Two CSS Classes. Is this possible?

[shapper]

Hello,

Is it possible to apply a style to a div that has exactly two CSS
Classes?

<div class="A B">Test 1</div>

<div class="A">Test 2</div>

I want to change the background color of the first div because it has
classes A and B applied.

I need to be able to create like a composite class ... I think this is
not possible. Just checking.

Thanks,
Miguel

[Jukka K. Korpela]

Re: Two CSS Classes. Is this possible?

shapper wrote:

Is it possible to apply a style to a div that has exactly two CSS
Classes?

Of course.

<div class="A B">Test 1</div>
>
<div class="A">Test 2</div>
>
I want to change the background color of the first div because it has
classes A and B applied.

What's the problem? You can use either the selector .A or the selector .B,
or even the selector div - or the selector *, to take things into the
extreme.

I need to be able to create like a composite class ... I think this is
not possible. Just checking.

I think you are not really describing the problem. I guess you mean that the
CSS rules should _only_ apply to a div that has both classes.

For this, you would just the selector

div.A.B

--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

[Joshua Cranmer]

Re: Two CSS Classes. Is this possible?

shapper wrote:

Hello,
>
Is it possible to apply a style to a div that has exactly two CSS
Classes?
>
<div class="A B">Test 1</div>
>
<div class="A">Test 2</div>
>
I want to change the background color of the first div because it has
classes A and B applied.

..A.B will style all elements with both classes A and B, but this does
not work on IE 6.0 (although it does on IE 7+).

--
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not
tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth

[shapper]

Re: Two CSS Classes. Is this possible?

On Sep 23, 5:22 pm, "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorp...@cs.tu t.fiwrote:

shapper wrote:

Is it possible to apply a style to a div that has exactly two CSS
Classes?

>
Of course.
>

<div class="A B">Test 1</div>

>

<div class="A">Test 2</div>

>

I want to change the background color of the first div because it has
classes A and B applied.

>
What's the problem? You can use either the selector .A or the selector .B,
or even the selector div - or the selector *, to take things into the
extreme.
>

I need to be able to create like a composite class ... I think this is
not possible. Just checking.

>
I think you are not really describing the problem. I guess you mean that the
CSS rules should _only_ apply to a div that has both classes.
>
For this, you would just the selector
>
div.A.B
>
--
Yucca,http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

Hi,

Yes I meant div.A.B ...

I didn't know how to explain it.

As usual, it does not work in IE 6 ... Does anyone has some statistics
for how IE 6 is still used?

Do you still care about IE6 or not? Just wondering ...

Thanks,
Miguel

[Jukka K. Korpela]

Re: Two CSS Classes. Is this possible?

shapper wrote:

As usual, it does not work in IE 6 ...

So what? You remember the usual CSS caveats, don't you?

Does anyone has some statistics
for how IE 6 is still used?

Lies, blatant lies, statistics, Internet statistics - do you really want to
go that way?

Do you still care about IE6 or not?

You haven't told which kind of optional presentational suggestions (which is
all you can say in CSS) you are trying to make, so how could _we_ decide
whether it matters that the most common (?) browser ignores them? And you
haven't explained why you would need to use a two-class selector instead of
something more robust.

--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

[shapper]

Re: Two CSS Classes. Is this possible?

On Sep 23, 7:39 pm, "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorp...@cs.tu t.fiwrote:

shapper wrote:

As usual, it does not work in IE 6 ...

>
So what? You remember the usual CSS caveats, don't you?
>

Does anyone has some statistics
for how IE 6 is still used?

>
Lies, blatant lies, statistics, Internet statistics - do you really want to
go that way?
>

Do you still care about IE6 or not?

>
You haven't told which kind of optional presentational suggestions (whichis
all you can say in CSS) you are trying to make, so how could _we_ decide
whether it matters that the most common (?) browser ignores them? And you
haven't explained why you would need to use a two-class selector instead of
something more robust.
>
--
Yucca,http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

I don't need but it would make my CSS shorter because I would use less
classes in my code ...

As I said, I was just wondering if this was possible ... it would be
good in some cases.

I am developing following W3C rules and I don't ignore IE6 ...

But I suppose there will be one day when IE6 will be not commonly
used. I hope the day is not that far :-)

Thank You,
Miguel

[Harlan Messinger]

Re: Two CSS Classes. Is this possible?

Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

shapper wrote:
>

>As usual, it does not work in IE 6 ...

>
So what? You remember the usual CSS caveats, don't you?
>

>Does anyone has some statistics
>for how IE 6 is still used?

>
Lies, blatant lies, statistics, Internet statistics - do you really want
to go that way?

If, for example, the statistics for a government website that receives
over 40,000 visits a day show that 28% of the requests from IE are
currently from IE6 (as is the case), the actual usage may be 35% or 25%
or 20% but it's really unlikely that it's 5% or 1%. So the information
is useful as long as one is aware of the margin of error involved.

Having said that, a new Sharepoint-based application was showing that
90%+ of its hits were coming from IE4. It turned out that the
application's own content indexer was being identified as IE4.

[Jukka K. Korpela]

Re: Two CSS Classes. Is this possible?

Harlan Messinger wrote:

>Lies, blatant lies, statistics, Internet statistics - do you really
>want to go that way?

>
If, for example, the statistics for a government website that receives
over 40,000 visits a day show that 28% of the requests from IE are
currently from IE6 (as is the case), the actual usage may be 35% or
25% or 20%

Or something else. Moreover, which "actual usage"? Usage when accessing that
site, or web access in general? One site's statistics, even if it were
meaningful in its own context, says nothing about another site's usage.

By the way, according to most statistics I've seen, IE 6 is still more
common than IE 7, or about equally common. Anything older than IE 6 is
almost ignorable by now, which is of course good news to authors.

So the
information is useful as long as one is aware of the margin of error
involved.

Which margin of error? You don't know it. You _might_ have a reasonable
good estimate of the margin error for a _site_ (that is, you might be able
to say that with reasonable probability, visits to a particular site are
made with, say, IE 6 in 40 - 60 % of cases. But regarding web usage in
general, what would you base the estimates on? Gut feeling? Then please
don't use pseudostatistic al terms like "margin of error".

--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

[Harlan Messinger]

Re: Two CSS Classes. Is this possible?

Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

Harlan Messinger wrote:
>

>>Lies, blatant lies, statistics, Internet statistics - do you really
>>want to go that way?

>>
>If, for example, the statistics for a government website that receives
>over 40,000 visits a day show that 28% of the requests from IE are
>currently from IE6 (as is the case), the actual usage may be 35% or
>25% or 20%

>
Or something else. Moreover, which "actual usage"? Usage when accessing
that site, or web access in general? One site's statistics, even if it
were meaningful in its own context, says nothing about another site's
usage.
>
By the way, according to most statistics I've seen, IE 6 is still more
common than IE 7, or about equally common. Anything older than IE 6 is
almost ignorable by now, which is of course good news to authors.
>

>So the
>information is useful as long as one is aware of the margin of error
>involved.

>
Which margin of error? You don't know it. You _might_ have a reasonable
good estimate of the margin error for a _site_ (that is, you might be
able to say that with reasonable probability, visits to a particular
site are made with, say, IE 6 in 40 - 60 % of cases. But regarding web
usage in general, what would you base the estimates on? Gut feeling?
Then please don't use pseudostatistic al terms like "margin of error".

Absent any particular reason to think that the millions of otherwise
diverse people with IE6 have substantially different browsing habits
from the millions of otherwise diverse people with IE7, it's a
reasonably good estimate for the population at large. That isn't a gut
feeling, it's a statistically sound observation. And so I chose to use a
pedestrian term instead of "confidence interval" or "standard error".
Got anything else pointless to pick on while you're at it? Would you
like to challenge me on degrees of freedom and Bayesian analysis while
you're at it?

[Jukka K. Korpela]

Re: Two CSS Classes. Is this possible?

Harlan Messinger wrote:

[excessive quotation, always a useful indicator]

Absent any particular reason to think that the millions of otherwise
diverse people with IE6 have substantially different browsing habits
from the millions of otherwise diverse people with IE7, it's a
reasonably good estimate

You verbosely try to put the burden of proof on anyone who asks what you
base your statements on.

That isn't a gut
feeling, it's a statistically sound observation.

You haven't expressed anything statistical. Just some babbling followed by a
claim on being "statistica lly sound".

Everyday experience is enough here, naturally assuming that your world of
experience contains so-called normal users.

We don't _need_ any statistics for deciding that we still have IE 6 users
with us. Still less we need off-topic pseudo-statistics.

--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

[Harlan Messinger]

Re: Two CSS Classes. Is this possible?

Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

Harlan Messinger wrote:
>
[excessive quotation, always a useful indicator]
>

>Absent any particular reason to think that the millions of otherwise
>diverse people with IE6 have substantially different browsing habits
>from the millions of otherwise diverse people with IE7, it's a
>reasonably good estimate

>
You verbosely try to put the burden of proof on anyone who asks what you
base your statements on.
>

>That isn't a gut
>feeling, it's a statistically sound observation.

>
You haven't expressed anything statistical. Just some babbling followed
by a claim on being "statistica lly sound".

Then you don't understand anything I said and you don't understand
statistics.

Everyday experience is enough here, naturally assuming that your world
of experience contains so-called normal users.

Now you're *advocating* using gut feelings ("everyday experience",
which, for some reason, is better used unmeasured than measured or at
least sampled).

We don't _need_ any statistics for deciding that we still have IE 6
users with us. Still less we need off-topic pseudo-statistics.

You evidently don't understand statistics.

[dorayme]

Re: Two CSS Classes. Is this possible?

In article <DytCk.70808$_0 3.66709@reader1 .news.saunalaht i.fi>,
"Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tu t.fiwrote:

Harlan Messinger wrote:
>

Lies, blatant lies, statistics, Internet statistics - do you really
want to go that way?

If, for example, the statistics for a government website that receives
over 40,000 visits a day show that 28% of the requests from IE are
currently from IE6 (as is the case), the actual usage may be 35% or
25% or 20%

>
Or something else. Moreover, which "actual usage"? Usage when accessing that
site, or web access in general? One site's statistics, even if it were
meaningful in its own context, says nothing about another site's usage.
>

So? If you were to employ a principle of charitable interpretation - not
your strong point, I know, - you would extend HM's point in a reasonable
rather than an unreasonable way to cover sites in general. The point is
this, if lots of stats were coming in for individual sites (say big well
known ones), and one made a rough average, then this rough average might
still be useful within a rough margin of error assessment. No, not
useless, useful. Useful. Enough for a rational person to think, "Hmm,
clearly better not ignore IE6's little peccadillos yet on this site I am
making; given that I see no special type of audience different to the
sorts that use the websites in the stats."

Look, the truth is not that you don't understand stats (as a justifiably
irritated HM said) but that you ... well.. you are just being you.

In As Good As It Gets, Helen Hunt, in exasperation says about Jack
Nicholson, who is one doozie of an awkward dude, that she wished he
would stop being himself for a moment.

So the
information is useful as long as one is aware of the margin of error
involved.

>
please
don't use pseudostatistic al terms like "margin of error".

It is hardly *this* in the context of this audience.

--
dorayme

[shapper]

Re: Two CSS Classes. Is this possible?

On Sep 24, 11:48 pm, dorayme <doraymeRidT... @optusnet.com.a uwrote:

In article <DytCk.70808$_0 3.66...@reader1 .news.saunalaht i.fi>,
 "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorp...@cs.tu t.fiwrote:
>

Harlan Messinger wrote:

>

>Lies, blatant lies, statistics, Internet statistics - do you really
>want to go that way?

>

If, for example, the statistics for a government website that receives
over 40,000 visits a day show that 28% of the requests from IE are
currently from IE6 (as is the case), the actual usage may be 35% or
25% or 20%

>

Or something else. Moreover, which "actual usage"? Usage when accessingthat
site, or web access in general? One site's statistics, even if it were
meaningful in its own context, says nothing about another site's usage.

>
So? If you were to employ a principle of charitable interpretation - not
your strong point, I know, - you would extend HM's point in a reasonable
rather than an unreasonable way to cover sites in general. The point is
this, if lots of stats were coming in for individual sites (say big well
known ones), and one made a rough average, then this rough average might
still be useful within a rough margin of error assessment. No, not
useless, useful. Useful. Enough for a rational person to think, "Hmm,
clearly better not ignore IE6's little peccadillos yet on this site I am
making; given that I see no special type of audience different to the
sorts that use the websites in the stats."
>
Look, the truth is not that you don't understand stats (as a justifiably
irritated HM said) but that you ... well.. you are just being you.
>
In As Good As It Gets, Helen Hunt, in exasperation says about Jack
Nicholson, who is one doozie of an awkward dude, that she wished he
would stop being himself for a moment.
>

So the
information is useful as long as one is aware of the margin of error
involved.

>

please
don't use pseudostatistic al terms like "margin of error".

>
It is hardly *this* in the context of this audience.
>
--
dorayme

Maybe the best approach would be to use an analysis system as Google
Analytics on the web site and check over time what browsers and even
screen size are the users using and how the evolution is for that web
site and then update the web site over time according to it ...

[dorayme]

Re: Two CSS Classes. Is this possible?

In article
<6f131dc4-3591-4511-80fc-f8968a749444@d1 g2000hsg.google groups.com>,
shapper <mdmoura@gmail. comwrote:

Maybe the best approach would be to use an analysis system as Google
Analytics on the web site and check over time what browsers and even
screen size are the users using and how the evolution is for that web
site and then update the web site over time according to it ...

The best approach is to keep worrying about IE6 until it becomes obvious
that you should not. Never mind all this fine argy bargy.

Why would you need to update a website that satisfies IE6 if it already
satisfies other better browsers?

--
dorayme

[shapper]

Re: Two CSS Classes. Is this possible?

On Sep 25, 1:21 am, dorayme <doraymeRidT... @optusnet.com.a uwrote:

In article
<6f131dc4-3591-4511-80fc-f8968a749...@d1 g2000hsg.google groups.com>,
>
 shapper <mdmo...@gmail. comwrote:

Maybe the best approach would be to use an analysis system as Google
Analytics on the web site and check over time what browsers and even
screen size are the users using and how the evolution is for that web
site and then update the web site over time according to it ...

>
The best approach is to keep worrying about IE6 until it becomes obvious
that you should not. Never mind all this fine argy bargy.
>
Why would you need to update a website that satisfies IE6 if it already
satisfies other better browsers?
>
--
dorayme

You have a point there ...

I am just saying that many times when I post a problem I get an
solution that does not work with IE6 and other that works.

Usually the one that does not work with IE6 seems much more logic and
easier to code ...

But I got it ...

Thanks,
Miguel