Starting PHP, netequite question

[tom pester]

Hi All,

I am learning php an I am amazed how easy a PHP noob like me can acheive
so much in little time.

I am planning to take part in the community and noticed these 3 newsgroups :

-alt.comp.lang.p hp
-comp.lang.php
-alt.php

Do these groups differ in purpose or is it allowed to crosspost in all 3
of these?

My guess is that my newsserver gets access to these 3 ones but other people
maybe can read only 1.

Cheers,
Tom Pester

[Andy Hassall]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:16:07 GMT, tom pester
<Tom.PesterDELE TETHISSS@pandor a.be> wrote:
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>I am learning php an I am amazed how easy a PHP noob like me can acheive
>so much in little time.
>
>I am planning to take part in the community and noticed these 3 newsgroups :
>
>-alt.comp.lang.p hp
>-comp.lang.php
>-alt.php
>
>Do these groups differ in purpose or is it allowed to crosspost in all 3
>of these?
>
>My guess is that my newsserver gets access to these 3 ones but other people
>maybe can read only 1.[/color]

comp.lang.php is the "official" PHP newsgroup, and supersedes the alt.* groups
which were created first. It also has the most traffic.

Most servers automatically add all the "Big-8" groups which includes all of
comp.* - coverage for alt.* groups tends to be less complete.

There may be some people who can't read the comp.lang.php group but that is
probably less likely than people not being able to read the alt.* groups. It's
preferable to just stick to comp.lang.php.

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[Domestos]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

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> -alt.comp.lang.p hp
> -comp.lang.php
> -alt.php
>
> Do these groups differ in purpose or is it allowed to crosspost in all 3
> of these?[/color]

Why should you care? Just post your question to all three. You will get
differing responses and experiences from all of them and from those answers
you will get more and better idea's,thoughts

I'm going to be flamed for that but it honestly does speed up the process of
getting an answer you need quick. so sorry about the netiquette rule, but I
rarely follow them and that is not cos of my arrogance, it is because I
assume people do not surf all three (even though I know some do)

Somebody give me a good reason why I should follow netiquette and I may well
start to give it respect.

Sorry , but its the truth.

Dom

[Default User]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

Domestos wrote:
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>[color=green]
> > -alt.comp.lang.p hp
> > -comp.lang.php
> > -alt.php
> >
> > Do these groups differ in purpose or is it allowed to crosspost in
> > all 3 of these?[/color]
>
> Why should you care? Just post your question to all three. You will
> get differing responses and experiences from all of them and from
> those answers you will get more and better idea's,thoughts
>
> I'm going to be flamed for that but it honestly does speed up the
> process of getting an answer you need quick. so sorry about the
> netiquette rule, but I rarely follow them and that is not cos of my
> arrogance, it is because I assume people do not surf all three (even
> though I know some do)
>
> Somebody give me a good reason why I should follow netiquette and I
> may well start to give it respect.[/color]


What the hell are you talking about? What part of "netiquette " are you
referring to? It's not a violation to cross-post to more than one
applicable group.




Brian

[Domestos]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

>[color=blue]
> What the hell are you talking about? What part of "netiquette " are you
> referring to? It's not a violation to cross-post to more than one
> applicable group.
>
>
>
>
> Brian[/color]

When i crossposted a few months back (in here) some cunt rapped my arse for
doing it... it's sad gits like that making over zealous rules out of
netiquette that get right up my ricker !!!!

[Alvaro G Vicario]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

*** Domestos wrote/escribió (Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:38:44 GMT):[color=blue]
> Why should you care? Just post your question to all three. You will get
> differing responses and experiences from all of them and from those answers
> you will get more and better idea's,thoughts[/color]

Why care? Because group members will simply ignore your questions if
they're a waste of time (or even if don't like your face). Answering
someone just to find out his question has already been solved in other
group is not pleasant. This is not like payed support, you know: we do it
for fun.
[color=blue]
> I'm going to be flamed for that but it honestly does speed up the process of
> getting an answer you need quick.[/color]

You'll be flamed by one or two and silently added to plonk file by some
other dozen people. If you believe that speeds up things feel free to go
ahead :)



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[tom pester]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question


But is it approropriate on the 3 newsgroups mentioned?

If there was a
- php.databases
- php.beginners
- php.windowsSpec ifig

And a beginner crosspost a starter question here I woul understand this is
frawned upon.

But the 3 php groups
-alt.comp.lang.p hp
-comp.lang.php
-alt.php

have the exact same purpose and they are in existance cause not all people
can get them.

Mabye its time to merge these groups into 1 cause I think they are here for
historical reasons.

For now how do you decide where to post a php question?


Cheers,
Tom Pester
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> *** Domestos wrote/escribió (Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:38:44 GMT):
>[color=green]
>> Why should you care? Just post your question to all three. You will
>> get differing responses and experiences from all of them and from
>> those answers you will get more and better idea's,thoughts
>>[/color]
> Why care? Because group members will simply ignore your questions if
> they're a waste of time (or even if don't like your face). Answering
> someone just to find out his question has already been solved in other
> group is not pleasant. This is not like payed support, you know: we do
> it for fun.
>[color=green]
>> I'm going to be flamed for that but it honestly does speed up the
>> process of getting an answer you need quick.
>>[/color]
> You'll be flamed by one or two and silently added to plonk file by
> some other dozen people. If you believe that speeds up things feel
> free to go ahead :)
>[/color]

[Default User]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

Domestos wrote:
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> >
> > What the hell are you talking about? What part of "netiquette " are
> > you referring to? It's not a violation to cross-post to more than
> > one applicable group.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> When i crossposted a few months back (in here) some cunt rapped my
> arse for doing it... it's sad gits like that making over zealous
> rules out of netiquette that get right up my ricker !!!![/color]


Well, that person was wrong. I vaguely remember a discussion about that
here, I don't recall if it was the same one. Crossposting (rarely) is
ok, multi-posting is bad.



Brian

[Default User]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

Alvaro G Vicario wrote:
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> *** Domestos wrote/escribió (Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:38:44 GMT):[color=green]
> > Why should you care? Just post your question to all three. You will
> > get differing responses and experiences from all of them and from
> > those answers you will get more and better idea's,thoughts[/color]
>
> Why care? Because group members will simply ignore your questions if
> they're a waste of time (or even if don't like your face). Answering
> someone just to find out his question has already been solved in other
> group is not pleasant. This is not like payed support, you know: we
> do it for fun.[/color]

You are describing multi-posting, not cross-posting. Are you aware of
the difference?



Brian

[Default User]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

tom pester wrote:

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> But the 3 php groups
> -alt.comp.lang.p hp
> -comp.lang.php
> -alt.php
>
> have the exact same purpose and they are in existance cause not all
> people can get them.[/color]

It would be rare that someone could get the alt groups but not the
comp.lang one. Possible I suppose, but highly unlikely.
[color=blue]
> Mabye its time to merge these groups into 1 cause I think they are
> here for historical reasons.[/color]

There's really no mechanism for "merging" newsgroups. The others will
exist for a long time. The landscape is littered with defunct alt
groups, it's the nature of that beast.
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> For now how do you decide where to post a php question?[/color]

I'd say here. It's high traffic and good signal to noise.



Brian

[Chung Leong]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

comp.lang.php is probably the only you need. This group is fairly
active. Other than the real obscure ones, most questions are answered
within the same day.

As for crossposting, I think it depends on the post. If you're
expressing an opinion, then crossposting to relevant groups is
appropriate. If you're asking a question, then it annoys people. After
all, you don't need the whole world's help. Asking questions without
googling the group first is annoying too.

[Domestos]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

>> Why care? Because group members will simply ignore your questions if[color=blue][color=green]
>> they're a waste of time (or even if don't like your face). Answering
>> someone just to find out his question has already been solved in other
>> group is not pleasant. This is not like payed support, you know: we
>> do it for fun.[/color][/color]

Theres alwas some cunt looking to make his name in the NG who will post an
answer... The tossers that spam dent me are at the end of the day not worth
listening too anyway.

You do it for fun??? you do it to ride higher up the NG status list and get
your name recognised !!!

[Alvaro G Vicario]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

*** Default User wrote/escribió (1 Sep 2005 16:46:26 GMT):[color=blue][color=green]
>> Why care? Because group members will simply ignore your questions if
>> they're a waste of time (or even if don't like your face). Answering
>> someone just to find out his question has already been solved in other
>> group is not pleasant. This is not like payed support, you know: we
>> do it for fun.[/color]
>
> You are describing multi-posting, not cross-posting. Are you aware of
> the difference[/color]

There isn't much difference when message is sent to groups you aren't
subscribed to: you won't know if there're other answers. That's what I
meant.


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[Els]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

Alvaro G Vicario wrote:
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> *** Default User wrote/escribió (1 Sep 2005 16:46:26 GMT):[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Why care? Because group members will simply ignore your questions if
>>> they're a waste of time (or even if don't like your face). Answering
>>> someone just to find out his question has already been solved in other
>>> group is not pleasant. This is not like payed support, you know: we
>>> do it for fun.[/color]
>>
>> You are describing multi-posting, not cross-posting. Are you aware of
>> the difference[/color]
>
> There isn't much difference when message is sent to groups you aren't
> subscribed to: you won't know if there're other answers. That's what I
> meant.[/color]

Which is not the case with cross-posting.
With cross-posting you'll see the answers from those groups too.

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[Alvaro G Vicario]

Re: Starting PHP, netequite question

*** Els wrote/escribió (Fri, 2 Sep 2005 09:04:02 +0200):[color=blue]
> Which is not the case with cross-posting.
> With cross-posting you'll see the answers from those groups too.[/color]

I see you use the same news reader than me. What are your settings? My copy
doesn't show messages from group A in group B, even if group A exists in my
news server.


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