4.01 Compliance Help

**Darin McGrew** · Jan 4 '07, 06:05 PM

Re: 4.01 Compliance Help

<aljamala@gmail .comwrote:

line 88 column 7 - Warning: missing </formbefore <td>
it highlights this line: <form name="frmCurren cy" action=""
method="post">

It means that you need to put your entire table inside the form:
<form ...><table ...>...</table></form>

or you need to put your form entirely inside a TD element:
<td><form ...>...</form></td>

See also http://www.htmlhelp.com/faq/html/forms.html#form-tables
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Web Design Group, darin@htmlhelp. com, http://www.HTMLHelp.com/

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**Harlan Messinger** · Jan 4 '07, 06:45 PM

Re: 4.01 Compliance Help

Darin McGrew wrote:

<aljamala@gmail .comwrote:

>line 88 column 7 - Warning: missing </formbefore <td>
>it highlights this line: <form name="frmCurren cy" action=""
>method="post ">

>
It means that you need to put your entire table inside the form:
<form ...><table ...>...</table></form>
>
or you need to put your form entirely inside a TD element:
<td><form ...>...</form></td>

The problem's what the message says:

<td>
<form name="frmCurren cy" action="" method="post">
<td align="right" valign="top" nowrap>

where your form isn't fully nested inside a TD.

**aljamala@gmail.com** · Jan 4 '07, 07:05 PM

Re: 4.01 Compliance Help

Harlan Messinger wrote:

The problem's what the message says:
>
<td>
<form name="frmCurren cy" action="" method="post">
<td align="right" valign="top" nowrap>
>
where your form isn't fully nested inside a TD.

I changed it to what is below and I still get the same warning...Also,
when I try to put the table within the form as suggested earlier, it
looks great in Firefox but that isnt the case when I view the page in
IE...

<td>
<form name="frmCurren cy" action="" method="post">
<td align="right" valign="top" nowrap>
<div class="Bar">
<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0">
<tr>
<td width="146" align="right"
valign="bottom" ><img alt="Loading... Please wait."
src="/images/gradient.gif" style="display: none;" name="wait" id="wait"
align="absmiddl e" WIDTH="146" HEIGHT="10"><im g src="/images/spacer.gif"
width="5" alt=""></td>
<td width="5"><img src="/images/spacer.gif"
width="5" alt=""></td>
<td valign="bottom" >
</td>
<td width="5"><img src="/images/spacer.gif" width="5"
alt=""></td>
<td width="19"><a href="/home.asp"
onmouseover="ch angeImages('btn Home', '/images/home-over.gif'); return
true;" onmouseout="cha ngeImages('btnH ome', '/images/home.gif'); return
true;"><img alt="Return to Portfolio Summary" name="btnHome"
src="/images/home.gif" width="19" height="19" border="0"
align="bottom"> </a></td>

</tr>
</table>
</div>

</td>
</form>
</td>

**Jukka K. Korpela** · Jan 4 '07, 07:15 PM

Re: 4.01 Compliance Help

Scripsit aljamala@gmail. com:

I changed it to what is below and I still get the same warning...

You still have wrong nesting, against the advice you got. Besides, you
should have posted the _URL_ from the beginning and specified which software
gave you the warning - surely not a validator, since such nesting errors are
reportable markup _errors_.

--
Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

**Harlan Messinger** · Jan 4 '07, 07:15 PM

Re: 4.01 Compliance Help

aljamala@gmail. com wrote:

Harlan Messinger wrote:

>The problem's what the message says:
>>
> <td>
> <form name="frmCurren cy" action="" method="post">
> <td align="right" valign="top" nowrap>
>>
>where your form isn't fully nested inside a TD.

>
I changed it to what is below and I still get the same warning

Because what is below (which I've deleted) still has

<td>
<form name="frmCurren cy" action="" method="post">
<td align="right" valign="top" nowrap>

where the form not entirely contained within the TD it starts in. So of
course the result is the same.

...Also,
when I try to put the table within the form as suggested earlier, it
looks great in Firefox but that isnt the case when I view the page in
IE...

Sorry, I'm not going to read your code and guess what it looks like in
two browsers.

**aljamala@gmail.com** · Jan 4 '07, 07:15 PM

Re: 4.01 Compliance Help

Harlan Messinger wrote:

Because what is below (which I've deleted) still has
>
<td>
<form name="frmCurren cy" action="" method="post">
<td align="right" valign="top" nowrap>
>
where the form not entirely contained within the TD it starts in. So of
course the result is the same.
>

Sorry, I don't think I get what you are driving at....can you clarify?

...Also,
when I try to put the table within the form as suggested earlier, it
looks great in Firefox but that isnt the case when I view the page in
IE...

>
Sorry, I'm not going to read your code and guess what it looks like in
two browsers.

I never asked anybody to, I would gladly give out the URL, but its an
intranet site.

**aljamala@gmail.com** · Jan 4 '07, 07:25 PM

Re: 4.01 Compliance Help

Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

You still have wrong nesting, against the advice you got. Besides, you
should have posted the _URL_ from the beginning and specified which software
gave you the warning - surely not a validator, since such nesting errors are
reportable markup _errors_.

Tidy plugin for Firefox is the validator I am using. As I already
mentioned, its an intranet site so which is why I havent posted the URL.

**aljamala@gmail.com** · Jan 4 '07, 07:25 PM

Re: 4.01 Compliance Help

Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

You still have wrong nesting, against the advice you got. Besides, you
should have posted the _URL_ from the beginning and specified which software
gave you the warning - surely not a validator, since such nesting errors are
reportable markup _errors_.

I am trying to get what the advice is....Tidy plugin for Firefox is the
validator I am using. As I already mentioned, its an intranet site so
which is why I havent posted the URL.

**Jukka K. Korpela** · Jan 4 '07, 08:05 PM

Re: 4.01 Compliance Help

Scripsit aljamala@gmail. com:

Tidy plugin for Firefox is the validator I am using.

It is not a validator.

As I already mentioned,

Well, not really.

its an intranet site so which is why I havent posted the
URL.

So you don't have a question about WWW authoring, do you? But you might get
help with intranet issues from all the friendly people here, if you posted
in a better way, after uploading a demo page onto a web server.

--
Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

**Toby Inkster** · Jan 4 '07, 08:05 PM

Re: 4.01 Compliance Help

aljamala wrote:

line 88 column 7 - Warning: missing </formbefore <td>
it highlights this line: <form name="frmCurren cy" action=""
method="post">

You have (summarising):

<td><form></td>
<td></td>

</form>
</tr>
</table>

When nesting elements, each element must be entirely contained within its
parent. That is, you can have:

<em>....<strong >..</strong>....</em>

because the STRONG element is entirely within the EM element, but you
cannot have:

<em>....<strong >..</em>....</strong>

because the STRONG element is not entirely within the EM element.

Here your FORM element is not entirely within the TD element. The
validator expects the FORM element to be entirely within the TD element,
so it expects to see "</form>" before the table cell ends. It doesn't, so
it complains about a missing "</form>" tag.

This is further complicated by the fact that you have ommitted several
"</td>" tags. These are optional according to the HTML 4.01 spec, but it
certainly helps to clarify where one cell ends and another begins. And in
a deeply nested set of tables like this, I'd certainly recommend including
them.

--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact

**Darin McGrew** · Jan 4 '07, 08:05 PM

Re: 4.01 Compliance Help

Harlan Messinger wrote:

>Because what is below (which I've deleted) still has
>>
> <td>
> <form name="frmCurren cy" action="" method="post">
> <td align="right" valign="top" nowrap>
>>
>where the form not entirely contained within the TD it starts in. So of
>course the result is the same.

<aljamala@gmail .comwrote:

Sorry, I don't think I get what you are driving at....can you clarify?

The closing </tdtag is optional. Since a TD element cannot be nested
inside another TD element, opening a new TD closes the previous one. The
excerpt quoted in Harlan's post is equivalent to

<td>
<form name="frmCurren cy" action="" method="post">
</td>
<td align="right" valign="top" nowrap>

The closing </formtag is not optional, so the validator reports an error.
--
Darin McGrew, mcgrew@stanford alumni.org, http://www.rahul.net/mcgrew/
Web Design Group, darin@htmlhelp. com, http://www.HTMLHelp.com/

"Not all those that wander are lost." - J.R.R. Tolkein

**Martin Clark** · Jan 4 '07, 08:25 PM

Re: 4.01 Compliance Help

aljamala@gmail. com wrote...

><img alt="Loading... Please wait."

Well, for informative alt text, that takes the biscuit!
--
Martin Clark

**Harlan Messinger** · Jan 4 '07, 08:45 PM

Re: 4.01 Compliance Help

aljamala@gmail. com wrote:

Harlan Messinger wrote:

>Because what is below (which I've deleted) still has
>>
> <td>
> <form name="frmCurren cy" action="" method="post">
> <td align="right" valign="top" nowrap>
>>
>where the form not entirely contained within the TD it starts in. So of
>course the result is the same.
>>

>
Sorry, I don't think I get what you are driving at....can you clarify?

A form cannot be split up into pieces. It has to be entirely nested in
whatever container it starts in. If it starts in a DIV, it has to end in
the same DIV. If it starts in a TD, it has to end in the same TD. Your
form starts in one TD, and then the next TD begins before the form has
ended, so the form is not entirely contained in the TD in which it starts.

**aljamala@gmail.com** · Jan 4 '07, 08:55 PM

Re: 4.01 Compliance Help

Darin McGrew wrote:

The closing </tdtag is optional. Since a TD element cannot be nested
inside another TD element, opening a new TD closes the previous one. The
excerpt quoted in Harlan's post is equivalent to
>
<td>
<form name="frmCurren cy" action="" method="post">
</td>
<td align="right" valign="top" nowrap>
>
The closing </formtag is not optional, so the validator reports an error.

Thanks to all who replied....that clarifies it for me! I was able to
get rid of those warnings.

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