How much are PHP programmers paid in Germany?

[Cpt. Zeep]

If someone can help me; how much EUR per hour (average) is standard payment
for PHP programmers in Germany? Thank you!

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[Matthias Esken]

Re: How much are PHP programmers paid in Germany?

"Cpt. Zeep" <zeep@proning-dhi.hr> schrieb:
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> If someone can help me; how much EUR per hour (average) is standard payment
> for PHP programmers in Germany? Thank you![/color]

I'm not sure about the average, but my company will get for my work as
PHP developer >=100 EURO / hour.

Regards,
Matthias

[Jochen Daum]

Re: How much are PHP programmers paid in Germany?

Hi Zeep!

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:35:07 +0200, "Cpt. Zeep" <zeep@proning-dhi.hr>
wrote:
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>If someone can help me; how much EUR per hour (average) is standard payment
>for PHP programmers in Germany? Thank you![/color]

Don't know how your German is. www.gulp.de has information on
freelancer pricing.

HTH, Jochen

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[Guest]

Re: How much are PHP programmers paid in Germany?

> If someone can help me; how much EUR per hour (average) is standard payment[color=blue]
> for PHP programmers in Germany? Thank you![/color]

we are programming for free!!!

[R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah]

Re: How much are PHP programmers paid in Germany?

Matthias Esken <muelleimer2003 nospam@usenetve rwaltung.org> wrote in message news:<bn1en3.10 c.1@usenet.eske n.de>...[color=blue]
> "Cpt. Zeep" <zeep@proning-dhi.hr> schrieb:
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> > If someone can help me; how much EUR per hour (average) is standard payment
> > for PHP programmers in Germany? Thank you![/color]
>
> I'm not sure about the average, but my company will get for my work as
> PHP developer >=100 EURO / hour.[/color]

The Currency Converter found at http://www.xe.com/ucc/ says
100.00 EUR
Euro = 5,269.78 INR India Rupees!!!!!!!! I think, you guys can
work only one hour in a month!!!

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[Matthias Esken]

Re: How much are PHP programmers paid in Germany?

ng4rrjanbiah@re diffmail.com (R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah) schrieb:
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> The Currency Converter found at http://www.xe.com/ucc/ says
> 100.00 EUR
> Euro = 5,269.78 INR India Rupees!!!!!!!! I think, you guys can
> work only one hour in a month!!![/color]

I'm not a freelancer. That's not the money I get, that's the money the
company gets from the customer for selling me and my work.

Regards,
Matthias

[Matthias Esken]

Re: How much are PHP programmers paid in Germany?

"<- Chameleon ->" <cham_gss@hotma il.NOSPAM.com> schrieb:
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>> If someone can help me; how much EUR per hour (average) is standard payment
>> for PHP programmers in Germany? Thank you![/color]
>
> we are programming for free!!![/color]

In fact, I do a lot for free.

That's why I have to get some more money for the paid jobs.

Regards,
Matthias

[Jochen Daum]

Re: How much are PHP programmers paid in Germany?

Hi R!

On 20 Oct 2003 22:16:12 -0700, ng4rrjanbiah@re diffmail.com (R. Rajesh
Jeba Anbiah) wrote:
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>Matthias Esken <muelleimer2003 nospam@usenetve rwaltung.org> wrote in message news:<bn1en3.10 c.1@usenet.eske n.de>...[color=green]
>> "Cpt. Zeep" <zeep@proning-dhi.hr> schrieb:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > If someone can help me; how much EUR per hour (average) is standard payment
>> > for PHP programmers in Germany? Thank you![/color]
>>
>> I'm not sure about the average, but my company will get for my work as
>> PHP developer >=100 EURO / hour.[/color]
>
> The Currency Converter found at http://www.xe.com/ucc/ says
>100.00 EUR
>Euro = 5,269.78 INR India Rupees!!!!!!!! I think, you guys can
>work only one hour in a month!!!
>[/color]
I think Matthias desribed a top-notch freelancer with a rate of 100
EUR, but I think its not impossible. Realise as well, that with German
bureaucracy, there is a rate of about 50/70% (exclusive/inclusive
health insurance) that you're looking at, minus equipment.

A lot of people think, you can just work anywhere as an IT freelancer,
so you would best be working for EUR sitting in India, but I think
this is in most cases not true (due to eg. that only big companies are
able to write specs)


jochen
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[Cpt. Zeep]

Re: How much are PHP programmers paid in Germany?

<- Chameleon -> wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
>> If someone can help me; how much EUR per hour (average) is standard
>> payment for PHP programmers in Germany? Thank you![/color]
>
> we are programming for free!!![/color]

:))
Thank you all for help!

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[R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah]

Re: How much are PHP programmers paid in Germany?

Matthias Esken <muelleimer2003 nospam@usenetve rwaltung.org> wrote in message news:<bn2qna.e0 .1@usenet.esken .de>...[color=blue]
> ng4rrjanbiah@re diffmail.com (R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah) schrieb:
>[color=green]
> > The Currency Converter found at http://www.xe.com/ucc/ says
> > 100.00 EUR
> > Euro = 5,269.78 INR India Rupees!!!!!!!! I think, you guys can
> > work only one hour in a month!!![/color]
>
> I'm not a freelancer. That's not the money I get, that's the money the
> company gets from the customer for selling me and my work.[/color]

I wonder, why almost all PHP programmers are working in sweatshops...
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[R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah]

Re: How much are PHP programmers paid in Germany?

Jochen Daum <jochen.daum@ca ns.co.nz> wrote in message news:<u7k9pvcq1 6hdljio84nmtcgb ieencqsjla@4ax. com>...

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> A lot of people think, you can just work anywhere as an IT freelancer,
> so you would best be working for EUR sitting in India, but I think
> this is in most cases not true (due to eg. that only big companies are
> able to write specs)[/color]

I couldn't understand your reasons. Big companies are nothing but
just more people. In India, a jobless guy is 1000 times better than at
least 20 guys sitting in big companies.

In small companies, people don't write specs because the amount they
receive is very less. And it doesn't mean that they don't know how to
write specs/documentations.

Just take PHP or Linux or Napster. Are all these products developed
in big companies?

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[Eric Veltman]

Re: How much are PHP programmers paid in Germany?

Hello Rajesh,

R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:
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> Matthias Esken <muelleimer2003 nospam@usenetve rwaltung.org> wrote in[color=green]
>> I'm not sure about the average, but my company will get for my work as
>> PHP developer >=100 EURO / hour.[/color]
>
> The Currency Converter found at http://www.xe.com/ucc/ says
> 100.00 EUR
> Euro = 5,269.78 INR India Rupees!!!!!!!! I think, you guys can
> work only one hour in a month!!![/color]

So in India 100 EUR is enough to pay everything you need for a month ?
In Europe ( Netherlands in my case ) it's not even enough
to pay the rent for the apartment for a week.

That's why the salaries differ so much between India <=> Europe/America.
Cost of living differs a lot.

Best regards,

Eric

[Eric Veltman]

Re: How much are PHP programmers paid in Germany?

R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:
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> Jochen Daum <jochen.daum@ca ns.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:<u7k9pvcq1 6hdljio84nmtcgb ieencqsjla@4ax. com>...
>
> <snip>
>[color=green]
>> A lot of people think, you can just work anywhere as an IT freelancer,
>> so you would best be working for EUR sitting in India, but I think
>> this is in most cases not true (due to eg. that only big companies are
>> able to write specs)[/color]
>
> I couldn't understand your reasons. Big companies are nothing but
> just more people. In India, a jobless guy is 1000 times better than at
> least 20 guys sitting in big companies.
>
> In small companies, people don't write specs because the amount they
> receive is very less. And it doesn't mean that they don't know how to
> write specs/documentations.[/color]

I think Jochen means that companies that hire freelance programmers usually
don't regard programming as their core business. Therefore they have less
experience with writing specs for software, which increases the need for
extensive communication between company and freelancer before and during
the project. Extensive communication is a lot harder if the freelancer is a
remote worker. And don't start talking about video conferencing.

Best regards,

Eric

[Matthias Esken]

Re: How much are PHP programmers paid in Germany?

Jochen Daum <jochen.daum@ca ns.co.nz> schrieb:
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> I think Matthias desribed a top-notch freelancer with a rate of 100
> EUR, but I think its not impossible.[/color]

It's the rate that the company I'm working for will get from the
customer. On the other hand it's not only PHP, it's a good knowledge of
DB technology (e.g. Oracle) and the ability to understand the customers
wishes, being a good team player, write specifications on different
levels and so on.

Regards,
Matthias

[R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah]

Re: How much are PHP programmers paid in Germany?

Eric Veltman <eric@[RemoveThis]veltman.nu> wrote in message news:<vpap11287 a0g17@corp.supe rnews.com>...[color=blue]
> Hello Rajesh,
>
> R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:
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> > Matthias Esken <muelleimer2003 nospam@usenetve rwaltung.org> wrote in[color=darkred]
> >> I'm not sure about the average, but my company will get for my work as
> >> PHP developer >=100 EURO / hour.[/color]
> >
> > The Currency Converter found at http://www.xe.com/ucc/ says
> > 100.00 EUR
> > Euro = 5,269.78 INR India Rupees!!!!!!!! I think, you guys can
> > work only one hour in a month!!![/color]
>
> So in India 100 EUR is enough to pay everything you need for a month ?[/color]

It depends upon your life style. Guys working in big IT companies
draw about 30-50 thousand a month on average. There are guys who wear
costly shirts that costs about 2,000 and go for party (which is a
recent trend because of some kinda Westernisation) for which they
charge 1,000-10,000.... If you lead a simple life---without any
bike/car/PC/costly dresses/show-off, 5,000 is quite enough.
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> In Europe ( Netherlands in my case ) it's not even enough
> to pay the rent for the apartment for a week.[/color]

I don't know about Netherlands. But, I guess the rent depends upon
the style of the apartment. Again, I think you could lead a simple
life in Netherlands with less dollars.
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> That's why the salaries differ so much between India <=> Europe/America.
> Cost of living differs a lot.[/color]

I don't think, it's __cost of living__, but it is *life style*

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