Is VB Caca??

[Don]

I realize that this may sound like a troll but it is not intended to
be.

I haven't been reading this group but I've seen a number of
vociferious postings lately saying that "vb dotnet doesn't work".

Is that a widely held belief or is it just the same complaning that
goes on with all development tools??

Thanks,

Don
Bothell, WA

[Scott M.]

Re: Is VB Caca??

I'm not sure I would say that there are a number of postings indicating
VB.NET doesn't work in the first place.

Of course it works. Not to mention that VB.NET isn't a development tool,
it's a programming language. Visual Studio .NET is a development tool.



"Don" <don81846@NO_Ca Ca.Earthlink.ne twrote in message
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>
I realize that this may sound like a troll but it is not intended to
be.
>
I haven't been reading this group but I've seen a number of
vociferious postings lately saying that "vb dotnet doesn't work".
>
Is that a widely held belief or is it just the same complaning that
goes on with all development tools??
>
Thanks,
>
Don
Bothell, WA

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6ran_Andersson?=]

Re: Is VB Caca??

Don wrote:

I realize that this may sound like a troll but it is not intended to
be.
>
I haven't been reading this group but I've seen a number of
vociferious postings lately saying that "vb dotnet doesn't work".
>
Is that a widely held belief or is it just the same complaning that
goes on with all development tools??
>
Thanks,
>
Don
Bothell, WA

It's mostly just the ordinary complaints from people who don't really
understand what they are complaining about.

VB.NET does work, and pretty well too. Personally I don't care much for
the VB language, but I must still say that VB.NET is a huge leap forward
from VB 6. VB.NET is a truly object oriented language, which is a big
difference from the hardly more than pathetic support for object
orientation in VB 6.

VB.NET still suffers a bit from the BASIC syntax, and also some
sacrifices has been made to keep the syntax more like VB 6, but nothing
so serious as to say that it doesn't work.

--
Göran Andersson
_____

http://www.guffa.com

[Mike Hofer]

Re: Is VB Caca??

On Mar 17, 4:24 pm, Göran Andersson <g...@guffa.com wrote:

Don wrote:

I realize that this may sound like a troll but it is not intended to
be.

>

I haven't been reading this group but I've seen a number of
vociferious postings lately saying that "vb dotnet doesn't work".

>

Is that a widely held belief or is it just the same complaning that
goes on with all development tools??

>

Thanks,

>

Don
Bothell, WA

>
It's mostly just the ordinary complaints from people who don't really
understand what they are complaining about.
>
VB.NET does work, and pretty well too. Personally I don't care much for
the VB language, but I must still say that VB.NET is a huge leap forward
from VB 6. VB.NET is a truly object oriented language, which is a big
difference from the hardly more than pathetic support for object
orientation in VB 6.
>
VB.NET still suffers a bit from the BASIC syntax, and also some
sacrifices has been made to keep the syntax more like VB 6, but nothing
so serious as to say that it doesn't work.
>
--
Göran Andersson
_____http://www.guffa.com

It's probably worth noting that a key difference between VB6 and
VB.NET is this:

VB6 is object-BASED. It supports objects, but is not truly object-
oriented.

VB.NET is a full-fledged object-oriented language, supporting all of
the standard OOP principles, though many of the commonly accepted
terms have different names (Shared in lieu of static, for instance).

Further, all VB.NET code compiles down to IL, just as C# code does. It
also references the full body of the .NET Framework, just as C# does.
So, as others have pointed out, the difference between VB.NET and
other .NET languages is simply a matter of syntax and user preference.

(Having said that, there are also minor differences in how efficient
the IL is that is generated for certain keywords and operators, but
those differences are minor in the extreme, and rarely become the
deciding factor in language selection.)

Mike

[RobinS]

Re: Is VB Caca??


"Göran Andersson" <guffa@guffa.co mwrote in message
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Don wrote:

>I realize that this may sound like a troll but it is not intended to
>be.
>>
>I haven't been reading this group but I've seen a number of
>vociferious postings lately saying that "vb dotnet doesn't work".
>>
>Is that a widely held belief or is it just the same complaning that
>goes on with all development tools??
>>
>Thanks,
>>
>Don
>Bothell, WA

>
It's mostly just the ordinary complaints from people who don't really
understand what they are complaining about.
>
VB.NET does work, and pretty well too. Personally I don't care much for
the VB language, but I must still say that VB.NET is a huge leap forward
from VB 6. VB.NET is a truly object oriented language, which is a big
difference from the hardly more than pathetic support for object
orientation in VB 6.
>
VB.NET still suffers a bit from the BASIC syntax, and also some
sacrifices has been made to keep the syntax more like VB 6, but nothing
so serious as to say that it doesn't work.
>
--
Göran Andersson
_____
http://www.guffa.com

Why do you hang out here if you don't like VB?

Just wondering,
Robin S.

[RobinS]

Re: Is VB Caca??


"Don" <don81846@NO_Ca Ca.Earthlink.ne twrote in message
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>
I realize that this may sound like a troll but it is not intended to
be.
>
I haven't been reading this group but I've seen a number of
vociferious postings lately saying that "vb dotnet doesn't work".
>
Is that a widely held belief or is it just the same complaning that
goes on with all development tools??
>
Thanks,
>
Don
Bothell, WA

It's not a widely held belief. Any post you see by aaronkempf, susiedba,
dbahooker, larrylinson, or todos menos are all aaronkempf. He often posts
responses to himself, just to get the threads going. He thinks that by
posting abusive language and complaints, he can get Microsoft to revert to
VB6.

Robin S.

[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

Re: Is VB Caca??

Don,

I almost never used VB6 and I have hated Basic.

VBNet is not to compare with any of those. It is a new language, which is
able to use most good things from the latter program languages.

However it skipped the legacy problems from C and VB style languages.

Samples

You are able to declare inside a very deep scope without assigning
Your code is checked in a very deep way while typing.

Both I miss very much in C#

Just my opinion.

Cor

[Tom Leylan]

Re: Is VB Caca??

Göran Andersson speaks the truth. :-)
You have my vote.

"Göran Andersson" <guffa@guffa.co mwrote..

It's mostly just the ordinary complaints from people who don't really
understand what they are complaining about.
>
VB.NET does work, and pretty well too. Personally I don't care much for
the VB language, but I must still say that VB.NET is a huge leap forward
from VB 6. VB.NET is a truly object oriented language, which is a big
difference from the hardly more than pathetic support for object
orientation in VB 6.
>
VB.NET still suffers a bit from the BASIC syntax, and also some sacrifices
has been made to keep the syntax more like VB 6, but nothing so serious as
to say that it doesn't work.
>
--
Göran Andersson
_____
http://www.guffa.com

[Tom Leylan]

Re: Is VB Caca??

"RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam. yah.nonewrote..

Why do you hang out here if you don't like VB?

Hi Robin: I realize your question was directed to Göran but I thought I'd
take a stab at it since you seem like a reasonable person. Notwithstanding
your attempts in microsoft.publi c.dotnet.genera l to get people to stop
posting questions about why their modem won't dial and such :-)

Let me start with an example. Somebody asks "what do you think of Los
Angeles" and someone replies "the smog is pretty bad". The reply to that
guy shouldn't be "if you hate it so much why do you live in the United
States?" Why? Because LA is in fact smoggy. There are valid reasons for
living there anyway but that doesn't change the fact that it has a smog
problem.

VB syntax is quirky in a number of ways due to it's roots. They may not
seem quirky to a person who has only developed in VB but they are if you
step back and compare it to other languages in an unbiased manner. That
isn't easy, people have preferences and they tend to be passionate about
them. So (again as an example) no matter how stupid the design of .MEM
files was in dBASE II and dBASE III, people who used them called everybody
who pointed that out "a mindless idiot." Is the Python language's indent
sensitivity a good thing or a bad thing?

You've no doubt read a few of the threads here where the topic is LEN() or
UCASE(). If a person (let's say me) suggests the syntax is dated (and goes
out on a limb and suggests it was only retained to placate the VB6 folk)
that doesn't translate into "VB.Net is stupid". It could even be
interpreted as "you'd get more respect (if C# is considered as a language
that gets more respect) if the things that made it seem like a "toy
language" (those aren't my words) were eliminated."

Everything in life doesn't have to come down to a language war. One can
like Java fundamentally yet program in VB.Net for economic reasons and
should be able to point out "that's odd" without being asked to leave a
public newsgroup. The alternative to rational discussion is embodied in
"the cult of VB6 developer" where everybody must chant the same thing or be
branded a heretic. People have attempted to pull that nonsense here but I
believe the days of yelling "he's a witch" and having that work have
(thankfully) passed.

If I talk to a SmallTalk developer (and I have) and they proclaim there is
no better language on the face of the planet I tend to doubt them. Perhaps
there isn't for the type of software they write but by definition this can't
be the universal case. If there was no language betterin every case there
would be no other languages.

Tom

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6ran_Andersson?=]

Re: Is VB Caca??

RobinS wrote:

>
Why do you hang out here if you don't like VB?
>
Just wondering,
Robin S.
>

Just because I prefer C# myself, doesn't mean that I think less off
people only based on what language they use.

Most questions are about programming in general and methods in the
framework anyway, and that is the same regardless of the language used.

--
Göran Andersson
_____

http://www.guffa.com

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6ran_Andersson?=]

Re: Is VB Caca??

Cor Ligthert [MVP] wrote:

You are able to declare inside a very deep scope without assigning
Your code is checked in a very deep way while typing.
>
Both I miss very much in C#
>
Just my opinion.
>
Cor
>

I don't see how VB.NET is any different from C# in either of those aspects.

--
Göran Andersson
_____

http://www.guffa.com

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

Re: Is VB Caca??

"Göran Andersson" <guffa@guffa.co mschrieb:

Cor Ligthert [MVP] wrote:

>You are able to declare inside a very deep scope without assigning
>Your code is checked in a very deep way while typing.
>>
>Both I miss very much in C#

>
I don't see how VB.NET is any different from C# in either of those
aspects.

I assume Cor refers to VB's background compilation with the latter point, a
feature that is not present in C# currently.

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6ran_Andersson?=]

Re: Is VB Caca??

Herfried K. Wagner [MVP] wrote:

"Göran Andersson" <guffa@guffa.co mschrieb:

>Cor Ligthert [MVP] wrote:

>>You are able to declare inside a very deep scope without assigning
>>Your code is checked in a very deep way while typing.
>>>
>>Both I miss very much in C#

>>
>I don't see how VB.NET is any different from C# in either of those
>aspects.

>
I assume Cor refers to VB's background compilation with the latter
point, a feature that is not present in C# currently.
>

But it is.

--
Göran Andersson
_____

http://www.guffa.com

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

Re: Is VB Caca??

"Göran Andersson" <guffa@guffa.co mschrieb:

>>>You are able to declare inside a very deep scope without assigning
>>>Your code is checked in a very deep way while typing.
>>>>
>>>Both I miss very much in C#
>>>
>>I don't see how VB.NET is any different from C# in either of those
>>aspects.

>>
>I assume Cor refers to VB's background compilation with the latter point,
>a feature that is not present in C# currently.

>
But it is.

What? Background compilation and error detection on the fly as you type?

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>

[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

Re: Is VB Caca??

Goran

beside what Herfried wrote

A a very simple one, however is in my idea good maintanable
\\\
Dim x As Integer
While x < 10
x += 1
End While
///

\\\
int x;
while (x < 10)
{
x += 1;
}
///
As sample does not go,while it is very handy.

(Or maybe is there a setting I don't know)

Cor