Object Oriented PHP vs Java

**Amir Khawaja** · Jul 17 '05, 02:42 AM

Re: Object Oriented PHP vs Java

bdjw wrote:
[color=blue]
> Your duplicitous nature leads me to believe
> you are always seeking to put someone down
> for something or else you are a control freak.
>
> You say that response is 'a little' condescending.
>
> How is it that this single question has generated
> so MUCH healthy response?
>
> How then could the question be 'severely flawed'
> as you bluntly write.
>
> In this case, if you have any face left (covered with
> egg by now) you should retract your arrogrance.
>
> Do you have the guts to do it?
>
> The author
>[/color]

Duplicitous? That is such a strong word to use since I do not know you
personally. I am far from being such an individual. As a matter of fact,
I pride myself in being an upstanding, generous, and helpful citizen.
For you to accuse me of being a deceitful person shows the
characteristics you possess within you. First and foremost, one should
always be open to criticism. As I can see from your harsh remarks, you
do not take to commentary as well. My remark was neither crude nor
judgmental.

--
Amir Khawaja.

----------------------------------
Rules are written for those who lack the ability to truly reason, But
for those who can, the rules become nothing more than guidelines, And
live their lives governed not by rules but by reason.
- James McGuigan

**Amir Khawaja** · Jul 17 '05, 02:42 AM

Re: Object Oriented PHP vs Java

bdjw wrote:
[color=blue]
> Would you like to see some of my software development? Or is that a
> question from
> someone who has no training in such a discipline?
>[/color]

Yes, I do have formal training in software development.

[color=blue]
> Did you start Sun Microsystems of something?
>[/color]

No, I did not start Sun Microsystems.

--
Amir Khawaja.

----------------------------------
Rules are written for those who lack the ability to truly reason, But
for those who can, the rules become nothing more than guidelines, And
live their lives governed not by rules but by reason.
- James McGuigan

**R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah** · Jul 17 '05, 02:42 AM

Re: Object Oriented PHP vs Java

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"bdjw" <jeraldweinstei n@earthlink.net > wrote in message news:<%ggQb.240 26$1e.17828@new sread2.news.pas .earthlink.net> ...[color=blue]
> "R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" <ng4rrjanbiah@r ediffmail.com> wrote in message
> news:abc4d8b8.0 401222156.60ccf 8e2@posting.goo gle.com...[color=green]
> > Erwin Moller[/color]
> <since_humans_r ead_this_I_am_s pammed_too_much @spamyourself.c om> wrote in
> message news:<400ff083$ 0$318$e4fe514c@ news.xs4all.nl> ...[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > Amir Khawaja wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jerry wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> What are the advantages and disadvantages of using Object Oriented
> > > >> PHP vs Java?
> > > >
> > > > If you've ever had training in software development, then you would[/color][/color]
> not[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > be asking this question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Amir,
> > >
> > > Judging by the number of interesting posts in this thread, I think[/color][/color]
> things[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > might be a bit more complicated.
> > >
> > > I like this discussion a lot, because I use both languages and like them
> > > both.[/color]
> >
> > I think, Amir is right to some extent. It is really irritating if
> > *programmers* ask what is best among the two *without* actually trying
> > them. It is also real unfortunate to see people _pushing_ their own
> > ideas by quoting their years of experience to win the discussion. It
> > is also sad thing to see, such trolls are often encouraged in this
> > c.l.p which is not common among other groups say c.l.c or c.l.j
> >
> > Personally I liked the discussion 'coz I tried both of them as
> > you. But, IMHO, it is wrong to ecourage such never tried people's
> > query.
> >
> > p.s.: This is *no* rant; this is just my personal opinion. Obviously,
> > YMMV[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Where did all the assumption arise that
> the author has 'never tried programming'[/color]

'coz the question is complete moronic and vague. Read the response
for your questions from some good regulars. I could also see your post
(even better version of this) in comp.lang.java. developer which never
attracted those people.
[color=blue]
> This is complete arrogrance on your part.
>
> Needless to say, in the community of programmers,
> there is arrogance just as there in every other
> walk of life....[/color]

I think, you have poor eye sight to read what I said. Anyway, if you
took it arrogrance, I don't mind.

--
"We live to die; We die to live"
Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com

**bdjw** · Jul 17 '05, 02:42 AM

Re: Object Oriented PHP vs Java

"R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" <ng4rrjanbiah@r ediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:abc4d8b8.0 401232205.344d4 87a@posting.goo gle.com...[color=blue]
> [top-post fixed]
>
> "bdjw" <jeraldweinstei n@earthlink.net > wrote in message[/color]
news:<%ggQb.240 26$1e.17828@new sread2.news.pas .earthlink.net> ...[color=blue][color=green]
> > "R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" <ng4rrjanbiah@r ediffmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:abc4d8b8.0 401222156.60ccf 8e2@posting.goo gle.com...[color=darkred]
> > > Erwin Moller[/color]
> > <since_humans_r ead_this_I_am_s pammed_too_much @spamyourself.c om> wrote in
> > message news:<400ff083$ 0$318$e4fe514c@ news.xs4all.nl> ...[color=darkred]
> > > > Amir Khawaja wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Jerry wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> What are the advantages and disadvantages of using Object[/color][/color][/color]
Oriented[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > >> PHP vs Java?
> > > > >
> > > > > If you've ever had training in software development, then you[/color][/color][/color]
would[color=blue][color=green]
> > not[color=darkred]
> > > > > be asking this question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Amir,
> > > >
> > > > Judging by the number of interesting posts in this thread, I think[/color]
> > things[color=darkred]
> > > > might be a bit more complicated.
> > > >
> > > > I like this discussion a lot, because I use both languages and like[/color][/color][/color]
them[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > both.
> > >
> > > I think, Amir is right to some extent. It is really irritating if
> > > *programmers* ask what is best among the two *without* actually trying
> > > them. It is also real unfortunate to see people _pushing_ their own
> > > ideas by quoting their years of experience to win the discussion. It
> > > is also sad thing to see, such trolls are often encouraged in this
> > > c.l.p which is not common among other groups say c.l.c or c.l.j
> > >
> > > Personally I liked the discussion 'coz I tried both of them as
> > > you. But, IMHO, it is wrong to ecourage such never tried people's
> > > query.
> > >
> > > p.s.: This is *no* rant; this is just my personal opinion. Obviously,
> > > YMMV[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
> > Where did all the assumption arise that
> > the author has 'never tried programming'[/color]
>
> 'coz the question is complete moronic and vague.[/color]
Pretty strong and judgmental reaction, especially given
the other responders (41 posts!)
You just want to keep this silly pseudo flame going
coz you're bored.
See ya'

Read the response[color=blue]
> for your questions from some good regulars. I could also see your post
> (even better version of this) in comp.lang.java. developer which never
> attracted those people.
>[/color]

Those people have not responded to almost all of the
most recent posts lately, not just this one.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > This is complete arrogrance on your part.
> >
> > Needless to say, in the community of programmers,
> > there is arrogance just as there in every other
> > walk of life....[/color]
>
> I think, you have poor eye sight to read what I said. Anyway, if you
> took it arrogrance, I don't mind.
>
> --
> "We live to die; We die to live"
> Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com[/color]

**bdjw** · Jul 17 '05, 02:42 AM

Re: Object Oriented PHP vs Java

"Amir Khawaja" <amir@gorebels. net> wrote in message
news:T5kQb.4360 9$Ar1.21930@fed 1read04...[color=blue]
> bdjw wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Your duplicitous nature leads me to believe
> > you are always seeking to put someone down
> > for something or else you are a control freak.
> >
> > You say that response is 'a little' condescending.
> >
> > How is it that this single question has generated
> > so MUCH healthy response?
> >
> > How then could the question be 'severely flawed'
> > as you bluntly write.
> >
> > In this case, if you have any face left (covered with
> > egg by now) you should retract your arrogrance.
> >
> > Do you have the guts to do it?
> >
> > The author
> >[/color]
>
> Duplicitous? That is such a strong word to use since I do not know you
> personally. I am far from being such an individual. As a matter of fact,
> I pride myself in being an upstanding, generous, and helpful citizen.[/color]

So do I.
[color=blue]
> For you to accuse me of being a deceitful person shows the
> characteristics you possess within you.[/color]
And you are not possessing of being open to criticism?

First and foremost, one should[color=blue]
> always be open to criticism. As I can see from your harsh remarks, you
> do not take to commentary as well. My remark was neither crude nor
> judgmental.[/color]

REally, not blunt? Why were you the only one who
reacted that way ( besides your R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah)
Somethings amiss here....

I simply have never done OO PHP. I have done alot
of Java programming. Are you so high and mighty that
you can't lower yourself to the level of those "below"
your level of expertise?
Maybe you're too good for this forum.
[color=blue]
>
>
> --
> Amir Khawaja.
>
> ----------------------------------
> Rules are written for those who lack the ability to truly reason, But
> for those who can, the rules become nothing more than guidelines, And
> live their lives governed not by rules but by reason.
> - James McGuigan[/color]

**Amir Khawaja** · Jul 17 '05, 02:43 AM

Re: Object Oriented PHP vs Java

bdjw wrote:[color=blue]
> And you are not possessing of being open to criticism?[/color]

I am always open to criticism. However, your remarks were insulting when
you accused me of being duplicitous. My comment erred on the cynical
side and it seems that it struck a bad chord with your personality. I
for one and am not the type to insult another person unless provoked. I
for one am comfortable with myself and my abilities. Therefore, if you
felt like my cynicism has marred your character in any way or form, I am
not ashamed of apologizing.

--
Amir Khawaja.

----------------------------------
Rules are written for those who lack the ability to truly reason, But
for those who can, the rules become nothing more than guidelines, And
live their lives governed not by rules but by reason.
- James McGuigan

**R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah** · Jul 17 '05, 02:43 AM

Re: Object Oriented PHP vs Java

"bdjw" <jeraldweinstei n@earthlink.net > wrote in message news:<rCoQb.245 69$1e.20623@new sread2.news.pas .earthlink.net> ...
<snip>
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > Where did all the assumption arise that
> > > the author has 'never tried programming'[/color]
> >
> > 'coz the question is complete moronic and vague.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Pretty strong and judgmental reaction, especially given
> the other responders (41 posts!)[/color]

Nonsense. I could count only <10 direct responses; out of that
count the number of responses from regulars/experts.
[color=blue]
> You just want to keep this silly pseudo flame going
> coz you're bored.
> See ya'[/color]

Fine. To deal you in your own way, I think, I need to lose my
education for a while--which I don't want to do now.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > Read the response
> > for your questions from some good regulars. I could also see your post
> > (even better version of this) in comp.lang.java. developer which never
> > attracted those people.
> >[/color]
>
> Those people have not responded to almost all of the
> most recent posts lately, not just this one.[/color]

--
"We live to die; We die to live"
Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com

**Phil Roberts** · Jul 17 '05, 02:43 AM

Re: Object Oriented PHP vs Java

With total disregard for any kind of safety measures "bdjw"
<jeraldweinstei n@earthlink.net > leapt forth and uttered:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> 'coz the question is complete moronic and vague.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Pretty strong and judgmental reaction, especially given
> the other responders (41 posts!)[/color]

He has a point though, asking "OO PHP vs Java" shows a certain
amount of ignorance of the pro's/cons of both languages. Even *I*
thought that, and I don't have any formal training, education or
even that much experience in anything other than PHP.

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**bdjw** · Jul 17 '05, 02:43 AM

Re: Object Oriented PHP vs Java

"R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" <ng4rrjanbiah@r ediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:abc4d8b8.0 401222156.60ccf 8e2@posting.goo gle.com...[color=blue]
> Erwin Moller[/color]
<since_humans_r ead_this_I_am_s pammed_too_much @spamyourself.c om> wrote in
message news:<400ff083$ 0$318$e4fe514c@ news.xs4all.nl> ...[color=blue][color=green]
> > Amir Khawaja wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Jerry wrote:
> > >
> > >> What are the advantages and disadvantages of using Object Oriented
> > >> PHP vs Java?
> > >
> > > If you've ever had training in software development, then you would[/color][/color][/color]
not[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > be asking this question.
> > >
> > >[/color]
> >
> > Amir,
> >
> > Judging by the number of interesting posts in this thread, I think[/color][/color]
things[color=blue][color=green]
> > might be a bit more complicated.
> >
> > I like this discussion a lot, because I use both languages and like them
> > both.[/color]
>
> I think, Amir is right to some extent. It is really irritating if
> *programmers* ask what is best among the two *without* actually trying
> them.[/color]
While experience can be the best teacher (especially in programming)
I tend to lean towards the tenet that
*The only bad question is the one that is not asked.*
I just don't get why you don't get that. You're a professional
software developer and that doesn't fit into your set of ideas?

As far as I know, there are very few software developers (professionals)
who can do it all. The process of sw development is fraught with pitfalls.
How can you possibly survive without being open to
*moronic* questions?

Don't you get that? It's really very simple of an idea.

You seem to avoid the obvious here.

It is also real unfortunate to see people _pushing_ their own[color=blue]
> ideas by quoting their years of experience to win the discussion. It
> is also sad thing to see, such trolls are often encouraged in this
> c.l.p which is not common among other groups say c.l.c or c.l.j
>
> Personally I liked the discussion 'coz I tried both of them as
> you. But, IMHO, it is wrong to ecourage such never tried people's
> query.
>
> p.s.: This is *no* rant; this is just my personal opinion. Obviously,
> YMMV
>
> --
> "We live to die; We die to live"
> Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com[/color]

**Erwin Moller** · Jul 17 '05, 02:44 AM

Re: Object Oriented PHP vs Java

bdjw wrote:
<snip>
[color=blue]
> While experience can be the best teacher (especially in programming)
> I tend to lean towards the tenet that
> *The only bad question is the one that is not asked.*[/color]

:-)

In Holland we have this saying (free translation):
"I rather ask a 'stupid' question and look stupid for 5 minutes than never
ask that question and stay stupid the rest of my life."

:P

Regards,
Erwin Moller

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