Help Required for Choosing Programming Language

[Mark Morss]

Re: Help Required for Choosing Programming Language

On Feb 16, 4:22 pm, ifti_cr...@yaho o.com wrote:

I am VB6 programmer and wants to start new programming language but i
am unable to deciced.
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i have read about Python, Ruby and Visual C++. but i want to go
through with GUI based programming language like VB.net
>
so will you please guide me which GUI based language has worth with
complete OOPS Characteristics
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will wait for the answer
>
hope to have a right direction from you Programmer
>
Regards
Iftikhar
itzon...@yahoo. com

Good grief. I suppose it is Microsoft to whom we owe the idea that
there could be such a thing as a "GUI based" programming language.

[Peter Decker]

Re: Help Required for Choosing Programming Language

On 19 Feb 2007 09:56:06 -0800, Mark Morss <mfmorss@aep.co mwrote:

Good grief. I suppose it is Microsoft to whom we owe the idea that
there could be such a thing as a "GUI based" programming language.

Who do we blame for the idea that everyone in the world should be able
to express themselves in perfect English without confusion?

It was obvious what the OP meant. He's looking for something akin to
VB, but in Python.

--

# p.d.

[Bruno Desthuilliers]

Re: Help Required for Choosing Programming Language

Hendrik van Rooyen a écrit :

"Bruno Desthuilliers" <bdesth.quelque chose@free.quel quepart.frwrote :
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>
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>>Stef Mientki a écrit :
>>(snip)
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>>>I've been using Python for just 2 months, and didn't try any graphical
>>>design,

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>>So how can you comment on GUI programming with Python ?

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>
I think we have a language problem here (no pun intended)
>
When Stef says "Gui Programming" he means using something like
Delphi or Boa to do the Graphical Layout, while on this group it
normally means writing the python code to make your own windows
etc., using Tkinter or better...

It's now the *3rd* time I mention Glade, wxGlade and QTDesigner in this
thread. Hendrik, I know *exactly* what Stef is talking about - been
here, done that.

So from Stef's perspective he is right when he claims that Python's
"Gui Programming" is poor - in the standard library it is non existent,
as there are no Delphi-, Glade- or Boa-like tools available.
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And one can argue that something like Boa or the WX.. packages are
not Python, as they are not included in the standard library...
>

Then ObjectPascal his poor too. All the GUI part of Delphi is to
ObjectPascal what wxPython etc are to Python.

From thiw POV, Python is much richer than ObjectPascal : you have at
least 3 or 4 usable GUI toolkits, at least two of them being
full-featured and cross-platform.

[Bruno Desthuilliers]

Re: Help Required for Choosing Programming Language

olsongt@verizon .net a écrit :

On Feb 16, 4:22 pm, ifti_cr...@yaho o.com wrote:
>

>>I am VB6 programmer and wants to start new programming language but i
>>am unable to deciced.
>>
>>i have read about Python, Ruby and Visual C++. but i want to go
>>through with GUI based programming language like VB.net
>>
>>so will you please guide me which GUI based language has worth with
>>complete OOPS Characteristics
>>
>>will wait for the answer
>>
>>hope to have a right direction from you Programmer
>>
>>Regards
>>Iftikhar
>>itzon...@yaho o.com

>
>
Despite what "real programmers" and various apologists might say,
there isn't much out there that comes close to the ease-of-use and
functionality of VB when it comes to designing a GUI.

Lol.

[Stef Mientki]

Re: Help Required for Choosing Programming Language

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It's now the *3rd* time I mention Glade, wxGlade and QTDesigner in this
thread. Hendrik, I know *exactly* what Stef is talking about - been
here, done that.

Doubt, that know what I'm talking about ...
.... Glade, wxGlade, QTDesigner are not my choice ;-)
.... at the moment I tend towards VisualWX + openGL for the future.

cheers,
Stef

[Laurent Pointal]

Re: Help Required for Choosing Programming Language

Mark Morss a écrit :

On Feb 16, 4:22 pm, ifti_cr...@yaho o.com wrote:

>I am VB6 programmer and wants to start new programming language but i
>am unable to deciced.
>>
>i have read about Python, Ruby and Visual C++. but i want to go
>through with GUI based programming language like VB.net
>>
>so will you please guide me which GUI based language has worth with
>complete OOPS Characteristics
>>
>will wait for the answer
>>
>hope to have a right direction from you Programmer

>
Good grief. I suppose it is Microsoft to whom we owe the idea that
there could be such a thing as a "GUI based" programming language.

Maybe HyperCard (and its language, HyperTalk) come before VB (SuperCard
and MetaCard too)... and its Apple...

Whatever we - as professional developers - think about these
tools/languages - its very nice to allow not-developers people to build
the tools they need, even if these are not perfect in a conceptual view,
these are software with users' need filled.

Note: I agree, in professionnal world with software service during long
years, with software growing to manage more and more tasks, some
languages and tools are better than others.

Different needs, different personal experience, different skills...
different languages.


L.Pointal.

[Jordan]

Re: Help Required for Choosing Programming Language

On Feb 18, 7:35 pm, Dave Cook <davec...@nowhe re.netwrote:

On 2007-02-16, ifti_cr...@yaho o.com <ifti_cr...@yah oo.comwrote:
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i have read about Python, Ruby and Visual C++. but i want to go
through with GUI based programming language like VB.net

>
You might take a look athttp://dabodev.com
>
Dave Cook

Learn python, and then learn wxpython (python binding of wxWidgets).
wxWidgets is one of the most extensive and well built gui tools (in my
opinion) and is easier to implement in python than C++ (also my
opinion). The only reason I can see for using C++ over Python for gui
building is if for some obscure reason Python wasn't fast enough. On
the other hand, this brings up the argument of which is faster: Python
or C++ ;) so let's not get into that. Python + WxPython = Good
Language with Good GUI Toolkit.

Cheers,
Jordan

[Thomas Bartkus]

Re: Help Required for Choosing Programming Language

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:03:43 -0800, Andy Dingley wrote:

<snip>

GUI-based" is fairly unimportant as it's just how you build your
programs, not what they do afterwards

Most user apps. require 95% of coding effort to provide a usable user
interface and 5% effort on the algorithmic meat. The "afterwards " you
allude to. So why do we still endure so much programming effort on the
unimportant part?

Because elegent algorithms require bullet proof and intuitive user
interfaces or people won't use or buy your software.

<snip>

GUI programs are less important now than they were a few years ago,
owing to the huge importance of the web and HTML.

Now with html the programming load rises to about 99.8% effort for the
user interface and 0.2% on the algorithmic core. All that coding
effort wasted on a user interface that looks and works like crap.

The top poster is quite correct to ask for a system like VB6 that banishes
the problem of user interface coding to the trivial role it deserves.
Why should a programmer waste even so much as 10% of his effort to throw
together a standard interface with ordinary textboxes, labels, and option
buttons? Over and over again?

Thomas Bartkus

[sturlamolden]

Re: Help Required for Choosing Programming Language

On Feb 24, 7:04 pm, Thomas Bartkus <thomasbart...@ comcast.netwrot e:

Most user apps. require 95% of coding effort to provide a usable user
interface and 5% effort on the algorithmic meat. The "afterwards " you
allude to. So why do we still endure so much programming effort on the
unimportant part?

Why should a programmer waste even so much as 10% of his effort to throw
together a standard interface with ordinary textboxes, labels, and option
buttons? Over and over again?

That is why at least two modern GUI toolkits (Microsoft's 'avalon' and
GTK with GLADE) export the GUI as an XML-resource from a graphical GUI
designer. It then takes only a line of code to import the GUI and
another to register the event handlers.