htm vs. php problem

**Ivan Marsh** · Dec 18 '06, 04:45 PM

Re: htm vs. php problem

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:24:30 -0800, Andrew wrote:

The company I work for uses .htm extensions with their php code. There
is one page which has quite a few querys that I am having problems
with. With the .htm extension it will take 30+ seconds to load the
page and, for example, will pull approx 30 rows from the db. If I just
change the extension to .php, it takes less than 1 second to load the
same page, and will pull over 300 rows from the db. Any ideas why this
is happening?

A man goes to the doctor and says: "Doc, It hurts when I do this..."

**Andrew** · Dec 18 '06, 04:55 PM

Re: htm vs. php problem

Ivan Marsh wrote:

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:24:30 -0800, Andrew wrote:
>

The company I work for uses .htm extensions with their php code. There
is one page which has quite a few querys that I am having problems
with. With the .htm extension it will take 30+ seconds to load the
page and, for example, will pull approx 30 rows from the db. If I just
change the extension to .php, it takes less than 1 second to load the
same page, and will pull over 300 rows from the db. Any ideas why this
is happening?

>
A man goes to the doctor and says: "Doc, It hurts when I do this..."

Ivan, I know what you are saying...but going with .php extensions is
out of my control. Any suggestions I can bring up to them to why this
happens?

**Erwin Moller** · Dec 18 '06, 04:55 PM

Re: htm vs. php problem

Andrew wrote:

The company I work for uses .htm extensions with their php code. There
is one page which has quite a few querys that I am having problems
with. With the .htm extension it will take 30+ seconds to load the
page and, for example, will pull approx 30 rows from the db. If I just
change the extension to .php, it takes less than 1 second to load the
same page, and will pull over 300 rows from the db. Any ideas why this
is happening?

Hi Andrew,

That is strange indeed.
One would expect that this makes little difference indeed.

Please give us some more info.
Are you using a real httpserver (Apache eg)? Or is this happening on IIS?

Will a .htm extension of any request to the server fire additional processes
for parsing? (Some excotic CMS maybe that fiddles around?)
Some (broken) caching mechanism at work maybe for htm-extension only and not
for phpextension?

I can only guess.

Whatever the reason, I think something is set up awkwardly in your company.
If you feel adventurous, fix it.

And of course, stopping to use html extension to execute PHP makes sense
too...
Use .php for php. Why change such a thing?

Regards,
Erwin Moller

**Ivan Marsh** · Dec 18 '06, 05:45 PM

Re: htm vs. php problem

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:46:31 -0800, Andrew wrote:

Ivan Marsh wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:24:30 -0800, Andrew wrote:
>>

The company I work for uses .htm extensions with their php code.
There is one page which has quite a few querys that I am having
problems with. With the .htm extension it will take 30+ seconds to
load the page and, for example, will pull approx 30 rows from the db.
If I just change the extension to .php, it takes less than 1 second
to load the same page, and will pull over 300 rows from the db. Any
ideas why this is happening?

>>
>A man goes to the doctor and says: "Doc, It hurts when I do this..."

>
Ivan, I know what you are saying...but going with .php extensions is out
of my control. Any suggestions I can bring up to them to why this
happens?

I'm wondering how any of your code is being processed at all. The
webserver knows what pre-processor to send a page through based on its
extension.

If your PHP code is being processed in a .htm file then the webserver must
be set up to send .htm files through the PHP pre-processor. Which mean all
of your webpages are being sent through the pre-processor whether they
have any code to process in them or not. Needless to say this is causing a
greatly increased load on your webserver.

I'm sorry that I don't have any constructive ideas about the difference in
performance but it's difficult to troubleshoot an issue that is obviously
being caused by a webserver that has been, evidently, purposefully
incorrectly configured.

The one thing that I can think of, depending on what webserver you're
running, is that it might be confused as to what language it's seeing when
you run a script based on what languages that webserver processes by
default.

I'd suggest if you're using the short tags <? to try the long tags <?php
and see if that straightens it out.

**Andrew** · Dec 18 '06, 05:55 PM

Re: htm vs. php problem

We are using:
Apache v.1.3.37
PHP v.4.4.3

**Peter Fox** · Dec 18 '06, 06:25 PM

Re: htm vs. php problem

Following on from Andrew's message. . .

>We are using:
>Apache v.1.3.37
>PHP v.4.4.3

And Management v 0.0

Say that you asked on comp.lang.php and you were "told" you *had* to
upgrade to Apache 2.x *and* PHP 5.x to deal with this problem ... (That
should give the twerps the willies)
.... Or they could just use the php extension and whenever they felt like
making a decision would they let you know what it was.

--
PETER FOX Not the same since the bookshop idea was shelved
peterfox@eminen t.demon.co.uk.n ot.this.bit.no. html
2 Tees Close, Witham, Essex.
Gravity beer in Essex <http://www.eminent.dem on.co.uk>

**Ivan Marsh** · Dec 18 '06, 06:55 PM

Re: htm vs. php problem

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:17:30 +0000, Peter Fox wrote:

Following on from Andrew's message. . .

>>We are using:
>>Apache v.1.3.37
>>PHP v.4.4.3

And Management v 0.0
>
>
Say that you asked on comp.lang.php and you were "told" you *had* to
upgrade to Apache 2.x *and* PHP 5.x to deal with this problem ... (That
should give the twerps the willies)
... Or they could just use the php extension and whenever they felt like
making a decision would they let you know what it was.

Been fired much?

**Peter Fox** · Dec 18 '06, 07:35 PM

Re: htm vs. php problem

Following on from Ivan Marsh's message. . .

>On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:17:30 +0000, Peter Fox wrote:
>

>Following on from Andrew's message. . .

>>>We are using:
>>>Apache v.1.3.37
>>>PHP v.4.4.3

>And Management v 0.0
>>
>>
>Say that you asked on comp.lang.php and you were "told" you *had* to
>upgrade to Apache 2.x *and* PHP 5.x to deal with this problem ... (That
>should give the twerps the willies)
>... Or they could just use the php extension and whenever they felt like
>making a decision would they let you know what it was.

>
>Been fired much?
>

In 35 years of computing I have never regretted telling people that it
doesn't matter how much they dislike the facts : "2 plus 2 does not
equal 3" The more they huff and puff the more they /are afraid/ of your
knowledge. Don't work for those people - Full stop. Another thing you
should remember is that good programmers don't get promoted, they move
to a better job elsewhere. (Mediocre programmers get a job title 'team
leader' and crap programmers become managers.)

--
PETER FOX Not the same since the bookshop idea was shelved
peterfox@eminen t.demon.co.uk.n ot.this.bit.no. html
2 Tees Close, Witham, Essex.
Gravity beer in Essex <http://www.eminent.dem on.co.uk>

**Andrew** · Dec 18 '06, 07:35 PM

Re: htm vs. php problem

Ivan Marsh wrote:

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:46:31 -0800, Andrew wrote:
>

Ivan Marsh wrote:

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:24:30 -0800, Andrew wrote:
>
The company I work for uses .htm extensions with their php code.
There is one page which has quite a few querys that I am having
problems with. With the .htm extension it will take 30+ seconds to
load the page and, for example, will pull approx 30 rows from the db.
If I just change the extension to .php, it takes less than 1 second
to load the same page, and will pull over 300 rows from the db. Any
ideas why this is happening?
>
A man goes to the doctor and says: "Doc, It hurts when I do this..."

Ivan, I know what you are saying...but going with .php extensions is out
of my control. Any suggestions I can bring up to them to why this
happens?

>
I'm wondering how any of your code is being processed at all. The
webserver knows what pre-processor to send a page through based on its
extension.
>
If your PHP code is being processed in a .htm file then the webserver must
be set up to send .htm files through the PHP pre-processor. Which mean all
of your webpages are being sent through the pre-processor whether they
have any code to process in them or not. Needless to say this is causing a
greatly increased load on your webserver.
>
I'm sorry that I don't have any constructive ideas about the difference in
performance but it's difficult to troubleshoot an issue that is obviously
being caused by a webserver that has been, evidently, purposefully
incorrectly configured.
>
The one thing that I can think of, depending on what webserver you're
running, is that it might be confused as to what language it's seeing when
you run a script based on what languages that webserver processes by
default.
>
I'd suggest if you're using the short tags <? to try the long tags <?php
and see if that straightens it out.

That was it. The short tags were causing the problem. Unfortunely, the
code on other pages are littered with them as well. I guess we have a
lot of work to do. Plus now I have to try to convince them to lose the
..htm and make some upgrades. I've only been with the company for a
month, so hopefully they will hear me out. Thank you everyone for your
input.

**Ivan Marsh** · Dec 18 '06, 07:55 PM

Re: htm vs. php problem

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:20:23 +0000, Peter Fox wrote:

Following on from Ivan Marsh's message. . .

>>On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:17:30 +0000, Peter Fox wrote:
>>

>>Following on from Andrew's message. . .
>>>>We are using:
>>>>Apache v.1.3.37
>>>>PHP v.4.4.3
>>And Management v 0.0
>>>
>>>
>>Say that you asked on comp.lang.php and you were "told" you *had* to
>>upgrade to Apache 2.x *and* PHP 5.x to deal with this problem ...
>>(That should give the twerps the willies) ... Or they could just use
>>the php extension and whenever they felt like making a decision would
>>they let you know what it was.

>>
>>Been fired much?
>>

In 35 years of computing I have never regretted telling people that it
doesn't matter how much they dislike the facts : "2 plus 2 does not
equal 3" The more they huff and puff the more they /are afraid/ of your
knowledge. Don't work for those people - Full stop. Another thing you
should remember is that good programmers don't get promoted, they move
to a better job elsewhere. (Mediocre programmers get a job title 'team
leader' and crap programmers become managers.)

I don't see anything factual about the suggestion you made. Even with
those upgrades the original issue would still exist.

The only thing to tell them is that processing .htm files as anything
other than HTML files is simply not right.

They need to un-break their webserver.

**Allodoxaphobia** · Dec 18 '06, 11:45 PM

Re: htm vs. php problem

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:54:33 -0600, Ivan Marsh wrote:

The only thing to tell them is that processing .htm files as anything
other than HTML files is simply not right.
>
They need to un-break their webserver.

I fear that if those truly are ".htm" files, they already had/have a
b0rk3n webserver.

Jonesy

**John Dunlop** · Dec 19 '06, 09:05 AM

Re: htm vs. php problem

Ivan Marsh:

The only thing to tell them is that processing .htm files as anything
other than HTML files is simply not right.

Why?

--
Jock

**Petr Vileta** · Dec 19 '06, 09:25 AM

Re: htm vs. php problem

"Andrew" <aiithak@gmail. compíse v diskusním príspevku
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The company I work for uses .htm extensions with their php code. There
is one page which has quite a few querys that I am having problems
with. With the .htm extension it will take 30+ seconds to load the
page and, for example, will pull approx 30 rows from the db. If I just
change the extension to .php, it takes less than 1 second to load the
same page, and will pull over 300 rows from the db. Any ideas why this
is happening?
>

Maybe you have bad configured server. If you use Apache then search some
like this

<IfModule mod_php4.c>
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .php4 .php3 .phtml
AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
</IfModule>

and add there .htm extension too.
<IfModule mod_php4.c>
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .php4 .php3 .phtml .htm
AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
</IfModule>

But be carefull then other realy static html pages have different extension
eg. .html.

--

Petr Vileta, Czech republic
(My server rejects all messages from Yahoo and Hotmail. Send me your mail
from another non-spammer site please.)

**Toby Inkster** · Dec 19 '06, 11:05 AM

Re: htm vs. php problem

Andrew wrote:

That was it. The short tags were causing the problem. Unfortunely, the
code on other pages are littered with them as well. I guess we have a
lot of work to do.

Search and replace -- easy.

--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact

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