be under a misunderstandin g as to what Usenet is. It's a
forum for discussion. You started a discussion with your post, you
have no control whatsoever over how the discussion procedes from that
point onwards. If you don't like a post, ignore it. If you
consistently don't like posts from a certain author, killfile him.

Steve

--
"My theories appal you, my heresies outrage you,
I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - The Doctor

Steve Pugh <steve@pugh.net > <http://steve.pugh.net/>

[Steve Pugh]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Pamel" <paul@msn.com > wrote:
[color=blue]
>Thanks to everONE that answered with useful information instead of trying to
>tell me I'm evil because I want to set some text to a fixed size.[/color]

Yawn. You were given useful advice. You can choose to ignore it. That
is your right. Don't blame us for giving you advice you don't like. We
didn't do it because we hate you, we did it because we believe, based
on our experience and knowledge, that it is good advice.
[color=blue]
>I am trying to make a webpage with a some text as part of a graphical logo as to
>save space as opposed to using a compressed image.[/color]

What you want is impossible.
There is no way of presenting fixed size text in browsers other than
Netscape 4.x and Windows IE. You can keep on asking in stroppier and
stroppier tones but that won't change the facts.

Logos are best represented as images unless they are very simple and
can be rendered purely as styled text - in which case the whole logo
is scalable.

So I'll give you the same advice I gave before: either use an image or
stop trying to fix the size. Or sit there in a huff waiting for the
universe to change to suit your whim and never actually launch your
web site. Your choice.
[color=blue]
>Instead wasting bits and time by criticizing my question, either don't post, or
>post something useful.[/color]

You seem to be under a misunderstandin g as to what Usenet is. It's a
forum for discussion. You started a discussion with your post, you
have no control whatsoever over how the discussion procedes from that
point onwards. If you don't like a post, ignore it. If you
consistently don't like posts from a certain author, killfile him.

Steve

--
"My theories appal you, my heresies outrage you,
I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - The Doctor

Steve Pugh <steve@pugh.net > <http://steve.pugh.net/>

[Harlan Messinger]

Re: Fixed font sizes


"Pamel" <paul@msn.com > wrote in message
news:ZKHhc.9739 $NR5.826@fe1.te xas.rr.com...[color=blue]
> Thanks to everONE that answered with useful information instead of trying[/color]
to[color=blue]
> tell me I'm evil because I want to set some text to a fixed size. FYI, I[/color]
know[color=blue]
> many people that have vision problems and browse with larger than normal[/color]
text,[color=blue]
> my brother included. I also know people that have to use a software[/color]
magnifier[color=blue]
> on their PC to do anything as they are legally blind. Peaches.
>
> I am trying to make a webpage with a some text as part of a graphical logo[/color]
as to[color=blue]
> save space as opposed to using a compressed image. All other text on the[/color]
page[color=blue]
> is designed to be resized to something useful for people with impaired[/color]
vision.[color=blue]
> The logo text would be easily readable for most as is being >1 inch high[/color]
on my[color=blue]
> 1600x1200 display, and also readable to someone who needs to use a[/color]
magnifier.[color=blue]
>
> Instead wasting bits and time by criticizing my question, either don't[/color]
post, or[color=blue]
> post something useful.[/color]

The useful answer is that (a) you have no control over what browsers do with
the content you send to them, and (b) text is text and graphics are graphics
and there isn't any way to send one and expect it to be treated like the
other, and (c) sometimes a question implicitly indicates the possibility
that the person asking it is or may be looking in the wrong direction or
trying to solve the wrong problem or misinterpreting what the problem is or
unaware of the consequences of what he is trying to do, and therefore it is
potentially useful to provide the kinds of answers you were given. Whether
they are *actually* useful to the questioner will depend on the actual
circumstances behind the question and on the attitude of the questioner. And
even if they are ultimately not useful to the questioner, they may be useful
to thousands of others reading the thread.

[Harlan Messinger]

Re: Fixed font sizes


"Pamel" <paul@msn.com > wrote in message
news:ZKHhc.9739 $NR5.826@fe1.te xas.rr.com...[color=blue]
> Thanks to everONE that answered with useful information instead of trying[/color]
to[color=blue]
> tell me I'm evil because I want to set some text to a fixed size. FYI, I[/color]
know[color=blue]
> many people that have vision problems and browse with larger than normal[/color]
text,[color=blue]
> my brother included. I also know people that have to use a software[/color]
magnifier[color=blue]
> on their PC to do anything as they are legally blind. Peaches.
>
> I am trying to make a webpage with a some text as part of a graphical logo[/color]
as to[color=blue]
> save space as opposed to using a compressed image. All other text on the[/color]
page[color=blue]
> is designed to be resized to something useful for people with impaired[/color]
vision.[color=blue]
> The logo text would be easily readable for most as is being >1 inch high[/color]
on my[color=blue]
> 1600x1200 display, and also readable to someone who needs to use a[/color]
magnifier.[color=blue]
>
> Instead wasting bits and time by criticizing my question, either don't[/color]
post, or[color=blue]
> post something useful.[/color]

The useful answer is that (a) you have no control over what browsers do with
the content you send to them, and (b) text is text and graphics are graphics
and there isn't any way to send one and expect it to be treated like the
other, and (c) sometimes a question implicitly indicates the possibility
that the person asking it is or may be looking in the wrong direction or
trying to solve the wrong problem or misinterpreting what the problem is or
unaware of the consequences of what he is trying to do, and therefore it is
potentially useful to provide the kinds of answers you were given. Whether
they are *actually* useful to the questioner will depend on the actual
circumstances behind the question and on the attitude of the questioner. And
even if they are ultimately not useful to the questioner, they may be useful
to thousands of others reading the thread.

[Darin McGrew]

Re: Fixed font sizes

In article <ZKHhc.9739$NR5 .826@fe1.texas. rr.com>, Pamel <paul@msn.com > wrote:[color=blue]
> I am trying to make a webpage with a some text as part of a graphical
> logo as to save space as opposed to using a compressed image. All other
> text on the page is designed to be resized to something useful for people
> with impaired vision. The logo text would be easily readable for most as
> is being >1 inch high on my 1600x1200 display, and also readable to
> someone who needs to use a magnifier.[/color]

So you don't really need a fixed font size: You need the font size and an
image to be sized in proportion to each other. You might have gotten more
"useful" replies if you'd asked about that in the first place.

When I've needed an image to be sized in proportion to the text, I've sized
the image in ems in my style sheet. But there are downsides to this
technique. If you make the image approximately the size that you expect it
to be displayed normally, then it may look ugly when resized slightly
(either larger or smaller), and it will be badly pixelated at large sizes.
If you make the image significantly larger than you expect it to be
displayed normally, then the result is better when your CSS is used, but
the file size goes up and the results when CSS is disabled/unsupported are
much worse.

But for a logo, it makes sense to make the whole thing an image, and to use
appropriate ALT text. Removing the text from the image won't decrease its
size that much.
--
Darin McGrew, darin@TheRallye Club.org, http://www.TheRallyeClub.org/
A gimmick car rallye is not a race, but a fun puzzle testing your
ability to follow instructions. Upcoming gimmick car rallye in
Silicon Valley: Starsky & Hutch (Saturday, May 1)

[Darin McGrew]

Re: Fixed font sizes

In article <ZKHhc.9739$NR5 .826@fe1.texas. rr.com>, Pamel <paul@msn.com > wrote:[color=blue]
> I am trying to make a webpage with a some text as part of a graphical
> logo as to save space as opposed to using a compressed image. All other
> text on the page is designed to be resized to something useful for people
> with impaired vision. The logo text would be easily readable for most as
> is being >1 inch high on my 1600x1200 display, and also readable to
> someone who needs to use a magnifier.[/color]

So you don't really need a fixed font size: You need the font size and an
image to be sized in proportion to each other. You might have gotten more
"useful" replies if you'd asked about that in the first place.

When I've needed an image to be sized in proportion to the text, I've sized
the image in ems in my style sheet. But there are downsides to this
technique. If you make the image approximately the size that you expect it
to be displayed normally, then it may look ugly when resized slightly
(either larger or smaller), and it will be badly pixelated at large sizes.
If you make the image significantly larger than you expect it to be
displayed normally, then the result is better when your CSS is used, but
the file size goes up and the results when CSS is disabled/unsupported are
much worse.

But for a logo, it makes sense to make the whole thing an image, and to use
appropriate ALT text. Removing the text from the image won't decrease its
size that much.
--
Darin McGrew, darin@TheRallye Club.org, http://www.TheRallyeClub.org/
A gimmick car rallye is not a race, but a fun puzzle testing your
ability to follow instructions. Upcoming gimmick car rallye in
Silicon Valley: Starsky & Hutch (Saturday, May 1)

[Christoph Paeper]

Re: Fixed font sizes

*Steve Pugh* <steve@pugh.net >:[color=blue]
>
> Logos are best represented as images unless they are very simple and
> can be rendered purely as styled text - in which case the whole logo
> is scalable.[/color]

The crossover being vector graphics---sadly almost impossible to be used
well on the Web at the current.

--
"The scientific name for an animal that doesn't
either run from or fight its enemies is lunch."
Michael Friedman

[Christoph Paeper]

Re: Fixed font sizes

*Steve Pugh* <steve@pugh.net >:[color=blue]
>
> Logos are best represented as images unless they are very simple and
> can be rendered purely as styled text - in which case the whole logo
> is scalable.[/color]

The crossover being vector graphics---sadly almost impossible to be used
well on the Web at the current.

--
"The scientific name for an animal that doesn't
either run from or fight its enemies is lunch."
Michael Friedman

[Stan Brown]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Pamel" <paul@msn.com > wrote in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets:[color=blue]
>Thanks to everONE that answered with useful information instead of trying to
>tell me I'm evil because I want to set some text to a fixed size.[/color]

It _is_ useful information to tell you that setting fixed font sizes
is evil.

Too bad you're not ready to hear it.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems Cortland County, New York, USA

http://OakRoadSystems.com

You need any friends you can get. The only thing standing
between you and a watery grave is your wits, and that's not
my idea of adequate protection. -- /Beat the Devil/ (1954)

[Stan Brown]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Pamel" <paul@msn.com > wrote in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets:[color=blue]
>Thanks to everONE that answered with useful information instead of trying to
>tell me I'm evil because I want to set some text to a fixed size.[/color]

It _is_ useful information to tell you that setting fixed font sizes
is evil.

Too bad you're not ready to hear it.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems Cortland County, New York, USA

http://OakRoadSystems.com

You need any friends you can get. The only thing standing
between you and a watery grave is your wits, and that's not
my idea of adequate protection. -- /Beat the Devil/ (1954)

[Alan J. Flavell]

Re: Fixed font sizes

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Stan Brown wrote:
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> "Pamel" <paul@msn.com > wrote in
> comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets:[color=green]
> >Thanks to everONE that answered with useful information instead of trying to
> >tell me I'm evil because I want to set some text to a fixed size.[/color]
>
> It _is_ useful information to tell you that setting fixed font sizes
> is evil.[/color]

That too, but surely it's bad enough that it doesnt work?
[color=blue]
> Too bad you're not ready to hear it.[/color]

Plenty more room in the killfile.

[Alan J. Flavell]

Re: Fixed font sizes

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Stan Brown wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Pamel" <paul@msn.com > wrote in
> comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets:[color=green]
> >Thanks to everONE that answered with useful information instead of trying to
> >tell me I'm evil because I want to set some text to a fixed size.[/color]
>
> It _is_ useful information to tell you that setting fixed font sizes
> is evil.[/color]

That too, but surely it's bad enough that it doesnt work?
[color=blue]
> Too bad you're not ready to hear it.[/color]

Plenty more room in the killfile.

[Pamel]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Brian" wrote...[color=blue]
> How am I supposed to post my replies in a newsgroup?:
> http://allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post
>
> (But in your case, you might as well just continue to top-post, since
> you won't be getting much help with that attitude.)[/color]

In both my newsreader and google groups my post shows as a sub post to my own
post. Perhaps the header was corrupted on your new server? I never top post
unless there is a completely new issue. I will sometimes reply to a post that
is over a year old to ensure that it stays in the same thread. Anything else is
just barbaric. Or maybe I am misunderstandin g your definition of "top post"?
[color=blue]
> Pamel wrote:[color=green]
> > Thanks to everONE[/color]
>
> Spell-check broken?[/color]

Nope, in fact it caught that error. The fault is mine by accidentaly clicking
on "ignore". I hate having spelling errors in posts. I think it would have
been much more dramatic had the actual post said "everyONE". The emphasis being
on the fact that only one person out of 4 actually answered the question.
(Incidentally, that was you.)

I asked for a link to some content that addressed my question. Yours is the
only one that did that. All of the other posts were just rather insulting.

I did in fact search (I can't believe I just typed "surch" before retyping that
word) on google, google groups, and asked people in IRC. The irony being that I
never actually searched for "fixed font" as the subject says, but rather all
sorts of other phrases. I guess that phrase didn't occur to me until typing the
post, at which point I didn't come to realize that I hadn't searched for that
specific phrase.
[color=blue]
> (Sure, I could have let the spelling error go, but the post was rude, so
> all bets are off.)[/color]

It wasn't meant to be rude. More of an informative satiric piece. Contrast
"don't make web pages that won't resize" to "don't post off topic".
[color=blue]
> And we'll send the helpdesk bill to...?[/color]

Joseph Stalin. Careful though, he has a temper.


Pamel

[Pamel]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Brian" wrote...[color=blue]
> How am I supposed to post my replies in a newsgroup?:
> http://allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post
>
> (But in your case, you might as well just continue to top-post, since
> you won't be getting much help with that attitude.)[/color]

In both my newsreader and google groups my post shows as a sub post to my own
post. Perhaps the header was corrupted on your new server? I never top post
unless there is a completely new issue. I will sometimes reply to a post that
is over a year old to ensure that it stays in the same thread. Anything else is
just barbaric. Or maybe I am misunderstandin g your definition of "top post"?
[color=blue]
> Pamel wrote:[color=green]
> > Thanks to everONE[/color]
>
> Spell-check broken?[/color]

Nope, in fact it caught that error. The fault is mine by accidentaly clicking
on "ignore". I hate having spelling errors in posts. I think it would have
been much more dramatic had the actual post said "everyONE". The emphasis being
on the fact that only one person out of 4 actually answered the question.
(Incidentally, that was you.)

I asked for a link to some content that addressed my question. Yours is the
only one that did that. All of the other posts were just rather insulting.

I did in fact search (I can't believe I just typed "surch" before retyping that
word) on google, google groups, and asked people in IRC. The irony being that I
never actually searched for "fixed font" as the subject says, but rather all
sorts of other phrases. I guess that phrase didn't occur to me until typing the
post, at which point I didn't come to realize that I hadn't searched for that
specific phrase.
[color=blue]
> (Sure, I could have let the spelling error go, but the post was rude, so
> all bets are off.)[/color]

It wasn't meant to be rude. More of an informative satiric piece. Contrast
"don't make web pages that won't resize" to "don't post off topic".
[color=blue]
> And we'll send the helpdesk bill to...?[/color]

Joseph Stalin. Careful though, he has a temper.


Pamel

[Pamel]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Christoph Paeper" wrote...[color=blue]
> *Steve Pugh* <steve@pugh.net >:[color=green]
> >
> > Logos are best represented as images unless they are very simple and
> > can be rendered purely as styled text - in which case the whole logo
> > is scalable.[/color]
>
> The crossover being vector graphics---sadly almost impossible to be used
> well on the Web at the current.[/color]

I await good SVG support with great anticipation.


Pamel