Tableless Layout -- Gaps Appear on PC Only

[Darrell Stec]

Re: Tableless Layout -- Gaps Appear on PC Only

After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 19 April 2005 11:58 am
usenet@c-net.us wrote:
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> Darrell Stec wrote:[color=green]
>> After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 19 April 2005 3:29 am
>> flavell@ph.gla. ac.uk wrote:[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> If there's a right and a wrong way to compose pages, the right way
>>> works for both sorts of user, the wrong way only works for the
>>> unthinking masses, then why waste time trying to find excuses for
>>> doing it wrong?[/color]
>>
>> And who decided it was the "right way?"[/color]
>
> May I ask why you are so antagonistic about setting both background and
> foreground colors in your stylesheet? You make it sound like it causes
> you undue hardship or something.
>[/color]

Sorry if my post didn't make it clear. I was writing dressing things like
"never give font sizes" or "never use Verdana. based on the assumpton that
a majority of the audience has custom stylesheets and/or font color/size
alterations in their browser. Some here seem rather dogmatic about that
which I thought was rather didactic and I wondered if any hard evidence
existed for supporting something that seemed so much like an ultimatum. As
I wrote I was unaware of any real evidence that backed the position, and
believed it to be the conjecture by a few knowledgeable programmers.

--
Later,
Darrell Stec darstec@neo.rr. com

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[Alan J. Flavell]

Re: Tableless Layout -- Gaps Appear on PC Only

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Darrell Stec wrote:
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> > If there's a right and a wrong way to compose pages, the right way
> > works for both sorts of user, the wrong way only works for the
> > unthinking masses, then why waste time trying to find excuses for
> > doing it wrong?[/color]
>
> And who decided it was the "right way?"[/color]

Which part of "the right way works for both sorts of user, the wrong
way only works for the unthinking masses" was causing you
comprehension difficulties?

[Darrell Stec]

Re: Tableless Layout -- Gaps Appear on PC Only

After serious contemplation, on or about Wednesday 20 April 2005 8:20 pm
flavell@ph.gla. ac.uk wrote:
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> On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Darrell Stec wrote:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > If there's a right and a wrong way to compose pages, the right way
>> > works for both sorts of user, the wrong way only works for the
>> > unthinking masses, then why waste time trying to find excuses for
>> > doing it wrong?[/color]
>>
>> And who decided it was the "right way?"[/color]
>
> Which part of "the right way works for both sorts of user, the wrong
> way only works for the unthinking masses" was causing you
> comprehension difficulties?[/color]

The part where you assumed that programming for a very tiny minority of
snobbish programmers was the right way.

It is beyond my comprehension you could maintain that in light of the fact
that you have no evidence that people alter their browsers beyond this
limited group who advocates such in this newsgroup.

It seems that giving font sizes is an intended objective of those who
formulated CSS, else they would have simply decided to code CSS guidelines
to include nothing but relative sizes. None of the most popular websites
seemed too concerned with YOUR ironclad rule.

--
Later,
Darrell Stec darstec@neo.rr. com

Webpage Sorcery

http://webpagesorcery.com

We Put the Magic in Your Webpages

[Alan J. Flavell]

Re: Tableless Layout -- Gaps Appear on PC Only

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005, Darrell Stec wrote:
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> The part where you assumed that programming for a very tiny minority
> of snobbish programmers was the right way.[/color]

So you're ignoring my previous answer to that point. Fine.

Bye now.

[Michael Winter]

Re: Tableless Layout -- Gaps Appear on PC Only

Darrell Stec wrote:

[snip]
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> It seems that giving font sizes is an intended objective of those who
> formulated CSS, else they would have simply decided to code CSS guidelines
> to include nothing but relative sizes.[/color]

You are aware that CSS has applications outside both (X)HTML and the
screen media type, aren't you? In some cases, it would be perfectly
acceptable to specify any sort of dimension in absolute units, but it
isn't for the Web.
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> None of the most popular websites seemed too concerned with YOUR ironclad rule.[/color]

Because they can afford to be. "Popular" sites tend to offer services
that cannot be found elsewhere. However, that's no reason to follow
suit. Just because the past or present authors of their sites are (or
were) clueless doesn't mean you or anyone else should seek to emulate them.

Good grief! Why is professionalism so hard to come by in the industry?

Mike

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[Felix Miata]

Re: Tableless Layout -- Gaps Appear on PC Only

Michael Winter wrote:
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> Good grief! Why is professionalism so hard to come by in the industry?[/color]

Because it's overwhelmed with clueless amateurs and users of M$
garbageware page creation software. :-(
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[Rick Cook]

Re: Tableless Layout -- Gaps Appear on PC Only

Michael Winter wrote:[color=blue]
> Darrell Stec wrote:
>
> [snip]
>[color=green]
>> It seems that giving font sizes is an intended objective of those who
>> formulated CSS, else they would have simply decided to code CSS
>> guidelines
>> to include nothing but relative sizes.[/color]
>
>
> You are aware that CSS has applications outside both (X)HTML and the
> screen media type, aren't you? In some cases, it would be perfectly
> acceptable to specify any sort of dimension in absolute units, but it
> isn't for the Web.
>[color=green]
>> None of the most popular websites seemed too concerned with YOUR
>> ironclad rule.[/color]
>
>
> Because they can afford to be. "Popular" sites tend to offer services
> that cannot be found elsewhere. However, that's no reason to follow
> suit. Just because the past or present authors of their sites are (or
> were) clueless doesn't mean you or anyone else should seek to emulate them.
>
> Good grief! Why is professionalism so hard to come by in the industry?
>
> Mike
>[/color]
Re-read this thread and you'll get an idea. :-(

--RC