I am trying to replicate an effect I used on a website in days of yore. It was a simple trick, setting body padding to 15px and using a container table with a width and height of 100% and a single-pixel grey border. I am a Mac user and am forever re-sizing windows. This effect gave a fine grey line around my site, inset from the browser window edges by 15px. Change the window shape and the border stayed on all four edges until the content forced overflow right or bottom. However, using a doctype '-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN' and trying all sorts of tricks in css - min-height:100%; for html, body, container etc, position:absolu te; as 15px top,right,botto m,left . . . no joy. Height 100% seems to work for full screen but I cannot include any padding. The height is not re-calculated to deduct the padding and the border just gets pushed off screen. Needless to say I want a cross-browser/platform solution. Any ideas?