Fixed font sizes

[Pamel]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Christoph Paeper" wrote...[color=blue]
> *Steve Pugh* <steve@pugh.net >:[color=green]
> >
> > Logos are best represented as images unless they are very simple and
> > can be rendered purely as styled text - in which case the whole logo
> > is scalable.[/color]
>
> The crossover being vector graphics---sadly almost impossible to be used
> well on the Web at the current.[/color]

I await good SVG support with great anticipation.


Pamel

[Pamel]

Re: Fixed font sizes


"Steve Pugh" wrote...[color=blue]
> "Pamel" wrote:
>[color=green]
> >Thanks to everONE that answered with useful information instead of trying to
> >tell me I'm evil because I want to set some text to a fixed size.[/color]
>
> Yawn. You were given useful advice. You can choose to ignore it.[/color]

No, I was given advice that I already knew, and that didn't answer the question
that I had. Good advice, just not relevant.
[color=blue]
> What you want is impossible.
> There is no way of presenting fixed size text in browsers other than
> Netscape 4.x and Windows IE. You can keep on asking in stroppier and
> stroppier tones but that won't change the facts.[/color]

? I asked once and got my answer. I did not think that I asked in a belligerent
manner, but maybe? I meant it to be a quick plea for a quick direction, but
maybe it came off as more short than quick? I'm not sure, but it wouldn't
surprise me as I have seen more than one person offend at something that I say
innocently. What would have been a better way to ask?
[color=blue]
> Logos are best represented as images unless they are very simple and
> can be rendered purely as styled text - in which case the whole logo
> is scalable.[/color]

Its some simple text over graphics where the text extends far beyond the
graphics. So, it would take much less space to store the text as text. Its a
bit of a personal challenge to me sometimes to see if I can make something
smaller, or better, or whatnot.
[color=blue]
> So I'll give you the same advice I gave before: either use an image or
> stop trying to fix the size. Or sit there in a huff waiting for the
> universe to change to suit your whim and never actually launch your
> web site. Your choice.[/color]

Well, as the answer was that I cannot fix the font size, I knew that I needed
another solution. In this case it looks like images are the only solution. Why
would I "sit there in a huff" waiting for anything? Did something I say make it
sound like I wouldn't accept that answer?
[color=blue][color=green]
> >Instead wasting bits and time by criticizing my question, either don't post,[/color][/color]
or[color=blue][color=green]
> >post something useful.[/color]
>
> You seem to be under a misunderstandin g as to what Usenet is. It's a
> forum for discussion. You started a discussion with your post, you
> have no control whatsoever over how the discussion procedes from that
> point onwards. If you don't like a post, ignore it. If you
> consistently don't like posts from a certain author, killfile him.[/color]

I know, I just find it so hard to. I feel like I might miss out on something.
'What if' he says something useful? 'What if' I miss out on some excellent
discussion, or not understand another? I just can't bring myself to do it most
of the time. I admit it, I'm a habitual reader.
[color=blue]
> Steve Pugh <steve@pugh.net > <http://steve.pugh.net/>[/color]

Pamel <Paul@msn.com > <http://commo.de/>

[Pamel]

Re: Fixed font sizes


"Steve Pugh" wrote...[color=blue]
> "Pamel" wrote:
>[color=green]
> >Thanks to everONE that answered with useful information instead of trying to
> >tell me I'm evil because I want to set some text to a fixed size.[/color]
>
> Yawn. You were given useful advice. You can choose to ignore it.[/color]

No, I was given advice that I already knew, and that didn't answer the question
that I had. Good advice, just not relevant.
[color=blue]
> What you want is impossible.
> There is no way of presenting fixed size text in browsers other than
> Netscape 4.x and Windows IE. You can keep on asking in stroppier and
> stroppier tones but that won't change the facts.[/color]

? I asked once and got my answer. I did not think that I asked in a belligerent
manner, but maybe? I meant it to be a quick plea for a quick direction, but
maybe it came off as more short than quick? I'm not sure, but it wouldn't
surprise me as I have seen more than one person offend at something that I say
innocently. What would have been a better way to ask?
[color=blue]
> Logos are best represented as images unless they are very simple and
> can be rendered purely as styled text - in which case the whole logo
> is scalable.[/color]

Its some simple text over graphics where the text extends far beyond the
graphics. So, it would take much less space to store the text as text. Its a
bit of a personal challenge to me sometimes to see if I can make something
smaller, or better, or whatnot.
[color=blue]
> So I'll give you the same advice I gave before: either use an image or
> stop trying to fix the size. Or sit there in a huff waiting for the
> universe to change to suit your whim and never actually launch your
> web site. Your choice.[/color]

Well, as the answer was that I cannot fix the font size, I knew that I needed
another solution. In this case it looks like images are the only solution. Why
would I "sit there in a huff" waiting for anything? Did something I say make it
sound like I wouldn't accept that answer?
[color=blue][color=green]
> >Instead wasting bits and time by criticizing my question, either don't post,[/color][/color]
or[color=blue][color=green]
> >post something useful.[/color]
>
> You seem to be under a misunderstandin g as to what Usenet is. It's a
> forum for discussion. You started a discussion with your post, you
> have no control whatsoever over how the discussion procedes from that
> point onwards. If you don't like a post, ignore it. If you
> consistently don't like posts from a certain author, killfile him.[/color]

I know, I just find it so hard to. I feel like I might miss out on something.
'What if' he says something useful? 'What if' I miss out on some excellent
discussion, or not understand another? I just can't bring myself to do it most
of the time. I admit it, I'm a habitual reader.
[color=blue]
> Steve Pugh <steve@pugh.net > <http://steve.pugh.net/>[/color]

Pamel <Paul@msn.com > <http://commo.de/>

[Pamel]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Harlan Messinger" wrote...[color=blue]
> (c) sometimes a question implicitly indicates the possibility
> that the person asking it is or may be looking in the wrong direction or
> trying to solve the wrong problem or misinterpreting what the problem is or
> unaware of the consequences of what he is trying to do, and therefore it is
> potentially useful to provide the kinds of answers you were given. Whether
> they are *actually* useful to the questioner will depend on the actual
> circumstances behind the question and on the attitude of the questioner. And
> even if they are ultimately not useful to the questioner, they may be useful
> to thousands of others reading the thread.[/color]

I am a firm believer in ensuring that the person understands what they are
asking. But I am also a believer in answering the question. My personal belief
is that it would have been much more useful to say:

"This is why this should usually not be done:"
"Here is the answer:"

Instead I got:

"Trying to do that is like trying to do <insert silly situation here>"

The one way informs the person and answers their question in case they
understood what was happening. The other is somewhat insulting.


Pamel

[Pamel]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Harlan Messinger" wrote...[color=blue]
> (c) sometimes a question implicitly indicates the possibility
> that the person asking it is or may be looking in the wrong direction or
> trying to solve the wrong problem or misinterpreting what the problem is or
> unaware of the consequences of what he is trying to do, and therefore it is
> potentially useful to provide the kinds of answers you were given. Whether
> they are *actually* useful to the questioner will depend on the actual
> circumstances behind the question and on the attitude of the questioner. And
> even if they are ultimately not useful to the questioner, they may be useful
> to thousands of others reading the thread.[/color]

I am a firm believer in ensuring that the person understands what they are
asking. But I am also a believer in answering the question. My personal belief
is that it would have been much more useful to say:

"This is why this should usually not be done:"
"Here is the answer:"

Instead I got:

"Trying to do that is like trying to do <insert silly situation here>"

The one way informs the person and answers their question in case they
understood what was happening. The other is somewhat insulting.


Pamel

[Pamel]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Darin McGrew" wrote...[color=blue]
> When I've needed an image to be sized in proportion to the text, I've sized
> the image in ems in my style sheet. But there are downsides to this
> technique. If you make the image approximately the size that you expect it
> to be displayed normally, then it may look ugly when resized slightly
> (either larger or smaller), and it will be badly pixelated at large sizes.
> If you make the image significantly larger than you expect it to be
> displayed normally, then the result is better when your CSS is used, but
> the file size goes up and the results when CSS is disabled/unsupported are
> much worse.[/color]

I have been less than satisfied with the quality of browser image resizers. In
this case it will be more convenient to make it one fixed size anyway, so I
don't plan on resizing it. However, I may actually set a different image to
dynamically resize.
[color=blue]
> But for a logo, it makes sense to make the whole thing an image, and to use
> appropriate ALT text.[/color]

Yes, I learned the evils of forgetting the ALT text long ago. Is there any way
to specify the ALT text within the CSS?


Pamel

[Pamel]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Darin McGrew" wrote...[color=blue]
> When I've needed an image to be sized in proportion to the text, I've sized
> the image in ems in my style sheet. But there are downsides to this
> technique. If you make the image approximately the size that you expect it
> to be displayed normally, then it may look ugly when resized slightly
> (either larger or smaller), and it will be badly pixelated at large sizes.
> If you make the image significantly larger than you expect it to be
> displayed normally, then the result is better when your CSS is used, but
> the file size goes up and the results when CSS is disabled/unsupported are
> much worse.[/color]

I have been less than satisfied with the quality of browser image resizers. In
this case it will be more convenient to make it one fixed size anyway, so I
don't plan on resizing it. However, I may actually set a different image to
dynamically resize.
[color=blue]
> But for a logo, it makes sense to make the whole thing an image, and to use
> appropriate ALT text.[/color]

Yes, I learned the evils of forgetting the ALT text long ago. Is there any way
to specify the ALT text within the CSS?


Pamel

[Pamel]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Stan Brown" wrote...[color=blue]
> It _is_ useful information to tell you that setting fixed font sizes
> is evil.[/color]

Unless I already know it.
[color=blue]
> Too bad you're not ready to hear it.[/color]

I feel like I point and ask someone if a car works, and they turn to me and tell
me its purple. Useful information, but I already knew it, and it wasn't what I
asked.

I wish my room mate would get out of the bathroom, I really have to pee.


Pamel

[Pamel]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Stan Brown" wrote...[color=blue]
> It _is_ useful information to tell you that setting fixed font sizes
> is evil.[/color]

Unless I already know it.
[color=blue]
> Too bad you're not ready to hear it.[/color]

I feel like I point and ask someone if a car works, and they turn to me and tell
me its purple. Useful information, but I already knew it, and it wasn't what I
asked.

I wish my room mate would get out of the bathroom, I really have to pee.


Pamel

[Pamel]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Alan J. Flavell" wrote...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Stan Brown wrote:[color=green]
> > It _is_ useful information to tell you that setting fixed font sizes
> > is evil.[/color]
>
> That too, but surely it's bad enough that it doesnt work?[/color]

Was it intended by the W3 to make a font size setting that wouldn't be resized?
Most of the display specifics seem to be pretty vague in their docs.


Pamel

[Pamel]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Alan J. Flavell" wrote...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Stan Brown wrote:[color=green]
> > It _is_ useful information to tell you that setting fixed font sizes
> > is evil.[/color]
>
> That too, but surely it's bad enough that it doesnt work?[/color]

Was it intended by the W3 to make a font size setting that wouldn't be resized?
Most of the display specifics seem to be pretty vague in their docs.


Pamel

[Spartanicus]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Pamel" <paul@msn.com > wrote:
[color=blue]
>Yes, I learned the evils of forgetting the ALT text long ago. Is there any way
>to specify the ALT text within the CSS?[/color]

CSS is for decoration, if an image has alt content then it's not
decoration and should be placed in the html.

--
Spartanicus

[Spartanicus]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Pamel" <paul@msn.com > wrote:
[color=blue]
>Yes, I learned the evils of forgetting the ALT text long ago. Is there any way
>to specify the ALT text within the CSS?[/color]

CSS is for decoration, if an image has alt content then it's not
decoration and should be placed in the html.

--
Spartanicus

[Harlan Messinger]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Pamel" <paul@msn.com > wrote:
[color=blue]
>"Harlan Messinger" wrote...[color=green]
>> (c) sometimes a question implicitly indicates the possibility
>> that the person asking it is or may be looking in the wrong direction or
>> trying to solve the wrong problem or misinterpreting what the problem is or
>> unaware of the consequences of what he is trying to do, and therefore it is
>> potentially useful to provide the kinds of answers you were given. Whether
>> they are *actually* useful to the questioner will depend on the actual
>> circumstances behind the question and on the attitude of the questioner. And
>> even if they are ultimately not useful to the questioner, they may be useful
>> to thousands of others reading the thread.[/color]
>
>I am a firm believer in ensuring that the person understands what they are
>asking. But I am also a believer in answering the question. My personal belief
>is that it would have been much more useful to say:
>
>"This is why this should usually not be done:"
>"Here is the answer:"[/color]

Since part of the answer was, "It can't be done", why are you still
insisting that people should have told you how it can be done?


--
Harlan Messinger
Remove the first dot from my e-mail address.
Veuillez ôter le premier point de mon adresse de courriel.

[Harlan Messinger]

Re: Fixed font sizes

"Pamel" <paul@msn.com > wrote:
[color=blue]
>"Harlan Messinger" wrote...[color=green]
>> (c) sometimes a question implicitly indicates the possibility
>> that the person asking it is or may be looking in the wrong direction or
>> trying to solve the wrong problem or misinterpreting what the problem is or
>> unaware of the consequences of what he is trying to do, and therefore it is
>> potentially useful to provide the kinds of answers you were given. Whether
>> they are *actually* useful to the questioner will depend on the actual
>> circumstances behind the question and on the attitude of the questioner. And
>> even if they are ultimately not useful to the questioner, they may be useful
>> to thousands of others reading the thread.[/color]
>
>I am a firm believer in ensuring that the person understands what they are
>asking. But I am also a believer in answering the question. My personal belief
>is that it would have been much more useful to say:
>
>"This is why this should usually not be done:"
>"Here is the answer:"[/color]

Since part of the answer was, "It can't be done", why are you still
insisting that people should have told you how it can be done?


--
Harlan Messinger
Remove the first dot from my e-mail address.
Veuillez ôter le premier point de mon adresse de courriel.