Multiple Classes in "class" ok?

[saz]

Re: Multiple Classes in "class&quo t; ok?

In article <opslm4ykhqx5vg ts@zoete_b>, b_de_zoete@hotm ail.com says...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:11:44 -0600, saz <saz1958@nospam mersexcite.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > In article <opslmyffa1x5vg ts@zoete_b>, b_de_zoete@hotm ail.com says...[color=darkred]
> >> On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:47:18 -0800, Will Hartung <willh@msoft.co m> wrote:
> >>
> >> > <p class="bold pink medium">bold pink medium sized text</p>
> >> >
> >>
> >> Well, this could be okay.[/color]
> >
> > Again, what are you talking about? Of course it is okay, he can name it
> > whatever he wants.[/color]
>
> As you so conveniently snipped away, what followed was:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >> I do not like your choice of selectors,
> >> class names though.[/color][/color]
>
> And then I explained why as well:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >> Use something semantic so you remember why you put a class with
> >> an element. And be very careful with names that are
> >> attributes, properties, values, what ever. Confusion is close by
> >> if you do that.[/color][/color]
>
> Had nothing to do with 'legal' in this context, just with what would be the
> wiser thing to do. Try maintaining a site that uses .green and .big as classes,
> instead of meaningful class names. Try do a complete make over of the styles
> with classes like .pink and .medium. Good luck with it.
>
>[/color]
I "convenient ly snipped away" because it was a stupid response, and did
not address his question - is it legal? But then again, 90% of your
responses are ill-informed, stupid or degrading - take your pick.

And what's wrong with naming at a color? Seems VERY straight-forward to
me.

[Barbara de Zoete]

Re: Multiple Classes in &quot;class&quo t; ok?

On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:08:04 -0600, saz <saz1958@nospam mersexcite.com> wrote:
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> I "convenient ly snipped away" because it was a stupid response, and did
> not address his question - is it legal?[/color]

Well, again, this is not a help desk. Questions, topics of the questions get
discussed. The repsons, you think stupid, was just that. Discussion.
[color=blue]
> But then again, 90% of your
> responses are ill-informed, stupid or degrading - take your pick.
>[/color]

No, thank you. If I irritate you, just killfile me. You just did get killfiled.
[color=blue]
> And what's wrong with naming at a color? Seems VERY straight-forward to
> me.[/color]

I allready explained, twice, and, I'm not a jukebox[1].



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[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Re: Multiple Classes in &quot;class&quo t; ok?

Ali Babba wrote:
[color=blue]
> .green, .big, .pink, .medium are not meaningful ?
> the meaning of such classes appear pretty clear to me.[/color]

...until next week when you (or your client) decides s/he wants to
change all the pink stuff to .. orange.

So now you would have a "pink" class with an orange color code. No,
that is not meaningful.

Since I don't know just what the "pink" is supposed to apply to, I
cannot speculate on what is a good word. I can state though, that for
color classes, I use words like "colorhot" and "colorveryh ot" or
"colorcool" and "colorverycool" . Codes associated are dark red, bright
red, dark blue and bright blue.

If, next week, the client wants "colorveryh ot" to be .. bright green?
... I change the style sheet's color code, and well, colorveryhot is
green. But my HTML does not say "pink!" <g>
[color=blue]
> or should we instead use classnames like:
> .sinterklaas, .kerst, .oud-en-nieuw ???
> does that automatically tell what the class is about ???[/color]

You are mixing languages, which is not helpful.

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[Barbara de Zoete]

Re: Multiple Classes in &quot;class&quo t; ok?

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:13:54 -0500, Beauregard T. Shagnasty
<a.nony.mous@ex ample.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Ali Babba wrote:
>[color=green]
>> or should we instead use classnames like:
>> .sinterklaas, .kerst, .oud-en-nieuw ???
>> does that automatically tell what the class is about ???[/color]
>
> You are mixing languages, which is not helpful.
>[/color]

I killfiled that babba dude, so missed this one. I'll help you out. He took
those class names from my stylesheet.
I 'activate' them at certain holidays, such as Sinterklaas (5th december), Kerst
(Christmas) and Oud en Nieuw (New Year). So to someone who doesn't speek Dutch
they don't mean much, but to the Dutch, including me, the one maintaining this
site, they are very meaningful. What happens if I 'activate' them is that a
holiday related style (you can just see the christmas lights or fireworks, can't
you ;-) ) gets applied to my entire site.
Or maybe you guessed this already.


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[Ali Babba]

Re: Multiple Classes in &quot;class&quo t; ok?

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
[color=blue]
> Ali Babba wrote:
>[color=green]
>> .green, .big, .pink, .medium are not meaningful ?
>> the meaning of such classes appear pretty clear to me.[/color]
>
>
> ..until next week when you (or your client) decides s/he wants to change
> all the pink stuff to .. orange.
>
> So now you would have a "pink" class with an orange color code. No, that
> is not meaningful.
>
> Since I don't know just what the "pink" is supposed to apply to, I
> cannot speculate on what is a good word. I can state though, that for
> color classes, I use words like "colorhot" and "colorveryh ot" or
> "colorcool" and "colorverycool" . Codes associated are dark red, bright
> red, dark blue and bright blue.
>
> If, next week, the client wants "colorveryh ot" to be .. bright green? ..
> I change the style sheet's color code, and well, colorveryhot is green.
> But my HTML does not say "pink!" <g>
>[color=green]
>> or should we instead use classnames like:
>> .sinterklaas, .kerst, .oud-en-nieuw ???
>> does that automatically tell what the class is about ???[/color]
>
>
> You are mixing languages, which is not helpful.
>[/color]

we should not have this discussion anyway as it will not lead to
anything. i agree with what you said.

the classnames i irionically proposed came from a css file from mss jukebox.

[Ali Babba]

Re: Multiple Classes in &quot;class&quo t; ok?

Barbara de Zoete wrote:
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> I killfiled that babba dude, ...[/color]

heheh LOL
i wonder how many people she has in her kill file
must be lots of fun people, that all share a common dislike for the
never ending flow of pain_in_the_but t_patronizing_p osts from mss jukebox.

maybe she can do us a favor and post the list of names in her killfile
?! :) :)

[saz]

Re: Multiple Classes in &quot;class&quo t; ok?

In article <ctu8lg$rqt$1@n ews.hispeed.ch> , AliBabba@40Band its.com
says...[color=blue]
> Barbara de Zoete wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I killfiled that babba dude, ...[/color]
>
> heheh LOL
> i wonder how many people she has in her kill file
> must be lots of fun people, that all share a common dislike for the
> never ending flow of pain_in_the_but t_patronizing_p osts from mss jukebox.
>
> maybe she can do us a favor and post the list of names in her killfile
> ?! :) :)
>[/color]
I have yet to see her contribute anything useful to this group. She
amuses me - I think it's because she's nowhere near as smart as she
thinks she is.

And her website - it hurts my eyes! This is one designer that should
*not* be giving advice to anyone.

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Re: Multiple Classes in &quot;class&quo t; ok?

Barbara de Zoete wrote:
[color=blue]
> I killfiled that babba dude, so missed this one. I'll help you out.
> He took those class names from my stylesheet. I 'activate' them
> at certain holidays, such as Sinterklaas (5th december), Kerst
> (Christmas) and Oud en Nieuw (New Year).[/color]

That makes sense. 5th December can only ever be .. 5th December. The
styles associated with it may change, though.

5th December may be [example] blue and white this year, and red and
green next year. However, the class code for 5th December is still
meaningful. Unlike "pink".
[color=blue]
> So to someone who doesn't speek Dutch they don't mean much, but to
> the Dutch, including me, the one maintaining this site, they are
> very meaningful. What happens if I 'activate' them is that a
> holiday related style (you can just see the christmas lights or
> fireworks, can't you ;-) ) gets applied to my entire site. Or
> maybe you guessed this already.[/color]

Yes, I guessed that. <g>

(I think I will rename my menu class to ... "mystery". Or, "pinkmyster y".)

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[Richard]

Re: Multiple Classes in &quot;class&quo t; ok?

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:15:05 +0100 Barbara de Zoete wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:47:18 -0800, Will Hartung <willh@msoft.co m>
> wrote:[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Can someone clarify that multiple classes in the "class" attribute are
>> ok
>> and "legal" and not some fluke?[/color][/color]

[color=blue]
> They are 'legal', yes, as gets explained in this group about fifty
> times a year[/color]
::-(
[color=blue][color=green]
>> So, I can do:[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> .pink {color: pink}
>> .bold {font-weight: bold}
>> .medium {font-size: 12pt}[/color][/color]

[color=blue]
> No, you can't. Again, as gets explained in this group about fifty times
> a year,
> using pt as unit for font-size is a bad idea. Google for the reason.[/color]

Bullshit.
As "point" is the natural terminology of defining font size, why would it
not be "legal"?
I've used it and it validates.
I just worked on the example and it works just fine.

Using pixel instead of point, a translation must take place.
So why translate?

[Richard]

Re: Multiple Classes in &quot;class&quo t; ok?

On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:32:58 +0100 Lauri Raittila wrote:
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> in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets, Mark Carroll wrote:[color=green]
>> In article <36f9tnF51t2ihU 1@individual.ne t>,
>> Will Hartung <willh@msoft.co m> wrote:[color=darkred]
>> >Can someone clarify that multiple classes in the "class" attribute[/color]
>> are ok[color=darkred]
>> >and "legal" and not some fluke?
>> >
>> >So, I can do:
>> >
>> >.pink {color: pink}
>> >.bold {font-weight: bold}
>> >.medium {font-size: 12pt}
>> >
>> ><p class="bold pink medium">bold pink medium sized text</p>[/color]
>> (snip)[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Yes, that's fine - certainly it's in the CSS2.1 specification.
>> Browser support may be another matter: ISTR there's at least one
>> common browser that has problems with it, but I forget which.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Not with that syntax, I believe, but things like .pink.bold {
> color:yellow;fo nt-weigh:normal;} don't work as well.[/color]

because the syntax is wrong.
it should be .pink, .bold {....}

[Christoph Paeper]

Re: Multiple Classes in &quot;class&quo t; ok?

*Richard* <Anonymous@127. 001>:[color=blue]
>
> As "point" is the natural terminology of defining font size,[/color]

Strange view. "1pt" is just an alias of 1/72 'in'; "1in" is just an alias
of "25.4mm". There's no "natural terminology of defining font size" in
there. Font size is best set in an angular unit, taking the distance
text--eye into account---in theory, CSS pixels are such a unit.
[color=blue]
> I've used it and it validates.[/color]

That doesn't mean it's advisable. It's been discussed here and elsewhere
ad nauseam, please read up yourself and learn. 'em' and '%' are the only
advisable CSS units for 'font-size'; keywords may be a possibility, too.
[color=blue]
> I just worked on the example and it works just fine.[/color]

Try different browsers, operating systems, screens and (correct) screen
settings.
[color=blue]
> Using pixel instead of point,[/color]

You shouldn't use 'px' for 'font-size' either.
[color=blue]
> a translation must take place.[/color]

Huh? Current browsers map CSS pixels 1:1 onto screen pixels.

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Terry Pratchett

[Christoph Paeper]

Re: Multiple Classes in &quot;class&quo t; ok?

*Richard* <Anonymous@127. 001>:[color=blue]
> On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:32:58 +0100 Lauri Raittila wrote:
>[color=green]
>> things like .pink.bold {color:yellow;f ont-weigh:normal;}
>> don't work as well.[/color]
>
> because the syntax is wrong.
> it should be .pink, .bold {....}[/color]

That's a different thing, obviously. Both are syntactically and
grammatically valid.
".pink.bold " matches any element instance with a 'class' attribute that
includes "pink" _and_ "bold", whereas ".pink, .bold" matches any element
instance with a 'class' attribute that includes "pink" _or_ "bold" (or
both). The class names in both selectors are commutative.

Now you can do a little exercise at home by finding out what ".pink
..bold", ".pink>.bol d" and ".pink+.bol d" mean and whether they are
commutative, too. Get a bonus point for ".pink~.bol d"! Finally point out
the selector that has a lower specifity than the other five.

Next time we learn to write a selector that matches any element instance
with a 'class' attribute set to "pink", but doesn't match one with "pink
bold". And many more!

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[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Re: Multiple Classes in &quot;class&quo t; ok?

Richard wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:15:05 +0100 Barbara de Zoete wrote:[color=green]
>> No, you can't. Again, as gets explained in this group about fifty
>> times a year, using pt as unit for font-size is a bad idea.
>> Google for the reason.[/color]
>
> Bullshit. As "point" is the natural terminology of defining font
> size, why would it not be "legal"?[/color]

Wake up your brain. She said it is a Bad Idea. She did not say is was
not Legal. Yes, it is a Bad Idea.

Point is a natural terminology for print media.
[color=blue]
> I've used it and it validates. I just worked on the example and it
> works just fine.[/color]

Set all your fonts to pt, then open the page in IE and try to resize
them. It frigging doesn't work. Bad Idea.
[color=blue]
> Using pixel instead of point, a translation must take place. So why
> translate?[/color]

Huh?

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[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Re: Multiple Classes in &quot;class&quo t; ok?

/saz/ about Barbara de Zoete:
[color=blue]
> And her website - it hurts my eyes! This is one designer that should
> *not* be giving advice to anyone.[/color]

You're hilarious. Just switch the style off while viewing her site.

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[Del Ferguson]

Re: Multiple Classes in &quot;class&quo t; ok?


"Stanimir Stamenkov" <s7an10@netscap e.net> wrote in message
news:36hqffF51k 5s6U1@individua l.net...[color=blue]
> /saz/ about Barbara de Zoete:
>[color=green]
>> And her website - it hurts my eyes! This is one designer that should
>> *not* be giving advice to anyone.[/color]
>
> You're hilarious. Just switch the style off while viewing her site.
>
> --
> Stanimir[/color]

Stanimir,

How do you turn off style, easily, in IE6? Just curious.

Del Ferguson