Starting PHP, netequite question

[Els]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

Alvaro G Vicario wrote:
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> *** Els wrote/escribió (Fri, 2 Sep 2005 09:04:02 +0200):[color=green]
>> Which is not the case with cross-posting.
>> With cross-posting you'll see the answers from those groups too.[/color]
>
> I see you use the same news reader than me. What are your settings? My copy
> doesn't show messages from group A in group B, even if group A exists in my
> news server.[/color]

Maybe cause you didn't crosspost?
My settings are so that if I am subscribed to 4 newsgroups, and there
is a crosspost to 5 newsgroups, of which 3 in my list, and 2 not in my
list, I will see the message in the first of those 3, and only the
header (marked read) in the other 2 of those 3. If someone in a group
that is not in my list responds to the post, I will see it in the
first group I read.

I see it happen all the time. Posts from people I've never heard of,
and looking at the headers I see a bunch of groups I never read.

Maybe you have Dialog configured to block/mark read all crossposts?

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[Els]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

Els wrote:
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> Alvaro G Vicario wrote:
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>> *** Els wrote/escribió (Fri, 2 Sep 2005 09:04:02 +0200):[color=darkred]
>>> Which is not the case with cross-posting.
>>> With cross-posting you'll see the answers from those groups too.[/color]
>>
>> I see you use the same news reader than me. What are your settings? My copy
>> doesn't show messages from group A in group B, even if group A exists in my
>> news server.[/color]
>
> Maybe cause you didn't crosspost?
> My settings are so that if I am subscribed to 4 newsgroups, and there
> is a crosspost to 5 newsgroups, of which 3 in my list, and 2 not in my
> list, I will see the message in the first of those 3, and only the
> header (marked read) in the other 2 of those 3. If someone in a group
> that is not in my list responds to the post, I will see it in the
> first group I read.
>
> I see it happen all the time. Posts from people I've never heard of,
> and looking at the headers I see a bunch of groups I never read.
>
> Maybe you have Dialog configured to block/mark read all crossposts?[/color]

BTW - how would you know from which group I am posting?
I don't know if you're reading in alt.php, or comp.lang.php.

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[Alvaro G Vicario]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

*** Els wrote/escribió (Fri, 2 Sep 2005 10:34:13 +0200):[color=blue]
> BTW - how would you know from which group I am posting?
> I don't know if you're reading in alt.php, or comp.lang.php.[/color]

comp.lang.php only. I've reviewed the "General settings" but I just can't
find anything about crossposting (I'm using beta 38).

I've created a score rule to tag crossposts but now I realize it isn't
working in my work computer (same rule works fine at home!):
[*]
-10 Xpost %>1

It's probably time to reinstall xD


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[Alvaro G Vicario]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

*** Els wrote/escribió (Fri, 2 Sep 2005 10:29:11 +0200):[color=blue][color=green]
>> I see you use the same news reader than me. What are your settings? My copy
>> doesn't show messages from group A in group B, even if group A exists in my
>> news server.[/color]
>
> Maybe cause you didn't crosspost?[/color]

Please forgive me, I'm sleepy most of the time.

Pretty often, replies to crossposted messages are not sent to all the
groups but only one. I'm not sure but I believe that's what netiquette
recommends (that's why there's a "Followup-To" header).

So John Smith asks a question in alt.foo.a, alt.foo.b and alt.foo.c with
"Followup-To: alt.foo.a". I'm only subscribed to alt.foo.c and see the
question remains unanswered so I spend ten minutes trying to help. But it
happens there's already a 30 messages thread in alt.foo.a with lots of
helpful info. That's my concern. I did a terrible work trying to explain
myself, sorry.

Whatever, I believe Usenet is quite a nice place to be (compare it to
IRC!). Common sense and killfiles make it possible :)


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[Els]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

Alvaro G Vicario wrote:
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> *** Els wrote/escribió (Fri, 2 Sep 2005 10:29:11 +0200):[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> I see you use the same news reader than me. What are your settings? My copy
>>> doesn't show messages from group A in group B, even if group A exists in my
>>> news server.[/color]
>>
>> Maybe cause you didn't crosspost?[/color]
>
> Please forgive me, I'm sleepy most of the time.
>
> Pretty often, replies to crossposted messages are not sent to all the
> groups but only one. I'm not sure but I believe that's what netiquette
> recommends (that's why there's a "Followup-To" header).[/color]

Ah yes, I get your point now.

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> So John Smith asks a question in alt.foo.a, alt.foo.b and alt.foo.c with
> "Followup-To: alt.foo.a". I'm only subscribed to alt.foo.c and see the
> question remains unanswered so I spend ten minutes trying to help. But it
> happens there's already a 30 messages thread in alt.foo.a with lots of
> helpful info. That's my concern. I did a terrible work trying to explain
> myself, sorry.[/color]

NP, I'm getting your drift perfectly now. (I think!)
When a follow-up is set though, it should be mentioned in the body of
the message. Secret follow-ups are a PITA, indeed.

If you are the one crossposting the message, yes, it's best to set a
follow-up, but if you want ongoing exchange of information from more
than one group, I'd say feel free to mention that you don't want a
follow-up set.
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> Whatever, I believe Usenet is quite a nice place to be (compare it to
> IRC!). Common sense and killfiles make it possible :)[/color]

Very true :-)

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[JDS]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:38:44 +0000, Domestos wrote:
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> Somebody give me a good reason why I should follow netiquette and I may well
> start to give it respect.
>
> Sorry , but its the truth.[/color]


Well, you should follow netiquette (for good reasons already given by
others) but I don't think CROSSposting is against Usenet etiquette.

MULTIposting, on the other hand, stay away from that.

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[JDS]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:07:48 +0000, tom pester wrote:
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> But the 3 php groups
> -alt.comp.lang.p hp
> -comp.lang.php
> -alt.php[/color]

There (is|are) [at least one] other(s):

alt.php.sql

I've found comp.lang.php to be the most used and most useful group.
alt.php.sql is pretty good for MySQL (and other SQL database) PHP
questions. But generally you could prolly just stick to comp.lang.php.

later...

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[Default User]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

Els wrote:

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> If you are the one crossposting the message, yes, it's best to set a
> follow-up, but if you want ongoing exchange of information from more
> than one group, I'd say feel free to mention that you don't want a
> follow-up set.[/color]

NO NO NO!

Do NOT crosspost a message and then set followups, that's very rude.

What are people supposed to do, go subscribe to some group they
normally read just to follow one thread? If it wasn't topical in a
group it should never have been posted at all. If it is topical then
the group should remain on the distribution so that all can see the
replies.




Brian

[Els]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

Default User wrote:
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> Els wrote:
>
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>> If you are the one crossposting the message, yes, it's best to set a
>> follow-up, but if you want ongoing exchange of information from more
>> than one group, I'd say feel free to mention that you don't want a
>> follow-up set.[/color]
>
> NO NO NO!
>
> Do NOT crosspost a message and then set followups, that's very rude.
>
> What are people supposed to do, go subscribe to some group they
> normally read just to follow one thread? If it wasn't topical in a
> group it should never have been posted at all. If it is topical then
> the group should remain on the distribution so that all can see the
> replies.[/color]

I think that in general, I have to agree with that.
Could anyone say why it is advised often to set a follow-up when
crossposting?

My newsreader asks me specifically if I want to ignore the warning "no
follow-up has been set" when I reply to a crossposted message.

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[Default User]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

Els wrote:
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> Default User wrote:[/color]
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> > NO NO NO!
> >
> > Do NOT crosspost a message and then set followups, that's very
> > rude.[/color][/color]
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> I think that in general, I have to agree with that.
> Could anyone say why it is advised often to set a follow-up when
> crossposting?[/color]


The proper way to use followups is when someone has posted an off-topic
message, let's say a Javascript question here. Then you can answer
crossposted to here and comp.lang.javas cript, with the followups set to
the latter. Then the person who goofed will see where the thread has
been redirected. Always be sure to flag the reply as having followups
set.



Brian