I am after a consise book about CSS, any ideas PLEASE??
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 23:00:30 +0100, PhilG <phil@aplusdesi gn.co.uk>
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>I am after a consise book about CSS, any ideas PLEASE??[/color]
see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/css.html#BOOKS
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Roedy Green wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 23:00:30 +0100, PhilG <phil@aplusdesi gn.co.uk>
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Thank you for that, but, in your opinion is the best of the three??
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:52:54 +0100, PhilG <phil@aplusdesi gn.co.uk>
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I like the O'Reilly book very much, but I have not read the other two
yet.
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:46:49 +0200, Thomas Jespersen
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Neither have I. I did not realise that I wanted such a book until you
asked your question. I dug around to find those three. I have not
read them. O'Reilly are rarely a disappointment.
I visited csszengarden.co m, one of the authors' sites. That blew me
away where they show the same page rendered by many different styles.
I never dreamed css was that flexible.
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Roedy Green <look-on@mindprod.com .invalid> wrote:
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>I visited csszengarden.co m, one of the authors' sites. That blew me
>away where they show the same page rendered by many different styles.
>I never dreamed css was that flexible.[/color]
CSS2 is rather inflexible, many stylistic and layout changes require a
change to the markup. Particularly so if IE5's poor CSS support is
considered as the benchmark as is the case with CSSZengarden. CSS
selectors is the only part of CSS that can be labeled as flexible, CSS2
selectors are not particularly powerful, and IE doesn't support many of
them anyway.
One of the stated aims of CSS is to separate content and styling. This
is a rather lowly aim. The higher aim is to separate the markup code
from the styling and the layout. CSS2 does a poor job in separating
markup code from styling, and it has no real support for creating page
layouts (floats, positioning and css tables are inappropriate and
woefully inadequate tools for creating a quality layout).
To push what can be achieved with CSS significant changes to the markup
code are needed, this introduces massive inflexibility. CSSZengarden is
an extreme example of this, it uses copious amounts of classes, id's,
divs and spans to create the illusion that CSS is flexible enough to
radically change the look of a site, it isn't.
CSSZengarden is misunderstood by most of the people who view it. It does
not demonstrate the power of CSS, instead it's a grotesque
misrepresentati on of the capabilities of CSS, and definitely not
something to be emulated.
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:57:00 -0300, Spartanicus <invalid@invali d.invalid>
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> an extreme example of this, it uses copious amounts of classes, id's,
> divs and spans to create the illusion that CSS is flexible enough to
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You're talking about the classitis and the divitis syndromes :D
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Thanks,
Justin.
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:00:30 -0300, PhilG <phil@aplusdesi gn.co.uk> wrote:
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> I am after a consise book about CSS, any ideas PLEASE??[/color]
I recommend:
- Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide by Eric Meyer
- Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook by Dan Cederholm
I don't recommend at all Jeffrey Zeldman's "Designing with Web Standards"
- It sucks big.
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Thanks,
Justin.
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PhilG wrote:[color=blue]
> I am after a consise book about CSS, any ideas PLEASE??[/color]
The Eric Meyer book from O'Reilly is waaaay out-of-date (and wasn't best
to begin with).
The Richard York book from Wrox is new, and deals sensibly with what is
and is not supported by what. Plus it is superbly written; York knows
css and knows he knows how to write in English. The result is a
readable, useable tutorial. (One recommendation, though: don't follow
the running example of "JT's" web site--that's a bit over the top and
does not make a pretty result. Rely more on York's individual examples.)
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Jacques wrote:[color=blue]
> PhilG wrote:
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>> I am after a consise book about CSS, any ideas PLEASE??[/color]
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> The Eric Meyer book from O'Reilly is waaaay out-of-date (and wasn't best
> to begin with).
> The Richard York book from Wrox is new, and deals sensibly with what is
> and is not supported by what. Plus it is superbly written; York knows
> css and knows he knows how to write in English. The result is a
> readable, useable tutorial. (One recommendation, though: don't follow
> the running example of "JT's" web site--that's a bit over the top and
> does not make a pretty result. Rely more on York's individual examples.)[/color]
Is it this one??
Beginning CSS : Cascading Style Sheets for Web Design (Programmer to
Programmer)
ISBN: 0-7645-7642-9
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PhilG wrote:[color=blue]
> Jacques wrote:
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>> PhilG wrote:
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>>> I am after a consise book about CSS, any ideas PLEASE??[/color]
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>> The Eric Meyer book from O'Reilly is waaaay out-of-date (and wasn't
>> best to begin with).
>> The Richard York book from Wrox is new, and deals sensibly with what
>> is and is not supported by what. Plus it is superbly written; York
>> knows css and knows he knows how to write in English. The result is a
>> readable, useable tutorial. (One recommendation, though: don't follow
>> the running example of "JT's" web site--that's a bit over the top and
>> does not make a pretty result. Rely more on York's individual examples.)[/color]
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> Is it this one??
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> Beginning CSS : Cascading Style Sheets for Web Design (Programmer to
> Programmer)
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> ISBN: 0-7645-7642-9[/color]
Yes, that's the one.
I hope you find it as instructive as I did.
(BTW, "knows he knows" in my post is a typo; I meant only that York's
skill with written instruction is much better than that of many
programmers who become authors. It's refreshing, besides helpful.
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PhilG wrote:[color=blue]
> Jacques wrote:
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>> PhilG wrote:
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>>> I am after a consise book about CSS, any ideas PLEASE??[/color]
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>> The Eric Meyer book from O'Reilly is waaaay out-of-date (and wasn't
>> best to begin with).
>> The Richard York book from Wrox is new, and deals sensibly with what
>> is and is not supported by what. Plus it is superbly written; York
>> knows css and knows he knows how to write in English. The result is a
>> readable, useable tutorial. (One recommendation, though: don't follow
>> the running example of "JT's" web site--that's a bit over the top and
>> does not make a pretty result. Rely more on York's individual examples.)[/color]
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> Is it this one??
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> Beginning CSS : Cascading Style Sheets for Web Design (Programmer to
> Programmer)
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> ISBN: 0-7645-7642-9[/color]
Yes, that's the one.
I hope you find it as instructive as I did.
(BTW, "knows he knows" in my post is a typo; I meant only that York's
skill with written instruction is much better than that of many
programmers who become authors. It's refreshing, besides helpful.
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