How to make font size constant in HTML

[Daniel R. Tobias]

Re: Supporting IE (was: Re: How to make font size constant in HTML)

Lachlan Hunt <spam.my.gspot@ gmail.com> wrote in message news:<U7Tmd.398 14$K7.19605@new s-server.bigpond. net.au>...[color=blue]
> C A Upsdell wrote:[color=green]
> > I have a site targeting web designers, and only 31% of visitors use
> > Gecko-based browsers. 58% use IE.[/color]
>
> That is sad. But, at least that's not bad considering just over 90% use
> IE worldwide, and it's better than W3Schools, which still has about
> 70% IE users.[/color]

The figures on some of my own "techie-oriented" sites:

Dan's Web Tips: 31.97% Gecko, 47.40% MSIE
Dan's Domain Name Site: 11.98% Gecko, 50.69% MSIE
Dan's Mail Format Site: 46.63% Gecko, 40.99% MSIE

The less techie-ish audience for the tatiana.info site (about a
Hispanic singer/actress) breaks down as 6.09% Gecko, 84.87% MSIE.

--
Dan

[Brian]

Re: How to make font size constant in HTML

Lachlan Hunt wrote:[color=blue]
> Brian wrote:
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>> Lachlan Hunt wrote:
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>>> So what? I am not concerned about buggy behaviours in broken
>>> browsers,[/color]
>>
>> That's nice, but do you author for yourself or for your visitors?[/color]
>
> The target audience for my site is web developers that should know
> better,[/color]

Should they be punished if their employers don't "know better"? I've
worked more than a couple of jobs where MSIE/Win was the only choice.
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> I have not received any complaints and my site is still perfectly
> accessible, it just doesn't render as nicely in IE.[/color]

That seems much more sensible then you first let on ("I don't support
buggy browsers" made me wonder if MSIE/Win users could reasonably access
the site at all!).
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>> It is rather trivial to change font-size: 1em to font-size: 100%.
>> Your css will still conform, and your visitors may be happier for
>> it.[/color]
>
> That is true, but there is little point setting font size to 100%, or
> even 1em on the body element, since it's the default size.[/color]

Actually, there is: to avoid an MSIE/Win bug with resizing fonts. This
bug can affect font size as well as widths and margins set in em units.
Sure, you could opt to stick it to MSIE/Win users, but why would you
want to do that?
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> However, I generally use the font-size keywords anyway because they
> don't compound like percentages do, making them easier to manage.[/color]

Except that not all browsers handle them the same way.

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Brian (remove "invalid" to email me)

[Nisse Engström]

Re: Supporting IE (was: Re: How to make font size constant in HTML)

Daniel R. Tobias<dan@tobi as.name> wrote:[color=blue]
>
> The figures on some of my own "techie-oriented" sites:
>
> Dan's Web Tips: 31.97% Gecko, 47.40% MSIE
> Dan's Domain Name Site: 11.98% Gecko, 50.69% MSIE
> Dan's Mail Format Site: 46.63% Gecko, 40.99% MSIE[/color]

Unfortunately, your browser detection script leaves some
to be desired, as it identified one of my U-A strings:

"Opera/7.54#3865 Windows/98SE Proxomitron/4.3 Kerio/2.1.5
HTML/4.01 XHTML/1.1 CSS/2.1 DOM/1 (mostly) ECMAScript
(occasionally) Java/1.4.2_02 (almost never) Flash
(almost never) (Active-X (Hah!)) (Enough chatting for now,
though. Have a nice day)"

as 'Casio PDA' or somesuch. Who knows what your numbers
really mean. :-)
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> The less techie-ish audience for the tatiana.info site (about a
> Hispanic singer/actress) breaks down as 6.09% Gecko, 84.87% MSIE.[/color]

Thanks. I was going to ask what the numbers would look
like for a /well written/ (I haven't checked) commercial,
or at least non-technical, site. Less than 90% is perfectly
non-atrocious.

--n

[Goran Larsson]

Re: Supporting IE (was: Re: How to make font size constant in HTML)

In article <aab17256.04111 80926.192346c4@ posting.google. com>,
Daniel R. Tobias <dan@tobias.nam e> wrote:
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> Dan's Web Tips: 31.97% Gecko, 47.40% MSIE
> Dan's Domain Name Site: 11.98% Gecko, 50.69% MSIE
> Dan's Mail Format Site: 46.63% Gecko, 40.99% MSIE[/color]

What about robots? Is the hits from robots included in the numbers?

My site has (since start of November) 72% MSIE and 8% Gecko if robots
are included and 81% MSIE and 9% Gecko if robots are excluded.

User Agent Robots Included Robots Excluded
------------------------- ----------------- -----------------
Opera 1.6% 1.8%

Gecko 7.7% 8.6%
Camino 0.0% 0.1%
Firefox 5.1% 5.7%
Other 2.6% 2.9%

Mozilla (non-Gecko) 3.7% 4.2%

KHTML 2.8% 3.1%
Safari 2.6% 2.9%
Konqueror 0.2% 0.2%
Other 0.0% 0.0%

MSIE 71.9% 80.8%

Other 1.3% 1.5%

Robots 11.0%
Validators 0.0%

--
Göran Larsson http://www.mitt-eget.com/