Any decent CSS forums?

**BenOne©** · Jul 20 '05, 10:58 PM

Re: Any decent CSS forums?

Stan Brown wrote:
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> "Ben Thomas" <idontthink@so. ok> wrote in
> comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets:
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>>I don't have WWW access from the place I posted the original question.
>>
>>If it was something posted many times in the past, and no-one could be
>>bothered to reply with the actual answer, I would have appreciated it if
>>someone had said "check google", but as they didn't even do that, the
>>regulars make it look like they don't know the answer.[/color]
>
>
> If you have Usenet but not WWW access (unlikely though that seems),
> what good would it have done to tell you to check google?
>
> Contrariwise, if you can check google, why didn't you?
>[/color]

It wouldn't have helped, but it would have displayed that someone actually knew
the answer to my question.

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**BenOne©** · Jul 20 '05, 10:58 PM

Re: Any decent CSS forums?

Stan Brown wrote:
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> "Ben Thomas" <idontthink@so. ok> wrote in
> comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets:
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>>Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>If that made you ask a provocative question that effectively meant "you
>>>are too stupid for me",[/color]
>>
>>Please explain what is so provocative about:
>>"Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more
>>advanced issues that this news group?"[/color]
>
>
> He did explain: Your question implies "this forum is too slow and
> stupid for me."
>[/color]

That is not an explanation. How does it imply that?

Why try to reinterpret my words? Why not take them literally?

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**BenOne©** · Jul 20 '05, 10:58 PM

Re: Thanks Neal (was Re: Any decent CSS forums?)

Neal wrote:

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>
> This is a little clever... have not tested.
>
> Wrap your content in a div, set height: 100%. Set a background image
> (white on left, the rest black) for that div which is 1px high and say
> 2000px wide. (Wider than you need it to be.) Set it to repeat-y.[/color]

Won't that result in scroll-bars?

Where in the CSS spec is "repeat-y" mentioned?

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**Christoph Paeper** · Jul 20 '05, 10:58 PM

Re: Any decent CSS forums?

*BenOne©* <nosp@m.thanks. mate>:[color=blue]
> Stan Brown wrote:[color=green]
>> "Ben Thomas" <idontthink@so. ok> wrote in[/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Please explain what is so provocative about:
>>> "Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more
>>> advanced issues that this news group?"[/color]
>>
>> He did explain: Your question implies "this forum is too slow and
>> stupid for me."[/color]
>
> That is not an explanation. How does it imply that?[/color]

"Do you still beat your wife?"
[color=blue]
> Why try to reinterpret my words? Why not take them literally?[/color]

Because we suppose you're a human being like us.

P.S.: Get rid of your stupid and overly long disclaimer.

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**Neal** · Jul 20 '05, 10:58 PM

Re: Thanks Neal (was Re: Any decent CSS forums?)

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 00:10:05 GMT, BenOne© <nosp@m.thanks. mate> wrote:
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> Neal wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>
>> This is a little clever... have not tested.
>>
>> Wrap your content in a div, set height: 100%. Set a background image
>> (white on left, the rest black) for that div which is 1px high and say
>> 2000px wide. (Wider than you need it to be.) Set it to repeat-y.[/color]
>
> Won't that result in scroll-bars?[/color]

Not for a background. Shouldn't, anyway...
[color=blue]
> Where in the CSS spec is "repeat-y" mentioned?[/color]

See http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/colors.html for all of this.

**Jukka K. Korpela** · Jul 20 '05, 10:58 PM

Re: Any decent CSS forums?

Christoph Paeper <christoph.paep er@nurfuerspam. de> wrote:
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> *BenOne©* <nosp@m.thanks. mate>:[/color]
- -[color=blue]
> P.S.: Get rid of your stupid and overly long disclaimer.[/color]

I would rather ask him to keep it as a bogosity signal as long as he
keeps behaving unproductively. I find it disgusting that he uses
_different_ forged From lines. Although it makes effective killfiling a
little more difficult, it surely confirms the need for killfiling.

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**BenOne©** · Jul 20 '05, 10:58 PM

Re: Any decent CSS forums?

Christoph Paeper wrote:
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> *BenOne©* <nosp@m.thanks. mate>:
>[color=green]
>>Stan Brown wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>"Ben Thomas" <idontthink@so. ok> wrote in[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>>>Please explain what is so provocative about:
>>>>"Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more
>>>>advanced issues that this news group?"
>>>
>>>He did explain: Your question implies "this forum is too slow and
>>>stupid for me."[/color]
>>
>>That is not an explanation. How does it imply that?[/color]
>
>
> "Do you still beat your wife?"[/color]

Sorry but that's going straight over my head.
[color=blue][color=green]
>>Why try to reinterpret my words? Why not take them literally?[/color]
>
>
> Because we suppose you're a human being like us.[/color]

It's insane to choose a different meaning for someone's words. It comes across
as a very insecure behaviour.

At no point did I intend to offend anyone. I did not mean to suggest that the
regulars here are the least bit stupid.

Frankly, I'm not clever enough to subtly suggest other things when writing my posts.
[color=blue]
>
> P.S.: Get rid of your stupid and overly long disclaimer.[/color]

Good point. Fixing it now. Some has to remain - company says so.

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**Neal** · Jul 20 '05, 10:58 PM

Re: Any decent CSS forums?

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:40:05 GMT, BenOne© <nosp@m.thanks. mate> wrote:
[color=blue]
> It's insane to choose a different meaning for someone's words. It comes
> across as a very insecure behaviour.
>
> At no point did I intend to offend anyone. I did not mean to suggest
> that the regulars here are the least bit stupid.
>
> Frankly, I'm not clever enough to subtly suggest other things when
> writing my posts.[/color]

Ben... what are you after here? What's your goal in this exchange?

if it's about commentary you didn't like, well, I tried to help. You have
to tolerate a little side discussion even if it's not to your liking,
otherwise you alienate the natives. Fortunately this is not cannibal
country.

**BenOne©** · Jul 20 '05, 10:58 PM

Re: Any decent CSS forums?

Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
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> Christoph Paeper <christoph.paep er@nurfuerspam. de> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>*BenOne©* <nosp@m.thanks. mate>:[/color]
>
> - -
>[color=green]
>>P.S.: Get rid of your stupid and overly long disclaimer.[/color]
>
>
> I would rather ask him to keep it as a bogosity signal as long as he
> keeps behaving unproductively. I find it disgusting that he uses
> _different_ forged From lines. Although it makes effective killfiling a
> little more difficult, it surely confirms the need for killfiling.
>[/color]

And if you really wanted to, you could just kilffile me based on the from name
which appears in the sender field of the news reader. I guess it's also just
part of the From: header.

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**BenOne©** · Jul 20 '05, 10:58 PM

Re: Any decent CSS forums?

Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
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> Christoph Paeper <christoph.paep er@nurfuerspam. de> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>*BenOne©* <nosp@m.thanks. mate>:[/color]
>
> - -
>[color=green]
>>P.S.: Get rid of your stupid and overly long disclaimer.[/color]
>
>
> I would rather ask him to keep it as a bogosity signal as long as he
> keeps behaving unproductively. I find it disgusting that he uses
> _different_ forged From lines. Although it makes effective killfiling a
> little more difficult, it surely confirms the need for killfiling.[/color]

I posted from two different places. Sorry if having two broken From: lines
offends you.

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**BenOne©** · Jul 20 '05, 10:58 PM

Re: Any decent CSS forums?

Neal wrote:
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> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:40:05 GMT, BenOne© <nosp@m.thanks. mate> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> It's insane to choose a different meaning for someone's words. It
>> comes across as a very insecure behaviour.
>>
>> At no point did I intend to offend anyone. I did not mean to suggest
>> that the regulars here are the least bit stupid.
>>
>> Frankly, I'm not clever enough to subtly suggest other things when
>> writing my posts.[/color]
>
>
> Ben... what are you after here? What's your goal in this exchange?
>
> if it's about commentary you didn't like, well, I tried to help. You
> have to tolerate a little side discussion even if it's not to your
> liking, otherwise you alienate the natives. Fortunately this is not
> cannibal country.[/color]

Just trying to make it clear that I don't appreciate people criticising me for
things I didn't say, and to make it clear that at no point did I intend to
offend anyone.

I visit many groups, and this is the most eccentric I've come across. Vever
before have I been accused and attacked as I have hear, which is frankly very
hurtful.

I greatly appreciate your replies and answers to my CSS problems, and also
appreciate those posters who continue to discuss these other matters with me as
we all work to a better understanding of each other. Those who've simply
kilfilled me couldn't come across as more immature if they tried.

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**Neal** · Jul 20 '05, 10:58 PM

OT WAS Re: Any decent CSS forums?

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:10:08 GMT, BenOne© <nosp@m.thanks. mate> wrote:
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> I visit many groups, and this is the most eccentric I've come across.[/color]

Most newsgroups are rather lax. This one happens to be otherwise.
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> Vever before have I been accused and attacked as I have hear, which is
> frankly very hurtful.[/color]

Well, as it's often said in Usenet, "grow some skin"... because you're
deep in the jungle now.
[color=blue]
> I greatly appreciate your replies and answers to my CSS problems, and
> also appreciate those posters who continue to discuss these other
> matters with me as we all work to a better understanding of each other.
> Those who've simply kilfilled me couldn't come across as more immature
> if they tried.[/color]

Best practice is to use your best judgement and ignore the naysayers;
unless those naysayers happen to be particularly valuable resources, in
which case accomodate and give deference. In your case, I doubt you did
the necessary pre-posting homework. (There's a reason we're advised to
lurk before we post....)

Just use best judgement and contribute to the discussion. You'll earn back
anything you may have lost in time.

**Matthias Gutfeldt** · Jul 20 '05, 10:58 PM

Re: Any decent CSS forums?

BenOne© wrote:[color=blue]
> I visit many groups, and this is the most eccentric I've come across.[/color]

LOL! ciwas is the LEAST eccentric newsgroup I'm reading. I guess you
just live a sheltered life :-).

As for "other CSS forums", there are other newsgroups that deal with
CSS, e.g. alt.html, but not as extensively as this one.

Other than that, you might want to try the CSS Discuss mailing list:
<http://www.css-discuss.org/>.

Matthias

**Andrew Thompson** · Jul 20 '05, 10:59 PM

Re: OT WAS Re: Any decent CSS forums?

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:17:03 -0400, Neal wrote:
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> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:10:08 GMT, BenOne© <nosp@m.thanks. mate> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I visit many groups, and this is the most eccentric I've come across.[/color]
>
> Most newsgroups are rather lax. This one happens to be otherwise.[/color]

I really enjoy the nature of this group.

'You'* are mostly a bunch of uncompromising
'hard-cases' who do not give concessions
to anyone. You also do not generally put
up with hackish solutions, or waste bandwidth
with this 'overly polite' crap..
That keeps the group both lean and useful.

* 'You' in this instance refers to you if you
wish it to do so.. There are certainly a couple
of very, very 'nice' (shudders) regulars around
this group who I have never heard utter an angry
(or even mildly peeved) word..

I would prefer to be sworn at, but get the
optimal solutions for my visitors, than OTOH
get a 'polite' answer that works for less of them..

I have had to opt out of other groups because
the S/N ratio dropped too far. I doubt that
will happen with CIWAS.

[ ..and yes, I *have* been told on this group
that what I was attempting was ridiculous,
stupid, pointless or just plain bad. My sites
(and visitors) have benefited from that. ;-) ]

To all the hard cases out there (as well as the
nice people who have helped me!), thank you.

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**BenOne©** · Jul 20 '05, 10:59 PM

Re: OT WAS Re: Any decent CSS forums?

Neal wrote:
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> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:10:08 GMT, BenOne© <nosp@m.thanks. mate> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I visit many groups, and this is the most eccentric I've come across.[/color]
>
>
> Most newsgroups are rather lax. This one happens to be otherwise.
>[color=green]
>> Vever before have I been accused and attacked as I have hear, which is
>> frankly very hurtful.[/color]
>
>
> Well, as it's often said in Usenet, "grow some skin"... because you're
> deep in the jungle now.
>[color=green]
>> I greatly appreciate your replies and answers to my CSS problems, and
>> also appreciate those posters who continue to discuss these other
>> matters with me as we all work to a better understanding of each
>> other. Those who've simply kilfilled me couldn't come across as more
>> immature if they tried.[/color]
>
>
> Best practice is to use your best judgement and ignore the naysayers;
> unless those naysayers happen to be particularly valuable resources, in
> which case accomodate and give deference. In your case, I doubt you did
> the necessary pre-posting homework. (There's a reason we're advised to
> lurk before we post....)
>
> Just use best judgement and contribute to the discussion. You'll earn
> back anything you may have lost in time.[/color]

Thanks for your thoughts Neal. They say you never stop learning.

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