VB.Net Rules!

[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

VB.NET is the ultimate tool for .NET programming. VB6 isn't worthless.
>
;-)
>

This newsgroup is for VB.Net programming, for VB6 I advice you the newsgroup
microsoft.publi c.vb.general.di scussions.

Thanks in advance to keep it in this newsgroup with VB.Net problems.

Cor

[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

Earl,

I use both and I hate in VB.Net that I have to use that senseless Dim; it
really does nothing.
There is nothing against it to make it optinal for backwards compatability.

In C# I hate the use of brackets, those cost me often an halfour in a
complex situation (8 deep). In VBNet I have not any problem if I go 20 deep.

I use very much in C# the difference between uper and lower case, but there
as well I like it more that it is not possible in VB.Net. It looks however
crazy to use those VB.Net standards in C# and visa versa is impossible.

Cor

"Earl" <brikshoe@newsg roups.nospamsch reef in bericht
news:%2373HntiU HHA.4188@TK2MSF TNGP06.phx.gbl. ..

>I would say that is one of the biggest advantages, but not the only one. C#
>is much more concise -- if you can deal with all the brackets { }. Some
>developers claim that C# is actually more understandable ... instead of Dim
>strThing as String, you have string strThing, the idea being that in C# it
>is not only less verbose, but has a natural flow. Semantics, I gotta use
>both, so it's a non-issue, except that I sometimes forget how to do
>something in one language that I can do in another.
>
<pfc_sadr@hotma il.comwrote in message
news:1171660495 .791596.327640@ m58g2000cwm.goo glegroups.com.. .

>so.. c# is the solution to VB.net code verbosity?
>>
>I thought that VB6 was.
>>
>I am not going to embrace dotnet until the next version; I've been
>saying that for several releases now.
>>
>I just can't deal with a bloated IDE that crashes on me.
>I refuse to do it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>On Feb 16, 5:01 am, "Earl" <briks...@newsg roups.nospamwro te:

>>I miss VB6 and "classic" ADO ... but I aint going back. There are too
>>many
>>new tools that make my life easier. I'm sure that was part of the
>>Microsoft
>>master plan. However, if you like VB.Net, you would probably like C#
>>even
>>more. The hands, wrists, and bursitis appreciate not having to type as
>>much.
>>>
>>"Master Programmer" <master_program ...@outgun.comw rote in message
>>>
>>news:uWxC0sUU HHA.868@TK2MSFT NGP05.phx.gbl.. .
>>>
>>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry
>>if I
>>offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

>>
>>

>
>

[Bruce W. Darby]

Re: VB.Net Rules!


"Bruce W. Darby" <kracorat@atcom cast.netwrote in message
news:t4SdnZkXoN yLB0vYnZ2dnUVZ_ hqdnZ2d@comcast .com...

Seth,
>
Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson,
stated how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by one
susiedba, was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language, followed
by another post by another one of the unnamed one's personalities stepping
right behind the others. The only time ANY posts about VB.Net by 'the one
who will remain unnamed' have not contained any vitriolic, abusive or
filthy language has been when the poster has a conversation with himself.
Therefore, by logical definitions, he was trolling in the opposite
direction.
>
I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my intentions on
this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things sometimes,
but my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to try to learn
something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank you for your
graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.
>
Bruce

P.S. And for anyone that I have offended, I offer my deepest apologies.

[RobinS]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

Bruce,

If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you, you
should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgramme r who
supposedly was the original poster.

I think MasterProgramme r and AaronKempf are two different people, but I
think the first post was AK using MP's alias. MP hasn't been around much
lately; he left the group a while back. I think it's just AK messing around
with us.

So maybe Seth will clarify. I hardly think you need to leave the group
simply because you were trying to help Zim understand that the post from
was a troll, and Seth's comments surely don't pertain to you.

Robin S.
----------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kracorat@atcom cast.netwrote in message
news:t4SdnZkXoN yLB0vYnZ2dnUVZ_ hqdnZ2d@comcast .com...

Seth,
>
Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson,
stated how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by one
susiedba, was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language,
followed by another post by another one of the unnamed one's
personalities stepping right behind the others. The only time ANY posts
about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain unnamed' have not contained any
vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has been when the poster has a
conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical definitions, he was
trolling in the opposite direction.
>
I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my intentions
on this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things
sometimes, but my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to try
to learn something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank you
for your graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.
>
Bruce
"rowe_newsgroup s" <rowe_email@yah oo.comwrote in message
news:1171631523 .908725.301890@ v45g2000cwv.goo glegroups.com.. .

>>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al.,
>>is
>>simply trolling with different bait.

>>
>Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
>and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
>other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
>sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
>different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
>trashing.
>>
>As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
>skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
>benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome you
>back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
>plonk you again...
>>
>Thanks,
>>
>Seth Rowe
>>
>>
>On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote:

>>Zim,
>>>
>>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al.,
>>is
>>simply trolling with different bait.
>>>
>>Bruce
>>>
>>"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyou reallythinkthis isreal.comwrote in message
>>>
>>news:uk$dUVVU HHA.4404@TK2MSF TNGP03.phx.gbl. ..
>>>
>>I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants. What
>>if it
>>wasn't OK?
>You did ask!
>>>
>"Master Programmer" <master_program ...@outgun.comw rote in message
>>news:uWxC0sUU HHA.868@TK2MSFT NGP05.phx.gbl.. .
>>>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry
>>>if I
>>>offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

>>
>>

>
>

[ShaneO]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

RobinS wrote:

Bruce,
>
If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you, you
should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgramme r who
supposedly was the original poster.
>
>

From how I read it, the above is true. It just goes to show the amount
of damage these couple of morons (Aaron + MP) are doing on this site.

Until these individuals started their rants you wouldn't even find a
cross word, now we have people misunderstandin g what's being written,
taking offence, and withdrawing their on-going contribution, all because
of confusion created by these couple of lunatics!

If anyone were to withdraw their support then these clowns will have
won. I still believe the best way is to NOT respond directly to them.
I am not responding to them here, I am supporting RobinS in his comments
to Bruce.

Will we ever regain the valuable resource that was once this newgroup???

ShaneO

There are 10 kinds of people - Those who understand Binary and those who
don't.

[Bruce W. Darby]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

Robin,

Re-reading the post, I can see Seth's intent more clearly. What appears to
be muddled is my own memory. The OP was actually MP, responded to by LL.
I've got to be more careful when I'm tired, as I seem to become senile with
advancing exhaustion.

Shane,

Thanks for your comments as well. I have not, in any way, taken offence at
what I interpreted from Seth's post. I'm far too old and realize that life
is much too short to take offence at anyone. I do feel that I have perhaps
offended some others here, however, and for that I am deeply sorry.

Everyone here has been a great source of help and inspiration for me. Thanks
very much.

Bruce

"RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam. yah.nonewrote in message
news:d_CdneY1_d VgPEvYnZ2dnUVZ_ uKknZ2d@comcast .com...

Bruce,
>
If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you, you
should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgramme r who
supposedly was the original poster.
>
I think MasterProgramme r and AaronKempf are two different people, but I
think the first post was AK using MP's alias. MP hasn't been around much
lately; he left the group a while back. I think it's just AK messing
around with us.
>
So maybe Seth will clarify. I hardly think you need to leave the group
simply because you were trying to help Zim understand that the post from
was a troll, and Seth's comments surely don't pertain to you.
>
Robin S.
----------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kracorat@atcom cast.netwrote in message
news:t4SdnZkXoN yLB0vYnZ2dnUVZ_ hqdnZ2d@comcast .com...

>Seth,
>>
>Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some logical
>reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson,
>stated how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by one
>susiedba, was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language,
>followed by another post by another one of the unnamed one's
>personalitie s stepping right behind the others. The only time ANY posts
>about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain unnamed' have not contained any
>vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has been when the poster has a
>conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical definitions, he was
>trolling in the opposite direction.
>>
>I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my intentions
>on this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things
>sometimes, but my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to try
>to learn something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank you
>for your graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.
>>
>Bruce
>"rowe_newsgrou ps" <rowe_email@yah oo.comwrote in message
>news:117163152 3.908725.301890 @v45g2000cwv.go oglegroups.com. ..

>>>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al.,
>>>is
>>>simply trolling with different bait.
>>>
>>Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
>>and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
>>other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
>>sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
>>different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
>>trashing.
>>>
>>As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
>>skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
>>benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome you
>>back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
>>plonk you again...
>>>
>>Thanks,
>>>
>>Seth Rowe
>>>
>>>
>>On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote:
>>>Zim,
>>>>
>>>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al.,
>>>is
>>>simply trolling with different bait.
>>>>
>>>Bruce
>>>>
>>>"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyou reallythinkthis isreal.comwrote in message
>>>>
>>>news:uk$dUVV UHHA.4404@TK2MS FTNGP03.phx.gbl ...
>>>>
>>>I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants. What
>>>if it
>>>wasn't OK?
>>You did ask!
>>>>
>>"Master Programmer" <master_program ...@outgun.comw rote in message
>>>news:uWxC0sU UHHA.868@TK2MSF TNGP05.phx.gbl. ..
>>>>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry
>>>>if I
>>>>offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

[rowe_newsgroups]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

On Feb 17, 1:00 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote:

Seth,
>
Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson, stated
how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by one susiedba,
was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language, followed by another
post by another one of the unnamed one's personalities stepping right behind
the others. The only time ANY posts about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain
unnamed' have not contained any vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has
been when the poster has a conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical
definitions, he was trolling in the opposite direction.
>
I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my intentions on
this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things sometimes, but
my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to try to learn
something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank you for your
graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.
>
Bruce"rowe_news groups" <rowe_em...@yah oo.comwrote in message
>
news:1171631523 .908725.301890@ v45g2000cwv.goo glegroups.com.. .
>

Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al., is
simply trolling with different bait.

>

Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
trashing.

>

As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome you
back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
plonk you again...

>

Thanks,

>

Seth Rowe

>

On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote:

Zim,

>

Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al., is
simply trolling with different bait.

>

Bruce

>

"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyou reallythinkthis isreal.comwrote in message

>

>news:uk$dUVVUH HA.4404@TK2MSFT NGP03.phx.gbl.. .

>

I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants. What if
it
wasn't OK?
You did ask!

>

"Master Programmer" <master_program ...@outgun.comw rote in message
news:uWxC0sUUHH A.868@TK2MSFTNG P05.phx.gbl...
>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry
>if I
>offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Bruce, I am in no way upset at any of your posts and I apologize if I
gave you that impression. You are welcome in this newsgroup and I
encourage you to stay and keep participating. I'm not certain if the
first Larry Linson (not Jr) was the actual MVP or another of 'his'
aliases, and I wanted to warn you before you incurred the wrath of an
MVP by accidentally calling him a troll. Again I apoligize if I gave
you the wrong impression - I have no grudge against you and hope you
continue to contribute here.

Thanks,

Seth Rowe

[rowe_newsgroups]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you, you

should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgramme r who
supposedly was the original poster.

This is exactly what I meant, I was merely trying to combine two
threads into a single one, the second paragraph was definitely meant
for Master Programmer, not Bruce.

Thanks,

Seth Rowe


On Feb 17, 1:34 am, "RobinS" <Rob...@NoSpam. yah.nonewrote:

Bruce,
>
If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you, you
should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgramme r who
supposedly was the original poster.
>
I think MasterProgramme r and AaronKempf are two different people, but I
think the first post was AK using MP's alias. MP hasn't been around much
lately; he left the group a while back. I think it's just AK messing around
with us.
>
So maybe Seth will clarify. I hardly think you need to leave the group
simply because you were trying to help Zim understand that the post from
was a troll, and Seth's comments surely don't pertain to you.
>
Robin S.
----------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote in messagenews:t4S dnZkXoNyLB0vYnZ 2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@ comcast.com...
>

Seth,

>

Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson,
stated how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by one
susiedba, was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language,
followed by another post by another one of the unnamed one's
personalities stepping right behind the others. The only time ANY posts
about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain unnamed' have not contained any
vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has been when the poster has a
conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical definitions, he was
trolling in the opposite direction.

>

I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my intentions
on this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things
sometimes, but my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to try
to learn something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank you
for your graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.

>

Bruce
"rowe_newsgroup s" <rowe_em...@yah oo.comwrote in message
news:1171631523 .908725.301890@ v45g2000cwv.goo glegroups.com.. .

>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al.,
>is
>simply trolling with different bait.

>

Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
trashing.

>

As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome you
back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
plonk you again...

>

Thanks,

>

Seth Rowe

>

On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote:
>Zim,

>

>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al.,
>is
>simply trolling with different bait.

>

>Bruce

>

>"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyou reallythinkthis isreal.comwrote in message

>

>>news:uk$dUVVU HHA.4404@TK2MSF TNGP03.phx.gbl. ..

>

>I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants. What
>if it
>wasn't OK?
You did ask!

>

"Master Programmer" <master_program ...@outgun.comw rote in message
>news:uWxC0sUUH HA.868@TK2MSFTN GP05.phx.gbl...
>>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry
>>if I
>>offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

[rowe_newsgroups]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

Bruce, I'm glad you understand what I meant to say - but you never
said if you were going to continue participating here. You are going
to right?

Thanks,

Seth Rowe


On Feb 17, 2:28 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote:

Robin,
>
Re-reading the post, I can see Seth's intent more clearly. What appears to
be muddled is my own memory. The OP was actually MP, responded to by LL.
I've got to be more careful when I'm tired, as I seem to become senile with
advancing exhaustion.
>
Shane,
>
Thanks for your comments as well. I have not, in any way, taken offence at
what I interpreted from Seth's post. I'm far too old and realize that life
is much too short to take offence at anyone. I do feel that I have perhaps
offended some others here, however, and for that I am deeply sorry.
>
Everyone here has been a great source of help and inspiration for me. Thanks
very much.
>
Bruce
>
"RobinS" <Rob...@NoSpam. yah.nonewrote in message
>
news:d_CdneY1_d VgPEvYnZ2dnUVZ_ uKknZ2d@comcast .com...
>

Bruce,

>

If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you, you
should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgramme r who
supposedly was the original poster.

>

I think MasterProgramme r and AaronKempf are two different people, but I
think the first post was AK using MP's alias. MP hasn't been around much
lately; he left the group a while back. I think it's just AK messing
around with us.

>

So maybe Seth will clarify. I hardly think you need to leave the group
simply because you were trying to help Zim understand that the post from
was a troll, and Seth's comments surely don't pertain to you.

>

Robin S.
----------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote in message
news:t4SdnZkXoN yLB0vYnZ2dnUVZ_ hqdnZ2d@comcast .com...

Seth,

>

Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson,
stated how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by one
susiedba, was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language,
followed by another post by another one of the unnamed one's
personalities stepping right behind the others. The only time ANY posts
about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain unnamed' have not contained any
vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has been when the poster has a
conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical definitions, he was
trolling in the opposite direction.

>

I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my intentions
on this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things
sometimes, but my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to try
to learn something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank you
for your graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.

>

Bruce
"rowe_newsgroup s" <rowe_em...@yah oo.comwrote in message
>news:117163152 3.908725.301890 @v45g2000cwv.go oglegroups.com. ..
>>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al.,
>>is
>>simply trolling with different bait.

>

>Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
>and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
>other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
>sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
>different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
>trashing.

>

>As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
>skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
>benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome you
>back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
>plonk you again...

>

>Thanks,

>

>Seth Rowe

>

>On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote:
>>Zim,

>

>>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al.,
>>is
>>simply trolling with different bait.

>

>>Bruce

>

>>"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyou reallythinkthis isreal.comwrote in message

>

>>>news:uk$dUVV UHHA.4404@TK2MS FTNGP03.phx.gbl ...

>

>>I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants. What
>>if it
>>wasn't OK?
>You did ask!

>

>"Master Programmer" <master_program ...@outgun.comw rote in message
>>news:uWxC0sUU HHA.868@TK2MSFT NGP05.phx.gbl.. .
>>>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry
>>>if I
>>>offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

[Bruce W. Darby]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

Seth,

I shall be more than happy to continue participating here. WAY too much good
information for me to just up and leave. No need for you to ever apologize
about what you have written. It's just my own frayed intellect that has
pushed me over the edge. :) Perhaps in the near future, I shall have
something other than 'goosing' the troll to contribute.

Bruce

"rowe_newsgroup s" <rowe_email@yah oo.comwrote in message
news:1171716878 .486949.196130@ k78g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .

Bruce, I'm glad you understand what I meant to say - but you never
said if you were going to continue participating here. You are going
to right?
>
Thanks,
>
Seth Rowe
>
>
On Feb 17, 2:28 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote:

>Robin,
>>
>Re-reading the post, I can see Seth's intent more clearly. What appears
>to
>be muddled is my own memory. The OP was actually MP, responded to by LL.
>I've got to be more careful when I'm tired, as I seem to become senile
>with
>advancing exhaustion.
>>
>Shane,
>>
>Thanks for your comments as well. I have not, in any way, taken offence
>at
>what I interpreted from Seth's post. I'm far too old and realize that
>life
>is much too short to take offence at anyone. I do feel that I have
>perhaps
>offended some others here, however, and for that I am deeply sorry.
>>
>Everyone here has been a great source of help and inspiration for me.
>Thanks
>very much.
>>
>Bruce
>>
>"RobinS" <Rob...@NoSpam. yah.nonewrote in message
>>
>news:d_CdneY1_ dVgPEvYnZ2dnUVZ _uKknZ2d@comcas t.com...
>>

Bruce,

>>

If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you,
you
should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgramme r who
supposedly was the original poster.

>>

I think MasterProgramme r and AaronKempf are two different people, but I
think the first post was AK using MP's alias. MP hasn't been around
much
lately; he left the group a while back. I think it's just AK messing
around with us.

>>

So maybe Seth will clarify. I hardly think you need to leave the group
simply because you were trying to help Zim understand that the post
from
was a troll, and Seth's comments surely don't pertain to you.

>>

Robin S.
----------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote in message
>news:t4SdnZkXo NyLB0vYnZ2dnUVZ _hqdnZ2d@comcas t.com...
>Seth,

>>

>Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some
>logical
>reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson,
>stated how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by
>one
>susiedba, was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language,
>followed by another post by another one of the unnamed one's
>personalitie s stepping right behind the others. The only time ANY
>posts
>about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain unnamed' have not contained
>any
>vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has been when the poster has a
>conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical definitions, he was
>trolling in the opposite direction.

>>

>I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my
>intentions
>on this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things
>sometimes, but my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to
>try
>to learn something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank
>you
>for your graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.

>>

>Bruce
>"rowe_newsgrou ps" <rowe_em...@yah oo.comwrote in message
>>news:11716315 23.908725.30189 0@v45g2000cwv.g ooglegroups.com ...
>>>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et.
>>>al.,
>>>is
>>>simply trolling with different bait.

>>

>>Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
>>and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
>>other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
>>sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
>>different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
>>trashing.

>>

>>As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
>>skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
>>benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome
>>you
>>back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
>>plonk you again...

>>

>>Thanks,

>>

>>Seth Rowe

>>

>>On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote:
>>>Zim,

>>

>>>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et.
>>>al.,
>>>is
>>>simply trolling with different bait.

>>

>>>Bruce

>>

>>>"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyou reallythinkthis isreal.comwrote in
>>>message

>>

>>>>news:uk$dUV VUHHA.4404@TK2M SFTNGP03.phx.gb l...

>>

>>>I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants.
>>>What
>>>if it
>>>wasn't OK?
>>You did ask!

>>

>>"Master Programmer" <master_program ...@outgun.comw rote in
>>message
>>>news:uWxC0sU UHHA.868@TK2MSF TNGP05.phx.gbl. ..
>>>>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm
>>>>sorry
>>>>if I
>>>>offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

>
>

[rowe_newsgroups]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

On Feb 17, 10:02 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote:

Seth,
>
I shall be more than happy to continue participating here. WAY too much good
information for me to just up and leave. No need for you to ever apologize
about what you have written. It's just my own frayed intellect that has
pushed me over the edge. :) Perhaps in the near future, I shall have
something other than 'goosing' the troll to contribute.
>
Bruce
>
"rowe_newsgroup s" <rowe_em...@yah oo.comwrote in message
>
news:1171716878 .486949.196130@ k78g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .
>

Bruce, I'm glad you understand what I meant to say - but you never
said if you were going to continue participating here. You are going
to right?

>

Thanks,

>

Seth Rowe

>

On Feb 17, 2:28 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote:

Robin,

>

Re-reading the post, I can see Seth's intent more clearly. What appears
to
be muddled is my own memory. The OP was actually MP, responded to by LL.
I've got to be more careful when I'm tired, as I seem to become senile
with
advancing exhaustion.

>

Shane,

>

Thanks for your comments as well. I have not, in any way, taken offence
at
what I interpreted from Seth's post. I'm far too old and realize that
life
is much too short to take offence at anyone. I do feel that I have
perhaps
offended some others here, however, and for that I am deeply sorry.

>

Everyone here has been a great source of help and inspiration for me.
Thanks
very much.

>

Bruce

>

"RobinS" <Rob...@NoSpam. yah.nonewrote in message

>

>news:d_CdneY1_ dVgPEvYnZ2dnUVZ _uKknZ2d@comcas t.com...

>

Bruce,

>

If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you,
you
should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgramme r who
supposedly was the original poster.

>

I think MasterProgramme r and AaronKempf are two different people, but I
think the first post was AK using MP's alias. MP hasn't been around
much
lately; he left the group a while back. I think it's just AK messing
around with us.

>

So maybe Seth will clarify. I hardly think you need to leave the group
simply because you were trying to help Zim understand that the post
from
was a troll, and Seth's comments surely don't pertain to you.

>

Robin S.
----------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote in message
news:t4SdnZkXoN yLB0vYnZ2dnUVZ_ hqdnZ2d@comcast .com...
Seth,

>

Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some
logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson,
stated how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by
one
susiedba, was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language,
followed by another post by another one of the unnamed one's
personalities stepping right behind the others. The only time ANY
posts
about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain unnamed' have not contained
any
vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has been when the poster has a
conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical definitions, he was
trolling in the opposite direction.

>

I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my
intentions
on this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things
sometimes, but my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to
try
to learn something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank
you
for your graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.

>

Bruce
"rowe_newsgroup s" <rowe_em...@yah oo.comwrote in message
>news:117163152 3.908725.301890 @v45g2000cwv.go oglegroups.com. ..
>>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et.
>>al.,
>>is
>>simply trolling with different bait.

>

>Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
>and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
>other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
>sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
>different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
>trashing.

>

>As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
>skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
>benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome
>you
>back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
>plonk you again...

>

>Thanks,

>

>Seth Rowe

>

>On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote:
>>Zim,

>

>>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et.
>>al.,
>>is
>>simply trolling with different bait.

>

>>Bruce

>

>>"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyou reallythinkthis isreal.comwrote in
>>message

>

>>>news:uk$dUVV UHHA.4404@TK2MS FTNGP03.phx.gbl ...

>

>>I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants.
>>What
>>if it
>>wasn't OK?
>You did ask!

>

>"Master Programmer" <master_program ...@outgun.comw rote in
>message
>>news:uWxC0sUU HHA.868@TK2MSFT NGP05.phx.gbl.. .
>>>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm
>>>sorry
>>>if I
>>>offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Good to hear! I would feel terrible if I caused someone to leave this
newsgroup - unless of course it was Aaron, but thats beside the point.
As far as troll warfare goes I completely support you in announcing to
poster Aaron is trolling what his aliases are and to ignore them. We
just need to be careful that we don't get confused on who is who
(which was probably Aaron's intent in using the Larry Linson
alias(es)) and incorrectly accuse each other of trolling. One useful
tool I found is looking at the poster's profile on Google Groups. If
you see a brand new account with the nick name "Seth Rowe" that is
only flaming newbies, you can be sure it isn't me!

Thanks,

Seth Rowe

[Bruce W. Darby]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

Seth,

Duly noted, good sir. :) Now, let's get back to actually learning about
..Net!

Bruce

"rowe_newsgroup s" <rowe_email@yah oo.comwrote in message
news:1171725332 .751403.83820@m 58g2000cwm.goog legroups.com...

Good to hear! I would feel terrible if I caused someone to leave this
newsgroup - unless of course it was Aaron, but thats beside the point.
As far as troll warfare goes I completely support you in announcing to
poster Aaron is trolling what his aliases are and to ignore them. We
just need to be careful that we don't get confused on who is who
(which was probably Aaron's intent in using the Larry Linson
alias(es)) and incorrectly accuse each other of trolling. One useful
tool I found is looking at the poster's profile on Google Groups. If
you see a brand new account with the nick name "Seth Rowe" that is
only flaming newbies, you can be sure it isn't me!
>
Thanks,
>
Seth Rowe
>

[RobinS]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

Well, I'm glad that's cleared up. I can't speak for anyone else, but you
haven't done anything to offend *me* in this newsgroup. Glad you're going
to stick around.

Robin S.
------------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kracorat@atcom cast.netwrote in message
news:ldWdnRv5d7 YA80rYnZ2dnUVZ_ hWdnZ2d@comcast .com...

Seth,
>
Duly noted, good sir. :) Now, let's get back to actually learning about
.Net!
>
Bruce
>
"rowe_newsgroup s" <rowe_email@yah oo.comwrote in message
news:1171725332 .751403.83820@m 58g2000cwm.goog legroups.com...

>Good to hear! I would feel terrible if I caused someone to leave this
>newsgroup - unless of course it was Aaron, but thats beside the point.
>As far as troll warfare goes I completely support you in announcing to
>poster Aaron is trolling what his aliases are and to ignore them. We
>just need to be careful that we don't get confused on who is who
>(which was probably Aaron's intent in using the Larry Linson
>alias(es)) and incorrectly accuse each other of trolling. One useful
>tool I found is looking at the poster's profile on Google Groups. If
>you see a brand new account with the nick name "Seth Rowe" that is
>only flaming newbies, you can be sure it isn't me!
>>
>Thanks,
>>
>Seth Rowe
>>

>
>

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6ran_Andersson?=]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

pfc_sadr@hotmai l.com wrote:

so.. c# is the solution to VB.net code verbosity?

Yes, the only solution to make VB.NET less verbose is to make it not
BASIC. ;)

As VB.NET is BASIC with added features like type safety and object
orientation, it gets verbose. Most features are added by adding keywords
to existing commands.

Take for example the Dim command. In the original form it was only used
to create arrays by specify their dimensions (hence the name):

DIM A(4)

Regular variables would not be declared at all, just created when used.
To allow for explicit declaring of varibles, the DIM command was altered
to also allow for declaring regular variables:

Dim B$

To add type safety, the As keyword was added to the command:

Dim B as String

Similar ways of adding keywords can be seen througout the language.

I thought that VB6 was.

VB6 was a bit less verbose than VB.NET because it contained less
features. For example VB.NET is fully object oriented, which of course
adds a whole bunch of new keywords.

I am not going to embrace dotnet until the next version; I've been
saying that for several releases now.
>
I just can't deal with a bloated IDE that crashes on me.
I refuse to do it.

Sadly you have no choise in the long run. VB6 is replaced by VB.NET, so
MS will drop the support for it entirely in a few years.

>
On Feb 16, 5:01 am, "Earl" <briks...@newsg roups.nospamwro te:

>I miss VB6 and "classic" ADO ... but I aint going back. There are too many
>new tools that make my life easier. I'm sure that was part of the Microsoft
>master plan. However, if you like VB.Net, you would probably like C# even
>more. The hands, wrists, and bursitis appreciate not having to type as much.
>>
>"Master Programmer" <master_program ...@outgun.comw rote in message
>>
>news:uWxC0sUUH HA.868@TK2MSFTN GP05.phx.gbl...
>>

>>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry if I
>>offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

>
>

--
Göran Andersson
_____

http://www.guffa.com

[aaron.kempf@gmail.com]

Re: VB.Net Rules!

I was NOT trollign in an opposite direction.

IT WAS NOT ME THAT POSTED THIS PRO-DOTNET _CRAP_






On Feb 16, 10:00 pm, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote:

Seth,
>
Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson, stated
how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by one susiedba,
was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language, followed by another
post by another one of the unnamed one's personalities stepping right behind
the others. The only time ANY posts about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain
unnamed' have not contained any vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has
been when the poster has a conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical
definitions, he was trolling in the opposite direction.
>
I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my intentions on
this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things sometimes, but
my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to try to learn
something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank you for your
graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.
>
Bruce"rowe_news groups" <rowe_em...@yah oo.comwrote in message
>
news:1171631523 .908725.301890@ v45g2000cwv.goo glegroups.com.. .
>
>
>

Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al., is
simply trolling with different bait.

>

Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
trashing.

>

As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome you
back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
plonk you again...

>

Thanks,

>

Seth Rowe

>

On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcom cast.netwrote:

Zim,

>

Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al., is
simply trolling with different bait.

>

Bruce

>

"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyou reallythinkthis isreal.comwrote in message

>

>news:uk$dUVVUH HA.4404@TK2MSFT NGP03.phx.gbl.. .

>

I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants. What if
it
wasn't OK?
You did ask!

>

"Master Programmer" <master_program ...@outgun.comw rote in message
news:uWxC0sUUHH A.868@TK2MSFTNG P05.phx.gbl...
>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry
>if I
>offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?- Hide quoted text -

>
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