DIVs fix!

[Henk]

Hi,

I am a beginner at CSS and think there is a big disadvantage using
DIVs in combination with CSS.

What I see happening, on sites like CSS Zen Garden etc is the
following. People claim that CSS really make up your page-layout. But
I think it doesn't. The reason is the DIV's that are used. They
actually FIX the layout on a page as they get marked up in the
..html-file, and dus not maintained in the central .css-file. The
nesting of DIV's is a way of FIXING the layout, so this is bad I
guess.

I am tending to have one big .html-file with all DIV's unnsted placed
in one line. Can any-one explain?

Henk

[Evertjan.]

Re: DIVs fix!

Henk wrote on 11 apr 2005 in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets:[color=blue]
> I am a beginner at CSS and think there is a big disadvantage using
> DIVs in combination with CSS.
>[/color]

Disadvantage to what?

Using DIVs without CSS? Perhaps for beginners?

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[Jeff North]

Re: DIVs fix!

On 11 Apr 2005 04:06:49 -0700, in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets oortm@gmx.net (Henk) wrote:
[color=blue]
>| Hi,
>|
>| I am a beginner at CSS and think there is a big disadvantage using
>| DIVs in combination with CSS.
>|
>| What I see happening, on sites like CSS Zen Garden etc is the
>| following. People claim that CSS really make up your page-layout. But
>| I think it doesn't. The reason is the DIV's that are used. They
>| actually FIX the layout on a page as they get marked up in the
>| .html-file, and dus not maintained in the central .css-file. The
>| nesting of DIV's is a way of FIXING the layout, so this is bad I
>| guess.
>|
>| I am tending to have one big .html-file with all DIV's unnsted placed
>| in one line. Can any-one explain?[/color]

Think of a DIV as a container. It can be as simple as:
<DIV id=one>
....some text
</DIV>

to more complicated
<DIV id=WholePage>
<DIV id=leftColumn>
<DIV id=Menu>
...menu Items
</DIV>
</DIV>
<DIV id=rightColumn>
<DIV id=Contents>
...some text
</DIV>
</DIV>
</DIV>

A table uses TRs and TDs to position the data.

CSS: on the Zen Garden site people submit their pages. This way they
only have to upload a single (and complete) file.

Normally I have an external stylesheet that controls the main format
of the site. But there are instances where I want to have specific
formating on an individual page, therefore I have and internal (as
well as the external) style defined.
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[Henk]

Re: DIVs fix!

Ah great, an example! I had to think of that (I was too lazy also).
Your second example shows exactly what I call the stupidity of CSS.
What I think is the problem here is that while nesting the DIVs you are
trying to create some kind of structure. So That example is intending
to be more than just a container. It is a structure in wich I think you
are bounding the page for drastic layout changes in the future.
Ofcourse I know there will be a work-around to get the nested Menu-DIV
out of the nest and do something drastic but the case is that you have
to use work-arounds to do so.

So my point is: example two is defining a layout-structure. But CSS
told me it would take care of the layout. All the layout that is.

?