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  • Prisoner at War

    My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please


    Friends, your opinions and advice, please:

    I have a very simple JavaScript image-swap which works on my end but
    when uploaded to my host at http://buildit.sitesell.com/sunnyside.html
    does not work.

    To rule out all possible factors, I made up a dummy page for an
    index.html to upload, along the lines of <html><head><ti tle></title></
    head><body></body></html>.; the image-swap itself is your basic <img
    src="blah.png" onMouseOver="bl eh.gif" onMouseOut="bla h.png">.

    All file paths are correct; all image files have been uploaded; the
    JavaScript itself, such as it is, is also correct.

    That is to say, all very simple.

    And still it doesn't work.

    Now I contacted their customer/tech support, and only after three days
    with the third rep was it acknowledged that I had a problem which they
    ought to look into (at first they did the usual tech support thing
    and, upon seeing the keyword "JavaScript " immediately disavowed any
    responsibility for my situation, as if I was calling about third-party
    software or something like that).

    After another three days of not receiving my files that they asked me
    to send, which I did via Yahoo!, they took a whole week to investigate
    the matter

    This is what I was told, in relevant part:

    The issue is with how the absolute and relative links are
    used, and our programmers have said (and tested) that
    if you...

    1. Upload a dummy file with all the images referenced
    separately, i.e. in separate <img src ="..."tags

    2. Make all the links absolute before uploading

    ....then what you want to achieve will be successful on
    the live page.


    Can someone parse that for me, please? I don't understand what's
    being asked of me, exactly.

    Am I really being asked to use absolute path-names? Couldn't that
    prove very messy down the road should I decide to move files/pages
    around??

    And, moreover, how am I supposed to use separate <imgtags for the
    two image files that are to be used for an image-swap?? How would the
    browser know to link the two in the manner of an image-swap if
    "distribute d" over separate <imgtags??

    And is it perhaps somehow too much for me to expect my webpages to
    upload "as is" -- or is it not unusual for a webhost to have
    particular requirements about how such things need to be?? SBI! is my
    first webhost so I really don't know what industry standards would be.
  • Ben C

    #2
    Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

    On 2008-05-08, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_wa r@yahoo.comwrot e:
    >
    Friends, your opinions and advice, please:
    >
    I have a very simple JavaScript image-swap which works on my end but
    when uploaded to my host at http://buildit.sitesell.com/sunnyside.html
    does not work.
    >
    To rule out all possible factors, I made up a dummy page for an
    index.html to upload, along the lines of <html><head><ti tle></title></
    head><body></body></html>.; the image-swap itself is your basic <img
    src="blah.png" onMouseOver="bl eh.gif" onMouseOut="bla h.png">.
    Doesn't onmouseover etc. have to be a script, not just the name of
    another image?

    I've never heard of this technique before and can't find it in the HTML
    spec.
    All file paths are correct; all image files have been uploaded; the
    JavaScript itself, such as it is, is also correct.
    >
    That is to say, all very simple.
    >
    And still it doesn't work.
    >
    Now I contacted their customer/tech support, and only after three days
    with the third rep was it acknowledged that I had a problem which they
    ought to look into (at first they did the usual tech support thing
    and, upon seeing the keyword "JavaScript " immediately disavowed any
    responsibility for my situation, as if I was calling about third-party
    software or something like that).
    It's not like the JavaScript is running on their server, so it shouldn't
    make any difference to them.
    After another three days of not receiving my files that they asked me
    to send, which I did via Yahoo!, they took a whole week to investigate
    the matter
    >
    This is what I was told, in relevant part:
    >
    The issue is with how the absolute and relative links are
    used, and our programmers have said (and tested) that
    if you...
    >
    1. Upload a dummy file with all the images referenced
    separately, i.e. in separate <img src ="..."tags
    >
    2. Make all the links absolute before uploading
    >
    ...then what you want to achieve will be successful on
    the live page.
    >
    >
    Can someone parse that for me, please? I don't understand what's
    being asked of me, exactly.
    >
    Am I really being asked to use absolute path-names? Couldn't that
    prove very messy down the road should I decide to move files/pages
    around??
    Yes. And if they're absolute, how are you supposed to know what the root
    is?
    And, moreover, how am I supposed to use separate <imgtags for the
    two image files that are to be used for an image-swap?? How would the
    browser know to link the two in the manner of an image-swap if
    "distribute d" over separate <imgtags??
    >
    And is it perhaps somehow too much for me to expect my webpages to
    upload "as is" -- or is it not unusual for a webhost to have
    particular requirements about how such things need to be?? SBI! is my
    first webhost so I really don't know what industry standards would be.
    I don't think things are supposed to be this difficult.

    Comment

    • =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kim_Andr=E9_Aker=F8?=

      #3
      Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

      Prisoner at War wrote:
      >
      Friends, your opinions and advice, please:
      >
      I have a very simple JavaScript image-swap which works on my end but
      when uploaded to my host at http://buildit.sitesell.com/sunnyside.html
      does not work.
      >
      To rule out all possible factors, I made up a dummy page for an
      index.html to upload, along the lines of <html><head><ti tle></title></
      head><body></body></html>.; the image-swap itself is your basic <img
      src="blah.png" onMouseOver="bl eh.gif" onMouseOut="bla h.png">.
      >
      All file paths are correct; all image files have been uploaded; the
      JavaScript itself, such as it is, is also correct.
      >
      That is to say, all very simple.
      >
      And still it doesn't work.
      >
      Now I contacted their customer/tech support, and only after three days
      with the third rep was it acknowledged that I had a problem which they
      ought to look into (at first they did the usual tech support thing
      and, upon seeing the keyword "JavaScript " immediately disavowed any
      responsibility for my situation, as if I was calling about third-party
      software or something like that).
      >
      After another three days of not receiving my files that they asked me
      to send, which I did via Yahoo!, they took a whole week to investigate
      the matter
      >
      This is what I was told, in relevant part:
      >
      The issue is with how the absolute and relative links are
      used, and our programmers have said (and tested) that
      if you...
      >
      1. Upload a dummy file with all the images referenced
      separately, i.e. in separate <img src ="..."tags
      >
      2. Make all the links absolute before uploading
      >
      ...then what you want to achieve will be successful on
      the live page.
      >
      >
      Can someone parse that for me, please? I don't understand what's
      being asked of me, exactly.
      >
      Am I really being asked to use absolute path-names? Couldn't that
      prove very messy down the road should I decide to move files/pages
      around??
      >
      And, moreover, how am I supposed to use separate <imgtags for the
      two image files that are to be used for an image-swap?? How would the
      browser know to link the two in the manner of an image-swap if
      "distribute d" over separate <imgtags??
      >
      And is it perhaps somehow too much for me to expect my webpages to
      upload "as is" -- or is it not unusual for a webhost to have
      particular requirements about how such things need to be?? SBI! is my
      first webhost so I really don't know what industry standards would be.
      The onmouseover and onmouseout parameters of the tag needs to refer to
      a JavaScript function, or even a small JavaScript contained inside the
      parameter text, not a reference to an image location.

      How to achieve such an effect is described, among other places, here:


      --
      Kim André Akerø
      - kimandre@NOSPAM betadome.com
      (remove NOSPAM to contact me directly)

      Comment

      • nobody@nowhere.net

        #4
        Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

        On Thu, 8 May 2008 13:54:01 -0700 (PDT), Prisoner at War
        <prisoner_at_wa r@yahoo.comwrot e:
        >
        >Friends, your opinions and advice, please:
        >
        >I have a very simple JavaScript image-swap which works on my end but
        >when uploaded to my host at http://buildit.sitesell.com/sunnyside.html
        >does not work.
        >
        >To rule out all possible factors, I made up a dummy page for an
        >index.html to upload, along the lines of <html><head><ti tle></title></
        >head><body></body></html>.; the image-swap itself is your basic <img
        >src="blah.pn g" onMouseOver="bl eh.gif" onMouseOut="bla h.png">.
        >
        >All file paths are correct; all image files have been uploaded; the
        >JavaScript itself, such as it is, is also correct.
        >
        >That is to say, all very simple.
        >
        >And still it doesn't work.
        >
        >Now I contacted their customer/tech support, and only after three days
        >with the third rep was it acknowledged that I had a problem which they
        >ought to look into (at first they did the usual tech support thing
        >and, upon seeing the keyword "JavaScript " immediately disavowed any
        >responsibili ty for my situation, as if I was calling about third-party
        >software or something like that).
        >
        >After another three days of not receiving my files that they asked me
        >to send, which I did via Yahoo!, they took a whole week to investigate
        >the matter
        >
        >This is what I was told, in relevant part:
        >
        >The issue is with how the absolute and relative links are
        >used, and our programmers have said (and tested) that
        >if you...
        >
        >1. Upload a dummy file with all the images referenced
        >separately, i.e. in separate <img src ="..."tags
        >
        >2. Make all the links absolute before uploading
        >
        >...then what you want to achieve will be successful on
        >the live page.
        >
        >
        >Can someone parse that for me, please? I don't understand what's
        >being asked of me, exactly.
        >
        >Am I really being asked to use absolute path-names? Couldn't that
        >prove very messy down the road should I decide to move files/pages
        >around??
        >
        >And, moreover, how am I supposed to use separate <imgtags for the
        >two image files that are to be used for an image-swap?? How would the
        >browser know to link the two in the manner of an image-swap if
        >"distributed " over separate <imgtags??
        >
        >And is it perhaps somehow too much for me to expect my webpages to
        >upload "as is" -- or is it not unusual for a webhost to have
        >particular requirements about how such things need to be?? SBI! is my
        >first webhost so I really don't know what industry standards would be.
        bleh.gif would never be parsed as a valid function. By any scripting
        engine.

        <img src="blah.png" onMouseOver="th is.src='bleh.gi f';"
        onMouseOut="thi s.src='blah.png ';"will work.

        Yet the support is plain clueless. Dump'em. Find yourself a real
        hosting service - or host it yourself, all you need is static ip from
        your 'net provider. Even plain XP can support up to 80 concurrent
        connections - enough for an amateur site. Need more? Get
        Linux/Apache for free, or eMule WinServer2003 - Bill Gates surely will
        not go broke without your license fee.

        NNN

        Comment

        • Jerry Stuckle

          #5
          Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

          nobody@nowhere. net wrote:
          On Thu, 8 May 2008 13:54:01 -0700 (PDT), Prisoner at War
          <prisoner_at_wa r@yahoo.comwrot e:
          >
          >Friends, your opinions and advice, please:
          >>
          >I have a very simple JavaScript image-swap which works on my end but
          >when uploaded to my host at http://buildit.sitesell.com/sunnyside.html
          >does not work.
          >>
          >To rule out all possible factors, I made up a dummy page for an
          >index.html to upload, along the lines of <html><head><ti tle></title></
          >head><body></body></html>.; the image-swap itself is your basic <img
          >src="blah.pn g" onMouseOver="bl eh.gif" onMouseOut="bla h.png">.
          >>
          >All file paths are correct; all image files have been uploaded; the
          >JavaScript itself, such as it is, is also correct.
          >>
          >That is to say, all very simple.
          >>
          >And still it doesn't work.
          >>
          >Now I contacted their customer/tech support, and only after three days
          >with the third rep was it acknowledged that I had a problem which they
          >ought to look into (at first they did the usual tech support thing
          >and, upon seeing the keyword "JavaScript " immediately disavowed any
          >responsibili ty for my situation, as if I was calling about third-party
          >software or something like that).
          >>
          >After another three days of not receiving my files that they asked me
          >to send, which I did via Yahoo!, they took a whole week to investigate
          >the matter
          >>
          >This is what I was told, in relevant part:
          >>
          >The issue is with how the absolute and relative links are
          >used, and our programmers have said (and tested) that
          >if you...
          >>
          >1. Upload a dummy file with all the images referenced
          >separately, i.e. in separate <img src ="..."tags
          >>
          >2. Make all the links absolute before uploading
          >>
          >...then what you want to achieve will be successful on
          >the live page.
          >>
          >>
          >Can someone parse that for me, please? I don't understand what's
          >being asked of me, exactly.
          >>
          >Am I really being asked to use absolute path-names? Couldn't that
          >prove very messy down the road should I decide to move files/pages
          >around??
          >>
          >And, moreover, how am I supposed to use separate <imgtags for the
          >two image files that are to be used for an image-swap?? How would the
          >browser know to link the two in the manner of an image-swap if
          >"distributed " over separate <imgtags??
          >>
          >And is it perhaps somehow too much for me to expect my webpages to
          >upload "as is" -- or is it not unusual for a webhost to have
          >particular requirements about how such things need to be?? SBI! is my
          >first webhost so I really don't know what industry standards would be.
          >
          bleh.gif would never be parsed as a valid function. By any scripting
          engine.
          >
          <img src="blah.png" onMouseOver="th is.src='bleh.gi f';"
          onMouseOut="thi s.src='blah.png ';"will work.
          >
          Yet the support is plain clueless. Dump'em. Find yourself a real
          hosting service - or host it yourself, all you need is static ip from
          your 'net provider. Even plain XP can support up to 80 concurrent
          connections - enough for an amateur site. Need more? Get
          Linux/Apache for free, or eMule WinServer2003 - Bill Gates surely will
          not go broke without your license fee.
          >
          NNN
          >
          The hosting company's job is to keep servers running, not troubleshoot
          our code. I would never expect a hosting company to be knowledgeable
          about javascript or any other language.

          And hosting it yourself is the worst thing you can do. What happens if
          your phone line goes down? Your power goes out? Your server hangs
          while you are at work - or worse yet, on vacation. Additionally, it may
          be a violation of your ISP's TOS (and they may even have port 80 blocked
          for incoming requests).

          Plus you wouldn't get support for your javascript.

          Hosting is a commodity. But don't expect the hosting company to do what
          you're not paying for.

          --
          =============== ===
          Remove the "x" from my email address
          Jerry Stuckle
          JDS Computer Training Corp.
          jstucklex@attgl obal.net
          =============== ===

          Comment

          • SAZ

            #6
            Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

            In article <70e2516c-e4c7-455b-9cfe-ca3d4399c2f0
            @k37g2000hsf.go oglegroups.com> , prisoner_at_war @yahoo.com says...
            >
            Friends, your opinions and advice, please:
            >
            I have a very simple JavaScript image-swap which works on my end but
            when uploaded to my host at http://buildit.sitesell.com/sunnyside.html
            does not work.
            >
            To rule out all possible factors, I made up a dummy page for an
            index.html to upload, along the lines of <html><head><ti tle></title></
            head><body></body></html>.; the image-swap itself is your basic <img
            src="blah.png" onMouseOver="bl eh.gif" onMouseOut="bla h.png">.
            >
            All file paths are correct; all image files have been uploaded; the
            JavaScript itself, such as it is, is also correct.
            >
            That is to say, all very simple.
            >
            And still it doesn't work.
            >
            Now I contacted their customer/tech support, and only after three days
            with the third rep was it acknowledged that I had a problem which they
            ought to look into (at first they did the usual tech support thing
            and, upon seeing the keyword "JavaScript " immediately disavowed any
            responsibility for my situation, as if I was calling about third-party
            software or something like that).
            >
            After another three days of not receiving my files that they asked me
            to send, which I did via Yahoo!, they took a whole week to investigate
            the matter
            >
            This is what I was told, in relevant part:
            >
            The issue is with how the absolute and relative links are
            used, and our programmers have said (and tested) that
            if you...
            >
            1. Upload a dummy file with all the images referenced
            separately, i.e. in separate <img src ="..."tags
            >
            2. Make all the links absolute before uploading
            >
            ...then what you want to achieve will be successful on
            the live page.
            >
            >
            Can someone parse that for me, please? I don't understand what's
            being asked of me, exactly.
            >
            Am I really being asked to use absolute path-names? Couldn't that
            prove very messy down the road should I decide to move files/pages
            around??
            >
            And, moreover, how am I supposed to use separate <imgtags for the
            two image files that are to be used for an image-swap?? How would the
            browser know to link the two in the manner of an image-swap if
            "distribute d" over separate <imgtags??
            >
            And is it perhaps somehow too much for me to expect my webpages to
            upload "as is" -- or is it not unusual for a webhost to have
            particular requirements about how such things need to be?? SBI! is my
            first webhost so I really don't know what industry standards would be.
            >
            It's not uncommon for a Hosting Tech Dept to walk away from a script you
            wrote, as it really isn't their problem - especially Javascript, which
            is client-side. By responding at all, they were actually going above
            and beyond what could reasonably be expected.

            Comment

            • Sherman Pendley

              #7
              Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

              Ben C <spamspam@spam. eggswrites:
              On 2008-05-08, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_wa r@yahoo.comwrot e:
              >>
              >Friends, your opinions and advice, please:
              >>
              >I have a very simple JavaScript image-swap which works on my end but
              >when uploaded to my host at http://buildit.sitesell.com/sunnyside.html
              >does not work.
              >>
              >To rule out all possible factors, I made up a dummy page for an
              >index.html to upload, along the lines of <html><head><ti tle></title></
              >head><body></body></html>.; the image-swap itself is your basic <img
              >src="blah.pn g" onMouseOver="bl eh.gif" onMouseOut="bla h.png">.
              >
              Doesn't onmouseover etc. have to be a script, not just the name of
              another image?
              One could write a popup script that would scan the DOM in the domReady
              event, and replace the image names with real event handler closures
              that load the named images.

              I'm doing a similar feature on a site I'm working on right now - I
              include a script at the top of the page, and links that include a "rel"
              attribute value are modified through the DOM to add an onClick event
              that is handled by loading the target with AJAX and displaying it in a
              popup div.

              Since the pieces that make the page reliant on JavaScript are added by
              a JavaScript event handler, on browsers that don't do JavaScript by
              design or by user choice, the links will remain ordinary links. That
              makes this technique a good way to build in a graceful fallback.

              Perhaps Prisoner was using a script at one time that did this kind of
              on the fly modification, and is now using one for which he needs to
              insert a more traditional function call into the event attributes.
              >Now I contacted their customer/tech support, and only after three days
              >with the third rep was it acknowledged that I had a problem which they
              >ought to look into (at first they did the usual tech support thing
              >and, upon seeing the keyword "JavaScript " immediately disavowed any
              >responsibili ty for my situation, as if I was calling about third-party
              >software or something like that).
              >
              It's not like the JavaScript is running on their server, so it shouldn't
              make any difference to them.
              This is a free hosting service, right? They could be inserting content,
              like banner ads or something, in return for free hosting. I can well
              imagine a banner ad with a mouseover script. And I can well imagine a
              mouseover script being packaged this way. It needs JavaScript to
              function anyway, so using JS to connect the event handlers is no
              additional burden. It's certainly valid HTML. And it's a bit less
              error prone; end users can use it who don't know a bit of JavaScript.

              sherm--

              --
              My blog: http://shermspace.blogspot.com
              Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net

              Comment

              • Sherman Pendley

                #8
                Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

                Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attg lobal.netwrites :
                The hosting company's job is to keep servers running, not troubleshoot
                our code. I would never expect a hosting company to be knowledgeable
                about javascript or any other language.
                I couldn't agree more!

                Of course, having worked the phones in a "full service" hosting provider
                that *did* offer that kind of support, in the full swing of the boom of
                the 90s, I'm kind of biased on the subject. :-)
                And hosting it yourself is the worst thing you can do. What happens
                if your phone line goes down? Your power goes out? Your server hangs
                while you are at work - or worse yet, on vacation.
                That depends. If it's a hobby site, the answer to those questions may
                well be, who cares. I can fix it when I get back, the line gets fixed,
                or whatever. Baby pictures don't really need five nines uptime.
                Additionally, it
                may be a violation of your ISP's TOS (and they may even have port 80
                blocked for incoming requests).
                I'd be far more concerned with that aspect of it that the reliability.

                Also, many ISPs offer web space to their customers, many of them for
                free.

                sherm--

                --
                My blog: http://shermspace.blogspot.com
                Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net

                Comment

                • Richard Cornford

                  #9
                  Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

                  nobody@nowhere. net wrote:
                  On Thu, 8 May 2008 13:54:01 -0700 (PDT), Prisoner at War wrote:
                  <snip>
                  ><img src="blah.png" onMouseOver="bl eh.gif"
                  onMouseOut="bla h.png">.
                  <snip>
                  bleh.gif would never be parsed as a valid function.
                  By any scripting engine.
                  <snip>

                  The values of intrinsic event attributes are not parsed as functions,
                  they are parsed as function bodies, and - bleh.gif - is a valid function
                  body. It is a single expression statement consisting of a dot notation
                  property accessor. Pointless, and unlikely to execute without error, but
                  still completely valid.

                  Richard.

                  Comment

                  • Prisoner at War

                    #10
                    Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please


                    Erratum:

                    I had neglected the "src" attribute in my post above (though not on
                    the actual webpage at issue)"

                    <img name="image" id="image" src=pic1.gif"
                    onMouseOver="do cument.getEleme ntById('image') .src='pic2.gif; '"
                    onMouseOut="doc ument.getElemen tById('image'). src='pic1.gif;' " />

                    Comment

                    • Prisoner at War

                      #11
                      Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

                      On May 8, 8:33 pm, "nob...@nowhere .net" <mygarbage2...@ hotmail.com>
                      wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      bleh.gif would never be parsed as a valid function. By any scripting
                      engine.
                      Remember, I'd reported that it works on my end perfectly.
                      <img src="blah.png" onMouseOver="th is.src='bleh.gi f';"
                      onMouseOut="thi s.src='blah.png ';"will work.
                      Okay, sorry, I was dabbling in a bit of my own short-hand notation
                      there; the actual HTML/JavaScript used was

                      <img name="image" id="image" src=pic1.gif"
                      onMouseOver="do cument.getEleme ntById('image') .src='pic2.gif; '"
                      onMouseOut="doc ument.getElemen tById('image'). src='pic1.gif;' " />
                      Yet the support is plain clueless. Dump'em. Find yourself a real
                      hosting service - or host it yourself, all you need is static ip from
                      your 'net provider. Even plain XP can support up to 80 concurrent
                      connections - enough for an amateur site. Need more? Get
                      Linux/Apache for free, or eMule WinServer2003 - Bill Gates surely will
                      not go broke without your license fee.
                      Well, I do want to put a website before I delve into how to host one
                      myself -- if I'd ever even go that far, actually (it's interesting,
                      but I'd probably rather use the time to learn Photoshop or something,
                      you see).

                      Any webhosts you might recommend? For a newbie who's growing in
                      knowledge and ability, yet doesn't plan on progressing beyond some
                      "intermedia te" level of expertise in general. I'm souring on SBI!
                      because of a number of reasons, this little image-swap weirdness being
                      one of them.
                      NNN

                      Comment

                      • Sherman Pendley

                        #12
                        Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

                        Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_wa r@yahoo.comwrit es:
                        On May 8, 11:57 pm, Sherman Pendley <spamt...@dot-app.orgwrote:
                        >>
                        >One could write a popup script that would scan the DOM in the domReady
                        >event, and replace the image names with real event handler closures
                        >that load the named images.
                        >>
                        >I'm doing a similar feature on a site I'm working on right now
                        >
                        Interesting project you're attempting there
                        I didn't say "attempting ," I said "doing." :-)

                        I'm not trying to be snooty or anything, I understand that what I'm
                        talking about here would be hard for a newbie. I'm just saying, I'm not
                        a newbie, nor am I describing something I mean to attempt and hope will
                        work - I'm talking from experience about a working site.

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                        • Prisoner at War

                          #13
                          Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

                          On May 9, 12:36 pm, Sherman Pendley <spamt...@dot-app.orgwrote:
                          >
                          >
                          I'm not trying to be snooty or anything, I understand that what I'm
                          talking about here would be hard for a newbie. I'm just saying, I'm not
                          a newbie, nor am I describing something I mean to attempt and hope will
                          work - I'm talking from experience about a working site.
                          Ah, um, didn't mean "attempting " in a literal sense.

                          So who's your webhost??
                          sherm--
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                          • Sherman Pendley

                            #14
                            Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

                            Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_wa r@yahoo.comwrit es:
                            On May 9, 12:36 pm, Sherman Pendley <spamt...@dot-app.orgwrote:
                            >>
                            >>
                            >I'm not trying to be snooty or anything, I understand that what I'm
                            >talking about here would be hard for a newbie. I'm just saying, I'm not
                            >a newbie, nor am I describing something I mean to attempt and hope will
                            >work - I'm talking from experience about a working site.
                            >
                            Ah, um, didn't mean "attempting " in a literal sense.
                            Sorry, I misunderstood.
                            So who's your webhost??
                            I use DreamHost - $120/year, more space and transfer than any ten sites of
                            mine will need, and FastCGI support. The latter is a very nice feature if
                            your vocabulary includes the words Rails or Catalyst, and it's unusual to
                            find at that price.

                            sherm--

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                            • nobody@nowhere.net

                              #15
                              Re: My Very Strange Webhost, SBI! -- Opinions, Please

                              On Fri, 9 May 2008 07:21:01 -0700 (PDT), Prisoner at War
                              <prisoner_at_wa r@yahoo.comwrot e:
                              >On May 8, 8:33 pm, "nob...@nowhere .net" <mygarbage2...@ hotmail.com>
                              >wrote:
                              >>
                              >>
                              >bleh.gif would never be parsed as a valid function. By any scripting
                              >engine.
                              >
                              >Remember, I'd reported that it works on my end perfectly.
                              >
                              ><img src="blah.png" onMouseOver="th is.src='bleh.gi f';"
                              >onMouseOut="th is.src='blah.pn g';"will work.
                              >
                              >Okay, sorry, I was dabbling in a bit of my own short-hand notation
                              >there; the actual HTML/JavaScript used was
                              >
                              ><img name="image" id="image" src=pic1.gif"
                              >onMouseOver="d ocument.getElem entById('image' ).src='pic2.gif ;'"
                              >onMouseOut="do cument.getEleme ntById('image') .src='pic1.gif; '" />
                              >
                              >Yet the support is plain clueless. Dump'em. Find yourself a real
                              >hosting service - or host it yourself, all you need is static ip from
                              >your 'net provider. Even plain XP can support up to 80 concurrent
                              >connections - enough for an amateur site. Need more? Get
                              >Linux/Apache for free, or eMule WinServer2003 - Bill Gates surely will
                              >not go broke without your license fee.
                              >
                              >Well, I do want to put a website before I delve into how to host one
                              >myself -- if I'd ever even go that far, actually (it's interesting,
                              >but I'd probably rather use the time to learn Photoshop or something,
                              >you see).
                              >
                              >Any webhosts you might recommend? For a newbie who's growing in
                              >knowledge and ability, yet doesn't plan on progressing beyond some
                              >"intermediat e" level of expertise in general. I'm souring on SBI!
                              >because of a number of reasons, this little image-swap weirdness being
                              >one of them.
                              >
                              Dunno... The sites I worked on are mostly hosted on corporate
                              intranets. The only one open to Internet was also hosted by a big
                              corp - that was their online ordering system. And I still have not
                              found time to put together my own private site.

                              NNN

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