VB.Net Rules!

[aaron.kempf@gmail.com]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

I disagree.

VB6 is not slightly more verbose.

VB6 is _HALF_ the verbosity

I mean all the crap for events; I mean fuck VB DOTNET

Re:
VB6 was a bit less verbose than VB.NET because it contained less
features. For example VB.NET is fully object oriented, which of
course
adds a whole bunch of new keywords.


VB6 _WAS_FULLY_OBJE CT_ORIENTED_ENO UGH_BUT_NOBODY_ USED_IT_
VB6 _WAS_FULLY_OBJE CT_ORIENTED_ENO UGH_BUT_NOBODY_ USED_IT_
VB6 _WAS_FULLY_OBJE CT_ORIENTED_ENO UGH_BUT_NOBODY_ USED_IT_
VB6 _WAS_FULLY_OBJE CT_ORIENTED_ENO UGH_BUT_NOBODY_ USED_IT_


why is it that 80% of vb6 programmers 'never built a class' but MS
held us down against our will and forced classes into our mouths?

I was RAPED BY MICROSOFT; WE SAID NO,NO,NO

AND NO MEANS NO

I WAS RAPED BY MICROSOFT AND I REFUSE TO SIT IDLY BY WHILE THEY SIT
THERE AND INVENT A NEW DIALECT OF VISUAL FRED



On Feb 18, 6:42 am, Göran Andersson <g...@guffa.com wrote:

pfc_s...@hotmai l.com wrote:

so.. c# is the solution to VB.net code verbosity?

>
Yes, the only solution to make VB.NET less verbose is to make it not
BASIC. ;)
>
As VB.NET is BASIC with added features like type safety and object
orientation, it gets verbose. Most features are added by adding keywords
to existing commands.
>
Take for example the Dim command. In the original form it was only used
to create arrays by specify their dimensions (hence the name):
>
DIM A(4)
>
Regular variables would not be declared at all, just created when used.
To allow for explicit declaring of varibles, the DIM command was altered
to also allow for declaring regular variables:
>
Dim B$
>
To add type safety, the As keyword was added to the command:
>
Dim B as String
>
Similar ways of adding keywords can be seen througout the language.
>

I thought that VB6 was.

>
VB6 was a bit less verbose than VB.NET because it contained less
features. For example VB.NET is fully object oriented, which of course
adds a whole bunch of new keywords.
>

I am not going to embrace dotnet until the next version; I've been
saying that for several releases now.

>

I just can't deal with a bloated IDE that crashes on me.
I refuse to do it.

>
Sadly you have no choise in the long run. VB6 is replaced by VB.NET, so
MS will drop the support for it entirely in a few years.
>
>
>

On Feb 16, 5:01 am, "Earl" <briks...@newsg roups.nospamwro te:

I miss VB6 and "classic" ADO ... but I aint going back. There are too many
new tools that make my life easier. I'm sure that was part of the Microsoft
master plan. However, if you like VB.Net, you would probably like C# even
more. The hands, wrists, and bursitis appreciate not having to type asmuch.

>

"Master Programmer" <master_program ...@outgun.comw rote in message

>

>news:uWxC0sUUH HA.868@TK2MSFTN GP05.phx.gbl...

>

>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorryif I
>offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

>
--
Göran Andersson
_____http://www.guffa.com

[aaron.kempf@gmail.com]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

re:
Sadly you have no choise in the long run. VB6 is replaced by VB.NET,
so
MS will drop the support for it entirely in a few years.


SO WHY IS IT THAT VB6 WORKS BETTER ON VISTA THAN VB 2002,2003 _AND_
2005?

The framework isn't on 10% of the real world desktops.

VB6 lives everywhere.

and for the record; vb.net does NOT have 1/4 of the functionality of
VB6

why can't I use VB.net scripts in SQL Server 2005 jobs?
why can't I save a DTS package as VB.net?
why can't I schedule a VBS file using Windows and written in VB.net?

DOTNET IS A PARTIAL SOLUTION AND THE IDE MOTHER FUCKING _SUCKS_ IT
CRASHES
YOU _DO_ HAVE A CHOICE

JOIN ME IN FLAMING MICROSOFT AND WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO DEMAND A REAL
VIABLE LANGUAGE.

IF ANYONE IS WILLING TO ADMIT THAT 'VB6 is not worth migrating' THEN
WE NEED A BETTER VB DOTNET


On Feb 18, 6:42 am, Göran Andersson <g...@guffa.com wrote:

pfc_s...@hotmai l.com wrote:

so.. c# is the solution to VB.net code verbosity?

>
Yes, the only solution to make VB.NET less verbose is to make it not
BASIC. ;)
>
As VB.NET is BASIC with added features like type safety and object
orientation, it gets verbose. Most features are added by adding keywords
to existing commands.
>
Take for example the Dim command. In the original form it was only used
to create arrays by specify their dimensions (hence the name):
>
DIM A(4)
>
Regular variables would not be declared at all, just created when used.
To allow for explicit declaring of varibles, the DIM command was altered
to also allow for declaring regular variables:
>
Dim B$
>
To add type safety, the As keyword was added to the command:
>
Dim B as String
>
Similar ways of adding keywords can be seen througout the language.
>

I thought that VB6 was.

>
VB6 was a bit less verbose than VB.NET because it contained less
features. For example VB.NET is fully object oriented, which of course
adds a whole bunch of new keywords.
>

I am not going to embrace dotnet until the next version; I've been
saying that for several releases now.

>

I just can't deal with a bloated IDE that crashes on me.
I refuse to do it.

>
Sadly you have no choise in the long run. VB6 is replaced by VB.NET, so
MS will drop the support for it entirely in a few years.
>
>
>

On Feb 16, 5:01 am, "Earl" <briks...@newsg roups.nospamwro te:

I miss VB6 and "classic" ADO ... but I aint going back. There are too many
new tools that make my life easier. I'm sure that was part of the Microsoft
master plan. However, if you like VB.Net, you would probably like C# even
more. The hands, wrists, and bursitis appreciate not having to type asmuch.

>

"Master Programmer" <master_program ...@outgun.comw rote in message

>

>news:uWxC0sUUH HA.868@TK2MSFTN GP05.phx.gbl...

>

>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorryif I
>offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

>
--
Göran Andersson
_____http://www.guffa.com

[aaron.kempf@gmail.com]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

classic ADO allows me to use temp tables.

this ADO.net _CRAP_ does not




On Feb 18, 6:42 am, Göran Andersson <g...@guffa.com wrote:

pfc_s...@hotmai l.com wrote:

so.. c# is the solution to VB.net code verbosity?

>
Yes, the only solution to make VB.NET less verbose is to make it not
BASIC. ;)
>
As VB.NET is BASIC with added features like type safety and object
orientation, it gets verbose. Most features are added by adding keywords
to existing commands.
>
Take for example the Dim command. In the original form it was only used
to create arrays by specify their dimensions (hence the name):
>
DIM A(4)
>
Regular variables would not be declared at all, just created when used.
To allow for explicit declaring of varibles, the DIM command was altered
to also allow for declaring regular variables:
>
Dim B$
>
To add type safety, the As keyword was added to the command:
>
Dim B as String
>
Similar ways of adding keywords can be seen througout the language.
>

I thought that VB6 was.

>
VB6 was a bit less verbose than VB.NET because it contained less
features. For example VB.NET is fully object oriented, which of course
adds a whole bunch of new keywords.
>

I am not going to embrace dotnet until the next version; I've been
saying that for several releases now.

>

I just can't deal with a bloated IDE that crashes on me.
I refuse to do it.

>
Sadly you have no choise in the long run. VB6 is replaced by VB.NET, so
MS will drop the support for it entirely in a few years.
>
>
>

On Feb 16, 5:01 am, "Earl" <briks...@newsg roups.nospamwro te:

I miss VB6 and "classic" ADO ... but I aint going back. There are too many
new tools that make my life easier. I'm sure that was part of the Microsoft
master plan. However, if you like VB.Net, you would probably like C# even
more. The hands, wrists, and bursitis appreciate not having to type asmuch.

>

"Master Programmer" <master_program ...@outgun.comw rote in message

>

>news:uWxC0sUUH HA.868@TK2MSFTN GP05.phx.gbl...

>

>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorryif I
>offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

>
--
Göran Andersson
_____http://www.guffa.com

[aaron.kempf@gmail.com]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

I'm not here to 'learn about dotnet'

I am here to build apps.

'learning about dotnet' does not feed me and my family
BUILDING APPLICATIONS DOES




On Feb 17, 1:07 pm, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote:

Seth,
>
Duly noted, good sir. :) Now, let's get back to actually learning about
.Net!
>
Bruce
>
"rowe_newsgroup s" <rowe_em...@yah oo.comwrote in message
>
news:1171725332 .751403.83820@m 58g2000cwm.goog legroups.com...
>
>
>

Good to hear! I would feel terrible if I caused someone to leave this
newsgroup - unless of course it was Aaron, but thats beside the point.
As far as troll warfare goes I completely support you in announcing to
poster Aaron is trolling what his aliases are and to ignore them. We
just need to be careful that we don't get confused on who is who
(which was probably Aaron's intent in using the Larry Linson
alias(es)) and incorrectly accuse each other of trolling. One useful
tool I found is looking at the poster's profile on Google Groups. If
you see a brand new account with the nick name "Seth Rowe" that is
only flaming newbies, you can be sure it isn't me!

>

Thanks,

>

Seth Rowe- Hide quoted text -

>
- Show quoted text -

[aaron.kempf@gmail.com]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

I don't recognize the action to 'rename this newsgroup' from
microsoft.publi c.vb to microsoft.publi c.dotnet.langua ges.vb

JUST LIKE THE LANGUAGE IT IS TOO VERBOSE

if MS TRULY ONLY HAS ONE VB then the newsgroup should be at
Microsoft.Publi c.VB





On Feb 17, 7:02 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote:

Seth,
>
I shall be more than happy to continue participating here. WAY too much good
information for me to just up and leave. No need for you to ever apologize
about what you have written. It's just my own frayed intellect that has
pushed me over the edge. :) Perhaps in the near future, I shall have
something other than 'goosing' the troll to contribute.
>
Bruce
>
"rowe_newsgroup s" <rowe_em...@yah oo.comwrote in message
>
news:1171716878 .486949.196130@ k78g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .
>
>
>

Bruce, I'm glad you understand what I meant to say - but you never
said if you were going to continue participating here. You are going
to right?

>

Thanks,

>

Seth Rowe

>

On Feb 17, 2:28 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote:

Robin,

>

Re-reading the post, I can see Seth's intent more clearly. What appears
to
be muddled is my own memory. The OP was actually MP, responded to by LL.
I've got to be more careful when I'm tired, as I seem to become senile
with
advancing exhaustion.

>

Shane,

>

Thanks for your comments as well. I have not, in any way, taken offence
at
what I interpreted from Seth's post. I'm far too old and realize that
life
is much too short to take offence at anyone. I do feel that I have
perhaps
offended some others here, however, and for that I am deeply sorry.

>

Everyone here has been a great source of help and inspiration for me.
Thanks
very much.

>

Bruce

>

"RobinS" <Rob...@NoSpam. yah.nonewrote in message

>

>news:d_CdneY1_ dVgPEvYnZ2dnUVZ _uKknZ2d@comcas t.com...

>

Bruce,

>

If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you,
you
should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgramme r who
supposedly was the original poster.

>

I think MasterProgramme r and AaronKempf are two different people, but I
think the first post was AK using MP's alias. MP hasn't been around
much
lately; he left the group a while back. I think it's just AK messing
around with us.

>

So maybe Seth will clarify. I hardly think you need to leave the group
simply because you were trying to help Zim understand that the post
from
was a troll, and Seth's comments surely don't pertain to you.

>

Robin S.
----------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote in message
news:t4SdnZkXoN yLB0vYnZ2dnUVZ_ hqdnZ2d@comcast .com...
Seth,

>

Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some
logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson,
stated how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by
one
susiedba, was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language,
followed by another post by another one of the unnamed one's
personalities stepping right behind the others. The only time ANY
posts
about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain unnamed' have not contained
any
vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has been when the poster has a
conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical definitions, he was
trolling in the opposite direction.

>

I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my
intentions
on this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things
sometimes, but my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to
try
to learn something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank
you
for your graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.

>

Bruce
"rowe_newsgroup s" <rowe_em...@yah oo.comwrote in message
>news:117163152 3.908725.301890 @v45g2000cwv.go oglegroups.com. ..
>>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et.
>>al.,
>>is
>>simply trolling with different bait.

>

>Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
>and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
>other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
>sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
>different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
>trashing.

>

>As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
>skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
>benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome
>you
>back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
>plonk you again...

>

>Thanks,

>

>Seth Rowe

>

>On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote:
>>Zim,

>

>>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et.
>>al.,
>>is
>>simply trolling with different bait.

>

>>Bruce

>

>>"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyou reallythinkthis isreal.comwrote in
>>message

>

>>>news:uk$dUVV UHHA.4404@TK2MS FTNGP03.phx.gbl ...

>

>>I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants.
>>What
>>if it
>>wasn't OK?
>You did ask!

>

>"Master Programmer" <master_program ...@outgun.comw rote in
>message
>>news:uWxC0sUU HHA.868@TK2MSFT NGP05.phx.gbl.. .
>>>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm
>>>sorry
>>>if I
>>>offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?- Hide quoted text -

>
- Show quoted text -

[aaron.kempf@gmail.com]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

re:
I think MasterProgramme r and AaronKempf are two different people, but
I
think the first post was AK using MP's alias. MP hasn't been around
much
lately; he left the group a while back. I think it's just AK messing
around
with us.

a) I would never impersonate MP
b) MP deserves a JOB at MS; he is the only person other than Ralph
Nader than can set that company straight
c) I would never say anything positive about .NET. i mean-- there are
SOME things I like; but they pale in comparison to thousands of miles
of unnecessary code change
d) I don't 'mess around with you guys' I am fighting a holy war
against a bastard company






On Feb 16, 10:34 pm, "RobinS" <Rob...@NoSpam. yah.nonewrote:

Bruce,
>
If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you, you
should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgramme r who
supposedly was the original poster.
>
I think MasterProgramme r and AaronKempf are two different people, but I
think the first post was AK using MP's alias. MP hasn't been around much
lately; he left the group a while back. I think it's just AK messing around
with us.
>
So maybe Seth will clarify. I hardly think you need to leave the group
simply because you were trying to help Zim understand that the post from
was a troll, and Seth's comments surely don't pertain to you.
>
Robin S.
----------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote in messagenews:t4S dnZkXoNyLB0vYnZ 2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@ comcast.com...
>
>
>

Seth,

>

Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson,
stated how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by one
susiedba, was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language,
followed by another post by another one of the unnamed one's
personalities stepping right behind the others. The only time ANY posts
about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain unnamed' have not contained any
vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has been when the poster has a
conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical definitions, he was
trolling in the opposite direction.

>

I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my intentions
on this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things
sometimes, but my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to try
to learn something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank you
for your graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.

>

Bruce
"rowe_newsgroup s" <rowe_em...@yah oo.comwrote in message
news:1171631523 .908725.301890@ v45g2000cwv.goo glegroups.com.. .

>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al.,
>is
>simply trolling with different bait.

>

Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
trashing.

>

As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome you
back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
plonk you again...

>

Thanks,

>

Seth Rowe

>

On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote:
>Zim,

>

>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al.,
>is
>simply trolling with different bait.

>

>Bruce

>

>"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyou reallythinkthis isreal.comwrote in message

>

>>news:uk$dUVVU HHA.4404@TK2MSF TNGP03.phx.gbl. ..

>

>I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants. What
>if it
>wasn't OK?
You did ask!

>

"Master Programmer" <master_program ...@outgun.comw rote in message
>news:uWxC0sUUH HA.868@TK2MSFTN GP05.phx.gbl...
>>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry
>>if I
>>offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?- Hide quoted text -

>
- Show quoted text -

[PFC Sadr]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

re:
As VB.NET is BASIC with added features like type safety and object
orientation, it gets verbose. Most features are added by adding
keywords
to existing commands.


let's talk about events on forms.
I don't think that going 'twice as verbose' was necessary; helpful or
acceptable.

I won't use Windows Forms apps anymore and I sure as hell won't use VB
for ASP.net anymore; MS betrayed us all by removing vbScript DHTML
from ASP.net

why did they do this? VB won the war and MS threw the fight-- they
threw the world series; by surrendering to Sun Microsystems...

VB WON THE WAR.
AND MS SURRENDERED ANYWAYS.

it is right up there in 'the greatest betrayals of all time'



On Feb 18, 6:42 am, Göran Andersson <g...@guffa.com wrote:

pfc_s...@hotmai l.com wrote:

so.. c# is the solution to VB.net code verbosity?

>
Yes, the only solution to make VB.NET less verbose is to make it not
BASIC. ;)
>
As VB.NET is BASIC with added features like type safety and object
orientation, it gets verbose. Most features are added by adding keywords
to existing commands.
>
Take for example the Dim command. In the original form it was only used
to create arrays by specify their dimensions (hence the name):
>
DIM A(4)
>
Regular variables would not be declared at all, just created when used.
To allow for explicit declaring of varibles, the DIM command was altered
to also allow for declaring regular variables:
>
Dim B$
>
To add type safety, the As keyword was added to the command:
>
Dim B as String
>
Similar ways of adding keywords can be seen througout the language.
>

I thought that VB6 was.

>
VB6 was a bit less verbose than VB.NET because it contained less
features. For example VB.NET is fully object oriented, which of course
adds a whole bunch of new keywords.
>

I am not going to embrace dotnet until the next version; I've been
saying that for several releases now.

>

I just can't deal with a bloated IDE that crashes on me.
I refuse to do it.

>
Sadly you have no choise in the long run. VB6 is replaced by VB.NET, so
MS will drop the support for it entirely in a few years.
>
>
>

On Feb 16, 5:01 am, "Earl" <briks...@newsg roups.nospamwro te:

I miss VB6 and "classic" ADO ... but I aint going back. There are too many
new tools that make my life easier. I'm sure that was part of the Microsoft
master plan. However, if you like VB.Net, you would probably like C# even
more. The hands, wrists, and bursitis appreciate not having to type asmuch.

>

"Master Programmer" <master_program ...@outgun.comw rote in message

>

>news:uWxC0sUUH HA.868@TK2MSFTN GP05.phx.gbl...

>

>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorryif I
>offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

>
--
Göran Andersson
_____http://www.guffa.com

[mg]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

Yawn. This thread needs more cowbell.