My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

[Mark Goodge]

Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

On Fri, 9 May 2008 22:00:25 -0700 (PDT), Prisoner at War put finger to
keyboard and typed:

>On May 9, 5:41 pm, SAZ <saz1...@nospam excite.comwrote :

>>
>>
>The vast majority of these sites are over 500,000 in Alexa. Frankly,
>I'm shocked they're even advertising these numbers and actimg like it's
>something special.

>
>Huh? I'm talking about http://results.sitesell.com/sunnyside.html --
>like half are *under* 500K Alexa...now my sense is that you can't make
>much money until you're 100K Alexa (and no "financial independence"
>without ranking below ~45K).

That may be true if your only income is from advertising, although it
depends on what you mean by "much money" - I've helped create an
ad-supported website which is currently ranked around 500,000 by Alexa
and generates around $250 a month in Google Adsense earnings. That's
not a huge amount, but it covers the costs of hosting it with plenty
to spare and it's a useful second income for the owner (who isn't me,
by the way; this isn't one of my sites that I've mentioned in other
posts to this group).

It's certainly not true if you're selling an actual product or
service. I've worked on a site which has an Alexa ranking in the
300,000 range that earns enough to support several full-time employees
and a bunch of contractors.

Mark
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[Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn]

Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

Sherman Pendley wrote:

Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_wa r@yahoo.comwrit es:

>On May 9, 12:36 pm, Sherman Pendley <spamt...@dot-app.orgwrote:

>>I'm not trying to be snooty or anything, I understand that what I'm
>>talking about here would be hard for a newbie. I'm just saying, I'm not
>>a newbie, nor am I describing something I mean to attempt and hope will
>>work - I'm talking from experience about a working site.

>Ah, um, didn't mean "attempting " in a literal sense.

>
Sorry, I misunderstood.
>

>So who's your webhost??

>
I use DreamHost - $120/year, more space and transfer than any ten sites of
mine will need, and FastCGI support. The latter is a very nice feature if
your vocabulary includes the words Rails or Catalyst, and it's unusual to
find at that price.

You are *off-topic* in comp.lang.javas cript and
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html. Will you please
stop this mindless crossposting without Followup-To.


F'up2 misc.consumers

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[Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn]

Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

Mark Goodge wrote:

On Fri, 9 May 2008 22:00:25 -0700 (PDT), Prisoner at War put finger to
keyboard and typed:
>

>On May 9, 5:41 pm, SAZ <saz1...@nospam excite.comwrote :

>>The vast majority of these sites are over 500,000 in Alexa. Frankly,
>>I'm shocked they're even advertising these numbers and actimg like it's
>>something special.

>Huh? I'm talking about http://results.sitesell.com/sunnyside.html --
>like half are *under* 500K Alexa...now my sense is that you can't make
>much money until you're 100K Alexa (and no "financial independence"
>without ranking below ~45K).

>
That may be true if your only income is from advertising, although it
depends on what you mean by "much money" - I've helped create an
ad-supported website which is currently ranked around 500,000 by Alexa
and generates around $250 a month in Google Adsense earnings. That's
not a huge amount, but it covers the costs of hosting it with plenty
to spare and it's a useful second income for the owner (who isn't me,
by the way; this isn't one of my sites that I've mentioned in other
posts to this group).
>
It's certainly not true if you're selling an actual product or
service. I've worked on a site which has an Alexa ranking in the
300,000 range that earns enough to support several full-time employees
and a bunch of contractors.

This has nothing to do with ECMAScript implementations or HTML. Go away.


F'up2 misc.consumers

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[Sherman Pendley]

Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@we b.dewrites:

Sherman Pendley wrote:

>Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_wa r@yahoo.comwrit es:

>>On May 9, 12:36 pm, Sherman Pendley <spamt...@dot-app.orgwrote:
>>>I'm not trying to be snooty or anything, I understand that what I'm
>>>talking about here would be hard for a newbie. I'm just saying, I'm not
>>>a newbie, nor am I describing something I mean to attempt and hope will
>>>work - I'm talking from experience about a working site.
>>Ah, um, didn't mean "attempting " in a literal sense.

>>
>Sorry, I misunderstood.
>>

>>So who's your webhost??

>>
>I use DreamHost - $120/year, more space and transfer than any ten sites of
>mine will need, and FastCGI support. The latter is a very nice feature if
>your vocabulary includes the words Rails or Catalyst, and it's unusual to
>find at that price.

>
You are *off-topic* in comp.lang.javas cript and
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html. Will you please
stop this mindless crossposting without Followup-To.

If you'd asked nicely, I might have.

F'up2 misc.consumers

Stuff it. I know how to operate my news reader.

sherm--

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[Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn]

Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

Sherman Pendley wrote:

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@we b.dewrites:

>Sherman Pendley wrote:

>>Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_wa r@yahoo.comwrit es:
>>>On May 9, 12:36 pm, Sherman Pendley <spamt...@dot-app.orgwrote:
>>>>I'm not trying to be snooty or anything, I understand that what I'm
>>>>talking about here would be hard for a newbie. I'm just saying, I'm not
>>>>a newbie, nor am I describing something I mean to attempt and hope will
>>>>work - I'm talking from experience about a working site.
>>>Ah, um, didn't mean "attempting " in a literal sense.
>>Sorry, I misunderstood.
>>>
>>>So who's your webhost??
>>I use DreamHost - $120/year, more space and transfer than any ten sites of
>>mine will need, and FastCGI support. The latter is a very nice feature if
>>your vocabulary includes the words Rails or Catalyst, and it's unusual to
>>find at that price.

>You are *off-topic* in comp.lang.javas cript and
>comp.infosyste ms.www.authoring.html. Will you please
>stop this mindless crossposting without Followup-To.

>
If you'd asked nicely, I might have.

No, you wouldn't. For I asked nicely already, and you did not.

>F'up2 misc.consumers

>
Stuff it. I know how to operate my news reader.

So much for your capabilities regarding courtesy towards other people.


Score adjusted, F'up2 poster

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[Sherman Pendley]

Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@we b.dewrites:

No, you wouldn't. For I asked nicely already, and you did not.

Calling someone "mindless" is not nice.

Score adjusted, F'up2 poster

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

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[Prisoner at War]

Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

On May 11, 2:49 am, Chaddy2222 <spamlovermailb ox-
sicur...@yahoo. com.auwrote:

>
>
You only need to read back through the older posts from this and other
NG's to get an idea of some of the larger hosts.

Yeah, but nothing like timely information! Perhaps policies have
since changed, etc. -- I myself was all bullish on SBI! only last
month, but then a series of weird incidents like this little image-
swap mystery has given me an "awkward feeling" towards them....

Mind you ServerGrade
only do support by email so you may or may not like that. I don't mind
that as it is easier then getting support on the phone.

I prefer e-mail since everything's in writing and I can't be accused
of miscommunicatio n -- though, of course, communication is a two-way
street, and if someone just isn't paying attention then it doesn't
even matter much that I put things in writing; they will still
misinterpret it!

I also have a
reasonable grounding on what I need to do to get a site set-up so I
like having my site always online.
Also ServerGrade linit the amount of sites on their servers, my server
has 34 sites on it. Other hosts such as Yahoo place up to 300 or more
sites on the one server.

Yeah, looks like I'm going to have to google up some how-to-choose-a-
webhost guides...in the meantime, please continue to share any new
thoughts you may have on the matter. I was hoping to learn with SBI!
but it's turning out to be like having to drop a college course 'cause
the professor has a strange and possibly unhelpful pedagogy and
instead of learning I'm dealing with weird minutiae....

--
Regards Chad.http://freewebdesignonline.org
>
>

[dorayme]

Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

In article <m1iqxky4mc.fsf @dot-app.org>,
Sherman Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.orgwrote:

>
Hate to say it, but - spend some money. What you need is just plain old
advertising, not search engine tweaks. The job of the search engines is
simply to ensure that someone who knows your brand (a unique keyword)
can easily find information about it (your site). Getting the word out
about your brand isn't a search engine's job.
>
I would advise talking to the other end of Google, and buying some Adwords.
That's where you'll want to use broad terms - Adwords uses the same key-
word database, and they'll put your ads on sites that match the keywords
you supply, so more generic terms will reach more people.

A friend of mine has told me that his website hits and sales go up in
direct proportion to the amount of he spends at Google.

--
dorayme

[Prisoner at War]

Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

On May 11, 6:32 pm, dorayme <doraymeRidT... @optusnet.com.a uwrote:

>
>
A friend of mine has told me that his website hits and sales go up in
direct proportion to the amount of he spends at Google.

Hmmm, you wouldn't suppose that "saintly" google somehow favors its
clients, would you?? Many on the SBI! private forums have reported
being indexed by google almost right away once they signed on with
google Adsense.

--
dorayme

[dorayme]

Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

In article
<6f9fbe7c-18ae-45c0-88a2-62232fd7761e@25 g2000hsx.google groups.com>,
Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_wa r@yahoo.comwrot e:

On May 11, 6:32 pm, dorayme <doraymeRidT... @optusnet.com.a uwrote:

A friend of mine has told me that his website hits and sales go up in
direct proportion to the amount of he spends at Google.

>
Hmmm, you wouldn't suppose that "saintly" google somehow favors its
clients, would you?? Many on the SBI! private forums have reported
being indexed by google almost right away once they signed on with
google Adsense.
>

Know nothing about it, I just relay what I was told by a very successful
businessman who maintains his own website (Joomla based and boy o boy
does it break at larger font-sizes... sssshhhh! I know, it is not
Joomla's fault.)

Me, I just like to make client websites with good and truthful content,
clear words and leave it to the gods... but I suppose I should look to
this ranking business more...

One severe character here could not fathom it when I suggested once that
not all websites are in this race, that great bookmarking and search
engine findability are not everyone's priorities.

--
dorayme

[Chaddy2222]

Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please



Prisoner at War wrote:

On May 11, 2:49 am, Chaddy2222 <spamlovermailb ox-
sicur...@yahoo. com.auwrote:

You only need to read back through the older posts from this and other
NG's to get an idea of some of the larger hosts.

>
Yeah, but nothing like timely information! Perhaps policies have
since changed, etc. -- I myself was all bullish on SBI! only last
month, but then a series of weird incidents like this little image-
swap mystery has given me an "awkward feeling" towards them....
>

Mind you ServerGrade
only do support by email so you may or may not like that. I don't mind
that as it is easier then getting support on the phone.

>
I prefer e-mail since everything's in writing and I can't be accused
of miscommunicatio n -- though, of course, communication is a two-way
street, and if someone just isn't paying attention then it doesn't
even matter much that I put things in writing; they will still
misinterpret it!
>

I also have a
reasonable grounding on what I need to do to get a site set-up so I
like having my site always online.
Also ServerGrade linit the amount of sites on their servers, my server
has 34 sites on it. Other hosts such as Yahoo place up to 300 or more
sites on the one server.

>
Yeah, looks like I'm going to have to google up some how-to-choose-a-
webhost guides...in the meantime, please continue to share any new
thoughts you may have on the matter. I was hoping to learn with SBI!
but it's turning out to be like having to drop a college course 'cause
the professor has a strange and possibly unhelpful pedagogy and
instead of learning I'm dealing with weird minutiae....
>

Well as for ServerGrade. Just try them out. Have a look through the
site if you have not done so already though.
But as for learning you might not be able to learn much from the web
host because as Jerry said it is not the Job of the host to teach you
this stuff. You need to learn from sites such as http://www.htmldog.com
or even better buy a book.
But you can also read the large amount of stuff the is on sites such
as http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com
--
Regards Chad. http://freewebdesignonline.org

[Andy Dingley]

Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

On 9 May, 15:47, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_.. .@yahoo.comwrot e:

This is one aspect of human nature I'm afraid I shall never
understand. I say "A" and even go on to specifically say that I'm not
saying "B" and still people will say that I'm saying "B"!! =(

It's because you're saying B, and you only _think_ that you're saying
A

Ditch this hosting company. Although do it gracefully, because they
even talked to you about an issue that no hosting company with any
sense would even answer the phone over - _YOUR_ script bugs.

Secondly, find a basic HTML tutorial ("Head First HTML with CSS &
XHTML", as a recommendation) , or else contract out the development
work. I doubt you can afford to waste "three days" or whatever over
simple beginner's errors like this one.

[Prisoner at War]

Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

On May 12, 4:23 am, Chaddy2222 <spamlovermailb ox-
sicur...@yahoo. com.auwrote:

>
>
Well as for ServerGrade. Just try them out. Have a look through the
site if you have not done so already though.
But as for learning you might not be able to learn much from the web
host because as Jerry said it is not the Job of the host to teach you
this stuff.

Jerry has no idea what he's talking about. I wasn't asking for help
with JavaScript; I was asking why they didn't seem to support
JavaScript since the code worked on my end but not on theirs. Big
difference, but for some reason the distinction remains lost on him.

As for my "learning with SBI!" comment, learning indeed is what SBI!
purports to do; as a matter of fact, one of their sales pages lists
colleges and universities using them for e-commerce instruction,
fairly famous places like the University of Arizona and even The
Citadel!

You need to learn from sites such ashttp://www.htmldog.com
or even better buy a book.
But you can also read the large amount of stuff the is on sites such
ashttp://www.webpagestha tsuck.com

LOL, yeah, I came across that last one! But thanks for the refs; yes,
I was hoping that SBI! would be a "centralize d place" where I could
learn this stuff (not necessarily "all" of it but a lot, certainly --
and I suppose I have, though I should have liked more), but it looks
like it's back to just googling the web and tickling the library
books!

--
Regards Chad.http://freewebdesignonline.org

[Jonathan N. Little]

Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

Prisoner at War wrote:

On May 12, 4:23 am, Chaddy2222 <spamlovermailb ox-
sicur...@yahoo. com.auwrote:

>>
>Well as for ServerGrade. Just try them out. Have a look through the
>site if you have not done so already though.
>But as for learning you might not be able to learn much from the web
>host because as Jerry said it is not the Job of the host to teach you
>this stuff.

>
Jerry has no idea what he's talking about. I wasn't asking for help
with JavaScript; I was asking why they didn't seem to support
JavaScript since the code worked on my end but not on theirs. Big
difference, but for some reason the distinction remains lost on him.

If it is client-side JavaScript the webserver has nothing to do with it,
other than properly server the content type for external JS files.
Client-side JavaScript is processed within the browser. Your JavaScript
problems have nothing to do with your hosting company.

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Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO

http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

[Prisoner at War]

Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

On May 12, 11:53 am, Andy Dingley <ding...@codesm iths.comwrote:

>
>
It's because you're saying B, and you only _think_ that you're saying
A

Well, how was I saying "A," then?

From the get-go I've said that my code works perfectly on my end. Yet
it doesn't on theirs. Is it asking them for "programmin g help" if
perfect programming doesn't work with them? Or is it not, as I keep
saying, simply asking them why they don't support standard code?

And as it turns out, they say the issue is having to use an absolute
path name when attempting an image-swap. That's got nothing to do
with "programmin g" at all. For some reason, their CMS just won't
accept relative file paths when an image-swap is involved.

Now that's a figgin' **B*U*G** but human nature loves to blame the
victim and so there's the tendency to blame my "programmin g" -- even
though it's got nothing to do with programming, but simply how their
CMS sees files!

Ditch this hosting company. Although do it gracefully, because they
even talked to you about an issue that no hosting company with any
sense would even answer the phone over - _YOUR_ script bugs.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true -- though, yes, it's worked for
Goebbels and Stalin and Madison Avenue.

Now where's my script bugs, please? No one's pointed it out in all
this time. It's another curious property of human nature that people
should be so eager to cast blame but cannot be bothered to point out
what the alleged error is supposed to be.

Secondly, find a basic HTML tutorial ("Head First HTML with CSS &
XHTML", as a recommendation) ,

Already got it! Very nice book, I really dig it -- though curiously
it's in color whereas the later-issued "Head First JavaScript"
isn't....

or else contract out the development
work. I doubt you can afford to waste "three days" or whatever over
simple beginner's errors like this one.

Yeah, and what was that "simple beginner's error," exactly?

Why do you people keep saying there's an error and yet can't be
bothered to point it out??