php vs python

[Tim Roberts]

Re: php vs python

Ivan Illarionov <ivan.illariono v@gmail.comwrot e:

>On Wed, 28 May 2008 05:10:20 +0400, AnrDaemon wrote:

>In reply to Your message dated Monday, May 26, 2008, 04:47:00,
>>

>>>As I've said before - good programmers can write good code in any
>>>language.

>>

>>Yes, they can. But it may be harder to do for them in one language and
>>easier in another.

>...
>No. Language does matter.

A good programmer keeps many tools in his toolbox, and understands which
tools provide the best service for the problem at hand.
--
Tim Roberts, timr@probo.com
Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.

[Michael Fesser]

Re: php vs python

..oO(Ivan Illarionov)

>No. Language does matter.

And the weather.

If you know how to program, you can write good code in any language if
you're familiar enough with it. Many people write good code in PHP, and
many write total crap in C/C++. It's almost never about the language,
but about the programmer.

Micha

[cokofreedom@gmail.com]

Re: php vs python

On May 28, 1:42 pm, Michael Fesser <neti...@gmx.de wrote:

.oO(Ivan Illarionov)
>

No. Language does matter.

>
And the weather.
>
If you know how to program, you can write good code in any language if
you're familiar enough with it. Many people write good code in PHP, and
many write total crap in C/C++. It's almost never about the language,
but about the programmer.
>
Micha

I'd like to see someone coming from an OO programming background write
good Haskell, Pure Functional Programming code even with a high level
of OO experience. Language matters.

[Ivan Illarionov]

Re: php vs python

On Wed, 28 May 2008 06:04:54 +0000, Tim Roberts wrote:

Ivan Illarionov <ivan.illariono v@gmail.comwrot e:

>>On Wed, 28 May 2008 05:10:20 +0400, AnrDaemon wrote:

>>In reply to Your message dated Monday, May 26, 2008, 04:47:00,
>>>
>>>>As I've said before - good programmers can write good code in any
>>>>language.
>>>
>>>Yes, they can. But it may be harder to do for them in one language
>>>and easier in another.

>>...
>>No. Language does matter.

>
A good programmer keeps many tools in his toolbox, and understands which
tools provide the best service for the problem at hand.

Agree, I keep Python, C and x86 assembly in my toolbox. And this toolbox
is perfect.

Actually, even PHP has its place in my toolbox, but, *only when I can't
use Python*, eg Sourceforge.net servers don't have good Python support
and PHP starts to make sense.

Language matters.

Ivan

[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: php vs python

cokofreedom@gma il.com wrote:

On May 28, 1:42 pm, Michael Fesser <neti...@gmx.de wrote:

>.oO(Ivan Illarionov)
>>

>>No. Language does matter.

>And the weather.
>>
>If you know how to program, you can write good code in any language if
>you're familiar enough with it. Many people write good code in PHP, and
>many write total crap in C/C++. It's almost never about the language,
>but about the programmer.
>>
>Micha

>
I'd like to see someone coming from an OO programming background write
good Haskell, Pure Functional Programming code even with a high level
of OO experience. Language matters.

Actually, I think it would be easier than a functional programmer
converting to an OO paradigm.

And the caveat was *if you're familiar enough with it*.

A good OO programmer could easily write good functional code.

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[Paul Rubin]

Re: php vs python

Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attg lobal.netwrites :

A good OO programmer could easily write good functional code.

Over on #haskell there's a general belief that learning Haskell is
easier for nonprogrammers than it is for OO programmers, since the OO
programmers first have to unlearn what they previously knew.

[Eric Wertman]

Re: php vs python

Flaming Thunder is teh awesome! :P

[Diez B. Roggisch]

Re: php vs python

A good OO programmer could easily write good functional code.

You are aware that functional programming is *not* procedural or imperative
programming?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_programming

OO is *heavily* depending on state and state modification. I've seen OO
programmers weep over functional programming assignments. Which is not to
say that FP is in any sense bad - au contraire, knowing it is important
because it is a different school of thought that's very valuable to know
of. And Python allows for many of the FP concepts to be used. See map,
filter and other HOFs.

Diez