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  • Fred Oz
    #16
    Re: Complicated Question?

    Mark Johnson wrote:[color=blue]
    > Mark Johnson <102334.12@comp userve.com> wrote:
    > sheets just so I won't get a horizontal scroll bar in Firefox - which
    > browser hardly anyone uses. It'll take time. It might be worth it.[/color]

    According to W3schools, 17% of their visitors last month were using
    browsers identifying as "Mozilla", a fair proportion of which would be
    Firefox.

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    So even if Firefox was only half of the 'zillas, that's 8% of surfers
    you are deciding to ignore - and that's a lot of potential visitors.

    Cheers, Fred.

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      • Mark Johnson
        #17
        Re: Complicated Question?

        Fred Oz <ozfred@iinet.n et.au> wrote:
        [color=blue]
        >Mark Johnson wrote:[color=green]
        >> Mark Johnson <102334.12@comp userve.com> wrote:
        >> sheets just so I won't get a horizontal scroll bar in Firefox - which
        >> browser hardly anyone uses. It'll take time. It might be worth it.[/color]
        >
        > According to W3schools, 17% of their visitors last month were using
        > browsers identifying as "Mozilla", a fair proportion of which would be
        > Firefox.
        >
        > http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
        >
        > So even if Firefox was only half of the 'zillas, that's 8% of surfers
        > you are deciding to ignore - and that's a lot of potential visitors.[/color]

        I wouldn't ignore anyone. You serve out a page without anything. And
        they see that. Maybe slightly better than plain text. But not much
        more. Bullets. Heading. Paragraphs. Basic, presentable. It's fine. But
        in fact, I'm trying to upgrade to Firefox, specifically. It's actually
        better 'behaved' than IE. I notice no real difference between
        'standards' and quirks mode in Firefox for either my javascript or
        style sheets. IE wasn't the same. But I had to develop for IE,
        initially, because it's still IE's game. Be realistic.

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          • Mark Johnson
            #18
            Re: Complicated Question?

            Neal <neal413@yahoo. com> wrote:
            [color=blue]
            >On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:13:28 -0700, Mark Johnson
            ><102334.12@com puserve.com> wrote:[/color]
            [color=blue]
            >What actually happens to my knowledge is that the browser, say IE6, looks
            >for the precise string <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
            >"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> and if it sees that, bingo, we're
            >in standards mode.[/color]

            No, it kicks into standards mode even if you use "x" "x". Any text in
            that second argument kicks it into standards. Try it and see.

            Now, if you want to say that specific functionality is not either
            available or suppressed in THIS way, and IS by specific strings as you
            suggest, then be specific. What specific functionality? What specific
            DOM elements? What specific CSS?

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              • Brian
                #19
                Re: Complicated Question?

                Mark Johnson wrote:[color=blue]
                > Brian wrote:
                >
                >[color=green]
                >> Browsers do not switch rendering modes based on whether the
                >> document validates or not. They determine which mode to use based
                >> on whether a doc type declaration is present, and if so, which one.[/color]
                >
                >
                > You're repeating back to me what _I_ originally wrote.[/color]

                No, I did not. You were confusing standards mode with document
                validation, as if the two were conntected. Here's what you wrote
                elsewhere in this thread:

                <quote>
                ....standards mode did not allow custom attributes.
                </quote>

                A browser's rendering mode is not affected by your use of invented
                attributes. It is determined solely by the dtd.

                --
                Brian (remove "invalid" to email me)

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                  • Mark Johnson
                    #20
                    Re: Complicated Question?

                    Brian <usenet3@juliet remblay.com.inv alid> wrote:
                    [color=blue]
                    >Mark Johnson wrote:[color=green]
                    >> Brian wrote:[/color][/color]
                    [color=blue][color=green]
                    >> You're repeating back to me what _I_ originally wrote.[/color][/color]
                    [color=blue]
                    >No, I did not.[/color]

                    I was saying that you did. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree, and
                    both reread the previous messages.

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