Adding borders...

[Jon Glazer]

Re: Adding borders...

Next time try it with your images turned on like the rest of the world.


"Steve Pugh" <steve@pugh.net > wrote in message
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> "Jon Glazer" <jglazer.delete .me@adconn.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>"Steve Pugh" <steve@pugh.net > wrote in message
>>news:ehbdu0lt 6ih7gd97c1kl0is pn0u73lo6dn@4ax .com...[color=darkred]
>>> "Jon Glazer" <jglazer.delete .me@adconn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Alt tags are definitely not a requirement.
>>>
>>> Of course they're not, but only because they don't exist.
>>> alt attributes on the other hand are mandatory.
>>>
>>> Or is this a private page that no one on the actual WWW wil ever look
>>> at?[/color]
>>
>>Simple question...does it look ok?[/color]
>
> http://steve.pugh.net/test/callandermats.gif
>[color=green]
>> I thought so.[/color]
>
> Yep.
>
> Steve
>[/color]

[Steve Pugh]

Re: Adding borders...

"Jon Glazer" <jglazer.delete .me@adconn.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>"Steve Pugh" <steve@pugh.net > wrote:[color=green]
>> "Jon Glazer" <jglazer.delete .me@adconn.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Simple question...does it look ok?[/color]
>>
>> http://steve.pugh.net/test/callandermats.gif
>>[/color]
>Next time try it with your images turned on like the rest of the world.[/color]

Is that what you tell blind visitors? Is that what you tell Google? Is
that what you tell people who want to save time and money by only
downloading the images that they think are important? Is that what you
tell people when there's a hiccup on the network and your background
image doesn't get downloaded?

Adding alt attributes and setting a background colour for your content
area is the work of minutes. Your stubborness speaks volumes about how
highly you value your visitors.

Steve

[Jon Glazer]

Re: Adding borders...

Hahhahahhah

Wow, no I don't develop web sites for blind visitors. None of my clients
even consider that as an issue since their products are almost always
visual. Google has never had an issue indexing our pages.

Black is a background color.

So yep your right, I guess I should spend lots of time dealing with issues
that might effect 0.001% of potential visitors (not).

Gotta say that my clients are very happy, some of which make millions of
dollars on their web sites without anyone saying "hey, one of our customers
cannot tell what we have to offer cuz they don't want to download graphics".
Once I get a few comments like that I may devote a bit more time
concentrating on textual sites.

Any more questions?


"Steve Pugh" <steve@pugh.net > wrote in message
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> "Jon Glazer" <jglazer.delete .me@adconn.com> wrote:[color=green]
>>"Steve Pugh" <steve@pugh.net > wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Jon Glazer" <jglazer.delete .me@adconn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Simple question...does it look ok?
>>>
>>> http://steve.pugh.net/test/callandermats.gif
>>>[/color]
>>Next time try it with your images turned on like the rest of the world.[/color]
>
> Is that what you tell blind visitors? Is that what you tell Google? Is
> that what you tell people who want to save time and money by only
> downloading the images that they think are important? Is that what you
> tell people when there's a hiccup on the network and your background
> image doesn't get downloaded?
>
> Adding alt attributes and setting a background colour for your content
> area is the work of minutes. Your stubborness speaks volumes about how
> highly you value your visitors.
>
> Steve
>[/color]

[Christoph Paeper]

Re: Adding borders...

*Jon Glazer* <jglazer.delete .me@adconn.com> :[color=blue]
>
> Ignorant?[/color]

To such a degree, that it's almost hard to believe you're not trolling.
[color=blue]
> You need not put ALT="bla bla bla" (commonly referred as "alt tags") in
> images (or img) tags.[/color]

Let me guess, you've never had an actual look at the HTML specification,
let alone the DTD(s). Guessing again, you probably don't even know where
to find it nor what a DTD is.

F'up2 poster

--
The English language is the result of Norman soldiers
trying to set up dates with Saxon barmaids.
---
A polar bear is a rectangular bear after a coordinate transform.

[Jon Glazer]

Re: Adding borders...

Yes I know what all that is. Personally I'd prefer to spend my time on
paying and working sites than to nit-pick very little irrelevant details
that do not effect the actual quality of the site nor its functionality.


"Christoph Paeper" <christoph.paep er@nurfuerspam. de> wrote in message
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> *Jon Glazer* <jglazer.delete .me@adconn.com> :[color=green]
>>
>> Ignorant?[/color]
>
> To such a degree, that it's almost hard to believe you're not trolling.
>[color=green]
>> You need not put ALT="bla bla bla" (commonly referred as "alt tags") in
>> images (or img) tags.[/color]
>
> Let me guess, you've never had an actual look at the HTML specification,
> let alone the DTD(s). Guessing again, you probably don't even know where
> to find it nor what a DTD is.
>
> F'up2 poster
>
> --
> The English language is the result of Norman soldiers
> trying to set up dates with Saxon barmaids.
> ---
> A polar bear is a rectangular bear after a coordinate transform.[/color]

[Jón Fairbairn]

Re: Adding borders...

"Jon Glazer" <jglazer.delete .me@adconn.com> writes:
[color=blue]
> Hahhahahhah
>
> Wow, no I don't develop web sites for blind visitors. None of my clients
> even consider that as an issue since their products are almost always
> visual. Google has never had an issue indexing our pages.
>
> Black is a background color.
>
> So yep your right, I guess I should spend lots of time dealing with issues
> that might effect 0.001% of potential visitors (not).
>
> Gotta say that my clients are very happy, some of which make millions of
> dollars on their web sites without anyone saying "hey, one of our customers
> cannot tell what we have to offer cuz they don't want to download graphics".
> Once I get a few comments like that I may devote a bit more time
> concentrating on textual sites.
>
> Any more questions?[/color]

Are any of your clients in the UK? Because if they are your
are leaving them open to action under the disability
discrimination act.

--
Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fairbairn@c l.cam.ac.uk

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Re: Adding borders...

Jon Glazer wrote:
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> Ignorant?
>
> Highly doubtfull.[/color]

Not so much any more ...
[color=blue]
> You need not put ALT="bla bla bla" (commonly referred as "alt
> tags") in images (or img) tags.[/color]

Really? Take your pages here, then.

http://validator.w3.org/

Only newbies call them alt tags.

Oh, and please learn how to post. Thanks.

http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#upside

Get a news reader that accepts the press of the PageDown key.

open the front cover and begin reading there?
the back cover and end up at the front or do you
chapter one or do you start somewhere near
When reading a book, do you start at

--
-bts
-This space intentionally left blank.

[Jon Glazer]

Re: Adding borders...

Well this is pointless. Wasting too many calleries on a worthless
conversation thats entirely opinionated. I make a very good living
developing sites and have been for many many years.

Have fun



"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@ex ample.invalid> wrote in message
news:34o8hdF4ej mobU1@individua l.net...[color=blue]
> Jon Glazer wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Ignorant?
>>
>> Highly doubtfull.[/color]
>
> Not so much any more ...
>[color=green]
>> You need not put ALT="bla bla bla" (commonly referred as "alt
>> tags") in images (or img) tags.[/color]
>
> Really? Take your pages here, then.
> http://validator.w3.org/
>
> Only newbies call them alt tags.
>
> Oh, and please learn how to post. Thanks.
> http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#upside
> Get a news reader that accepts the press of the PageDown key.
>
> open the front cover and begin reading there?
> the back cover and end up at the front or do you
> chapter one or do you start somewhere near
> When reading a book, do you start at
>
> --
> -bts
> -This space intentionally left blank.[/color]

[Jon Glazer]

Re: Adding borders...

Already responded...thi s conversation is going no where and does not pertain
to the topic at hand.


"Jón Fairbairn" <jon.fairbairn@ cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> "Jon Glazer" <jglazer.delete .me@adconn.com> writes:
>[color=green]
>> Hahhahahhah
>>
>> Wow, no I don't develop web sites for blind visitors. None of my clients
>> even consider that as an issue since their products are almost always
>> visual. Google has never had an issue indexing our pages.
>>
>> Black is a background color.
>>
>> So yep your right, I guess I should spend lots of time dealing with
>> issues
>> that might effect 0.001% of potential visitors (not).
>>
>> Gotta say that my clients are very happy, some of which make millions of
>> dollars on their web sites without anyone saying "hey, one of our
>> customers
>> cannot tell what we have to offer cuz they don't want to download
>> graphics".
>> Once I get a few comments like that I may devote a bit more time
>> concentrating on textual sites.
>>
>> Any more questions?[/color]
>
> Are any of your clients in the UK? Because if they are your
> are leaving them open to action under the disability
> discrimination act.
>
> --
> Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fairbairn@c l.cam.ac.uk[/color]

[Jan Roland Eriksson]

Re: Adding borders...

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:53:40 GMT, "Jon Glazer"
<jglazer.delete .me@adconn.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Ignorant?[/color]

Yes.
[color=blue]
>Highly doubtfull.[/color]

Prove me wrong (if you really know how to).

--
Rex

[Christoph Paeper]

Re: Adding borders...

*Jon Glazer* <jglazer.delete .me@adconn.com> :[color=blue]
>
> I make a very good living developing sites[/color]

That's the point: It's not about you, the author, but about the many
others, whom your work is (or should be) made for.

--
Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on FTP,
and let the rest of the world mirror it. (Linus Torvalds)

[Jan Roland Eriksson]

Re: Adding borders...

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:10:09 GMT, "Jon Glazer"
<jglazer.delete .me@adconn.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>"Steve Pugh" <steve@pugh.net > wrote in message
>news:ln2bu0db8 mandjgduvgro7ks j4tfq9miei@4ax. com...[color=green]
>> "Jon Glazer" <jglazer.delete .me@adconn.com> wrote:[/color][/color]
[...][color=blue][color=green]
>> Before or after I suggested doing just that?
>> Just curious as to whether I totally wasted my time.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
>OOps sorry steve, forgot to mention that, as I was posting the problem a
>possible solution occured to me. You just responded too fast for me to say
>I got it fixed. Thanks for the help though![/color]

You for one is exactly ignorant, to the base level of the word itself.

Post to usenet, wait for a discussion to start which may give you
several possibilities on how to solve your problem.

DO NOT change the turf for the guys who might be inclined to help you
out (but in your case I doubt you have many of those left here for you).

--
Rex

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Re: Adding borders...

Jon Glazer wrote:
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> Well this is pointless. Wasting too many calleries[/color]

Results 1 - 10 of about 7,080 for calleries. (0.37 seconds)
[color=blue]
> on a worthless conversation thats entirely opinionated. I make a
> very good living developing sites and have been for many many
> years.[/color]

You're cheating someone... maybe lots of someones...
[color=blue]
> Have fun[/color]

We are, top-poster.

--
-bts
-This space intentionally left blank.

[Alexander Mueller]

Re: Adding borders...

Jan Roland Eriksson wrote:[color=blue]
>
> Post to usenet, wait for a discussion to start which may give you
> several possibilities on how to solve your problem.[/color]

The given "advices" were not related to Jon's actual question.

Alexander

[Nik Thomas]

Re: Adding borders...

Jon Glazer.exe failed a Turing test with
[color=blue]
> Well this is pointless. Wasting too many calleries on a worthless
> conversation thats entirely opinionated. I make a very good living
> developing sites and have been for many many years.
>
> Have fun
>[/color]

You are William G Schlake and I claim my £5.

Nik

--
I wish to be dissociated from your interpretation of my opinions

Few men think, but all have opinions.