firefox and CSS files

[Russ Wickstrom]

I have a webpage (http://www.clergytaxes.com/taxwarn.html) that looks fine
in IE but isn't applying any of the style in Firefox.

I am still in the process of converting this site to a stylesheet based
design, and cannot see my problem.

The stylesheet is in the images folder on the same server.
(http://www.clergytaxes.com/images/ct.css)

Could someone steer me in the right direction please?

Thank you,

Russ Wickstrom
Minneapolis, MN

rkwickstrom@yah oo.com

[Henri Sivonen]

Re: firefox and CSS files

In article <10u0nb6a2raln3 8@corp.supernew s.com>,
"Russ Wickstrom" <rwickstrom@acc ess4less.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> I have a webpage (http://www.clergytaxes.com/taxwarn.html) that looks fine
> in IE but isn't applying any of the style in Firefox.[/color]
....[color=blue]
> Could someone steer me in the right direction please?[/color]

Misconfigured server. MIME type of CSS files should be text/css and not
text/plain.

http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/faq.html#stylenotworking

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Henri Sivonen
hsivonen@iki.fi

http://iki.fi/hsivonen/

Mozilla Web Author FAQ: http://mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/faq.html

[Russ Wickstrom]

Re: firefox and CSS files

I have tried it with both no type (as it is now) and with the
'type="text/css"'

This has made no difference.

--Russ

"Henri Sivonen" <hsivonen@iki.f i> wrote in message
news:hsivonen-B4848A.00393709 012005@news.dna internet.net...[color=blue]
> In article <10u0nb6a2raln3 8@corp.supernew s.com>,
> "Russ Wickstrom" <rwickstrom@acc ess4less.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I have a webpage (http://www.clergytaxes.com/taxwarn.html) that looks[/color][/color]
fine[color=blue][color=green]
> > in IE but isn't applying any of the style in Firefox.[/color]
> ...[color=green]
> > Could someone steer me in the right direction please?[/color]
>
> Misconfigured server. MIME type of CSS files should be text/css and not
> text/plain.
>
> http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-deve...tylenotworking
>
> --
> Henri Sivonen
> hsivonen@iki.fi
> http://iki.fi/hsivonen/
> Mozilla Web Author FAQ: http://mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/faq.html[/color]

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Re: firefox and CSS files

Russ Wickstrom wrote:
[color=blue]
> I have tried it with both no type (as it is now) and with the
> 'type="text/css"'
>
> This has made no difference.[/color]

Just after you load the page in Firefox, go open the JavaScript
console, on the Tools menu. You will see the error:

Error: The stylesheet http://www.clergytaxes.com/images/ct.css was not
loaded because its MIME type, "text/plain", is not "text/css".

Your host is not serving CSS files correctly. Contact them, and read
this error to them.

IE, of course, doesn't play by the rules. It should also reject the
stylesheet.

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[Henri Sivonen]

Re: firefox and CSS files

In article <10u110ojuhapt9 6@corp.supernew s.com>,
"Russ Wickstrom" <rwickstrom@acc ess4less.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> I have tried it with both no type (as it is now) and with the
> 'type="text/css"'[/color]

The attribute is not the issue. The MIME type sent by the server is.

--
Henri Sivonen
hsivonen@iki.fi

http://iki.fi/hsivonen/

Mozilla Web Author FAQ: http://mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/faq.html

[Jón Fairbairn]

Re: firefox and CSS files

Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.f i> writes:
[color=blue]
> In article <10u110ojuhapt9 6@corp.supernew s.com>,
> "Russ Wickstrom" <rwickstrom@acc ess4less.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I have tried it with both no type (as it is now) and with the
> > 'type="text/css"'[/color]
>
> The attribute is not the issue. The MIME type sent by the server is.[/color]

To make this explicit, one can do something like this:

wget -S --delete-after http://www.clergytaxes.com/images/ct.css
--12:06:19-- http://www.clergytaxes.com/images/ct.css
=> `ct.css'
Resolving wwwcache.cam.ac .uk... done.
Connecting to wwwcache.cam.ac .uk[131.111.8.1]:8080... connected.
Proxy request sent, awaiting response...
1 HTTP/1.0 200 OK
2 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:37:20 GMT
3 Server: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) mod_jk PHP/4.2.0 FrontPage/5.0.2.2510
4 Last-Modified: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:38:06 GMT
5 ETag: "105ffe-298-41df013e"
6 Accept-Ranges: bytes
7 Content-Length: 664
8 Content-Type: text/plain
9 X-Cache: MISS from iota.wwwcache.c am.ac.uk
10 X-Cache-Lookup: MISS from iota.wwwcache.c am.ac.uk:8080
11 Proxy-Connection: close

100%[=============== =============== =============>] 664 648.44K/s ETA 00:00

12:06:21 (648.44 KB/s) - `ct.css' saved [664/664]

Removing ct.css.

Since the server is apache, you can probably get it to set
the type by incanting the appropriate magic spells in
..htaccess (google for that).

--
Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fairbairn@c l.cam.ac.uk

[Alan J. Flavell]

Re: firefox and CSS files

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
[color=blue]
> IE, of course, doesn't play by the rules. It should also reject the
> stylesheet.[/color]

By my reading of the rules, it *must* (not merely "should") reject the
stylesheet when presented with the wrong media type from the server.

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Re: firefox and CSS files

Alan J. Flavell wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>[color=green]
>> IE, of course, doesn't play by the rules. It should also reject
>> the stylesheet.[/color]
>
> By my reading of the rules, it *must* (not merely "should") reject
> the stylesheet when presented with the wrong media type from the
> server.[/color]

Of course. I was being polite. <g>

(Then again, there are all these posts... "how do I force.." and I
don't like to force anything...)

If IE did reject all non text/css stylesheets, my major ISPs webmail
program would generate about two million support calls today.

From Firefox:
Warning: The stylesheet https://[MajorIspHere]/css/styles.css was
loaded as CSS even though its MIME type, "applicatio n/x-pointplus", is
not "text/css".

So Firefox will load an x-pointplus stylesheet!

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[Henri Sivonen]

Re: firefox and CSS files

In article <34g2d7F4am31gU 1@individual.ne t>,
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@ex ample.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
> From Firefox:
> Warning: The stylesheet https://[MajorIspHere]/css/styles.css was
> loaded as CSS even though its MIME type, "applicatio n/x-pointplus", is
> not "text/css".
>
> So Firefox will load an x-pointplus stylesheet![/color]

In the quirks mode, yes.

--
Henri Sivonen
hsivonen@iki.fi

http://iki.fi/hsivonen/

Mozilla Web Author FAQ: http://mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/faq.html

[Alan J. Flavell]

Re: firefox and CSS files

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
[color=blue]
> Warning: The stylesheet https://[MajorIspHere]/css/styles.css was
> loaded as CSS even though its MIME type, "applicatio n/x-pointplus",
> is not "text/css".[/color]

Mercy! Is that piece of nonsense still going on? I was grumbling
about that in around 1996 already, and last saw it happening two or
three years back. I suppose this goes into the same class as the ISP
who proudly told their customer "We don't support CSS". Scarcely
credible, what?

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Re: firefox and CSS files

Alan J. Flavell wrote:[color=blue]
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Warning: The stylesheet https://[MajorIspHere]/css/styles.css was
>> loaded as CSS even though its MIME type,
>> "applicatio n/x-pointplus", is not "text/css".[/color]
>
> Mercy! Is that piece of nonsense still going on? I was grumbling
> about that in around 1996 already, and last saw it happening two
> or three years back. I suppose this goes into the same class as
> the ISP who proudly told their customer "We don't support CSS".[/color]

Yep, still going on. I've reported it at their support center oh about
every two months for a couple of years or so. Such a simple change to
the servers... no luck. (They are Netscape-Enterprise/6.0 running Sun
Solaris, according to Netcraft.)
[color=blue]
> Scarcely credible, what?[/color]

All of their web pages are crap. Henri points out that FF will read
the css in quirks mode (which I didn't remember). For the most part,
these pages aren't even worthy of being called "quirky."

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-bts
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