CSS is BAD - my survey

[Spartanicus]

Re: CSS is BAD - my survey

Felix Miata <UgaddaBkidding .due2UCE@dev.nu l> wrote:
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>>>> Bracketing Homesite with Frontpage is a fallacy.[/color][/color]
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>>>Do you mean FP is capable of producing standards-compliant HTML?[/color][/color]
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>> If you want to make a statement do so. If this was an attempt at irony,
>> it didn't work.[/color]
>
>No irony. FP is garbageware.[/color]

And the relation to what I wrote is?

Btw, Frontpage *is* capable of producing correct and valid HTML provided
that you use it as an editor, not in it's WYSIWYG mode. Frontpage was
developed to be used in WYSIWYG mode with a manual code editor add on,
Homesite was developed as a manual code editor that temporarily had an
option to use it in WYSIWYG mode.
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>>>http://tinyurl.com/8xtkj[/color]
>>
>> I don't follow obfuscated urls.[/color]
>
>Hehe. You think the original is better? :-)
>https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...op&value0-0-0=[/color]

Yes, but I should have written that I don't follow urls unless I know
what I can expect at the end of it and why it is being posted. The
latter is still not clear.

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[Markus Ernst]

Re: CSS is BAD - my survey

petermichaux@ya hoo.com wrote:[color=blue]
> Have you seen what can be done by separating content and presentation?
>
> http://www.csszengarden.com
>
> The separation sure makes it easy for the content author and graphic
> designer to do their jobs separately.
>
> Also you aren't the only one who misses some of the things that tables
> make easy. It's just that the tables have to be implemented in the css
> file. Maybe in a few years tables will make a comeback in the form of
> css.[/color]

Tables are actually highly covered in CSS - but not layout tables ;-) Anyway
I fully agree with your general point that the future of screen presentation
is CSS.
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> Look at this
>
> http://garyblue.port5.com/webdev/3col-modern.html[/color]

Nice one - have you had a look at it in PC IE?

Some things that are actually missing for easy layouting:
- border box model (implemented in CSS 3)
- unit calculation (such as: width:50% - 3em + 2px)
- a reference for total height and width (that says: if the content is
smaller than the viewport, render to the edge of the viewport; else render
to the end of content)
- and of course overall consistent browser support, as your example shows

Also - and this goes beyond the CSS/table layout "question" - in order to
propagate a flexible design (apart from pixel-defined sizes) an algorithm
for high quality image scaling would be necessary, and also background image
scaling.

At present a total separation of structure and presentation can only be
achieved by limiting the design to the technical possibilities (which are
quite poor so far). That does not mean that CSS is bad or tables should have
a comeback, but that neither the specifications nor their technical
implementations are fully grown up.

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Markus

[Felix Miata]

Re: CSS is BAD - my survey

On 05/07/05 03:35 Spartanicus apparently typed:
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>>>>http://tinyurl.com/8xtkj[/color][/color][/color]
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>>> I don't follow obfuscated urls.[/color][/color][/color]
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>>Hehe. You think the original is better? :-)
>>https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...op&value0-0-0=[/color][/color]
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> Yes, but I should have written that I don't follow urls unless I know
> what I can expect at the end of it and why it is being posted. The
> latter is still not clear.[/color]

Of course it isn't clear. But, the first portion tells you that it is a
Mozilla.org Bugzilla buglist. The result happens to be a list of TE bugs
against sites created with FP that are broken in standards-compliant browsers.
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[Spartanicus]

Re: CSS is BAD - my survey

Felix Miata <UgaddaBkidding .due2UCE@dev.nu l> wrote:
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>Of course it isn't clear. But, the first portion tells you that it is a
>Mozilla.org Bugzilla buglist. The result happens to be a list of TE bugs
>against sites created with FP that are broken in standards-compliant browsers.[/color]

The purpose of your posts in this thread continues to be a mystery.

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[Felix Miata]

Re: CSS is BAD - my survey

On 05/07/06 09:34 Spartanicus apparently typed:
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> Felix Miata <UgaddaBkidding .due2UCE@dev.nu l> wrote:[/color]
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>>Of course it isn't clear. But, the first portion tells you that it is a
>>Mozilla.org Bugzilla buglist. The result happens to be a list of TE bugs
>>against sites created with FP that are broken in standards-compliant browsers.[/color][/color]
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> The purpose of your posts in this thread continues to be a mystery.[/color]

If you would actually open the links in the buglist it would be evident.
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[Spartanicus]

Re: CSS is BAD - my survey

Felix Miata <UgaddaBkidding .due2UCE@dev.nu l> wrote:
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>> The purpose of your posts in this thread continues to be a mystery.[/color]
>
>If you would actually open the links in the buglist it would be evident.[/color]

The mystery is why you felt the need to have a dig at FP when no one in
the thread was defending or advocating it, and why you questioned that
FP is capable of producing standard compliant HTML.

Until provide with a plausible reason I'll assume poor perception in the
first and ignorance in the latter case.

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