Webhost won't change server config

[Harlan Messinger]

Re: Webhost won't change server config


"Andrew Urquhart" <reply@website. in.sig> wrote in message
news:xgyec.1571 2$4N3.13881@new sfe1-win...[color=blue]
> Harlan Messinger wrote:[color=green]
> > I'm curious how many web sites require that files with the extension
> > ".css" be served as any content type OTHER than "text/css". How did
> > it get to be "applicatio n/x-pointplus" in the first place? What IS
> > that content type?[/color]
>
> It's quite common apparently:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=appli...ntplus+problem
>
> http://sunsolve.sun.com/pub-cgi/retr...sunone%2F3755:
> "The file type .css is not mapped to cascading style sheets in the
> default mime types included with Enterprise Server"[/color]

Maybe it's a miracle that ".html" is mapped to "text/html". I mean, what are
they thinking?

[Harlan Messinger]

Re: Webhost won't change server config


"Andrew Urquhart" <reply@website. in.sig> wrote in message
news:xgyec.1571 2$4N3.13881@new sfe1-win...[color=blue]
> Harlan Messinger wrote:[color=green]
> > I'm curious how many web sites require that files with the extension
> > ".css" be served as any content type OTHER than "text/css". How did
> > it get to be "applicatio n/x-pointplus" in the first place? What IS
> > that content type?[/color]
>
> It's quite common apparently:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=appli...ntplus+problem
>
> http://sunsolve.sun.com/pub-cgi/retr...sunone%2F3755:
> "The file type .css is not mapped to cascading style sheets in the
> default mime types included with Enterprise Server"[/color]

Maybe it's a miracle that ".html" is mapped to "text/html". I mean, what are
they thinking?

[John Bokma]

Re: Webhost won't change server config

Tony Carnell wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hi all,
>
> A couple of days ago I posted a message to this newsgroup relating to the
> fact that a design I'd worked on for a client wasn't displaying its
> stylesheet in Mozilla browsers.
> I was advised by a couple of other newsgroup members far more knowledgeable
> that I on this subject that I should contact the Web host and ask them to
> alter the way the server was sending the CSS from content type
> "applicatio n/x-pointplus" to "text/css" instead.
>
> This I duly did but they have come back to me saying:
> "We do not make any changes to config on shared servers. Your site is shared
> with lots of others, and if we make changes this could impact on them".
>
> Does this sound like a reasonable response?[/color]

No, that's a f*ck you.
[color=blue]
> How badly could this alteration
> impact on other websites that share the same server?[/color]

None, with Apache, where you can make a per virtual server
configuration. Like you don't all have the same document root and same
cgi-bin etc.
[color=blue]
> I could tell the client to go for a dedicated server, but that would be
> costly.
> I could also tell the client to change Web hosts, but I feel I need more
> information before doing this, and if it's possible to resolve this matter
> with the current host it would make life a lot easier all round.[/color]

Tell them to fix it asap, or you find a more technical competent hosting
provider.

--
John personal page: http://johnbokma.com/

Experienced Perl / Java developer available - http://castleamber.com/

[John Bokma]

Re: Webhost won't change server config

Tony Carnell wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hi all,
>
> A couple of days ago I posted a message to this newsgroup relating to the
> fact that a design I'd worked on for a client wasn't displaying its
> stylesheet in Mozilla browsers.
> I was advised by a couple of other newsgroup members far more knowledgeable
> that I on this subject that I should contact the Web host and ask them to
> alter the way the server was sending the CSS from content type
> "applicatio n/x-pointplus" to "text/css" instead.
>
> This I duly did but they have come back to me saying:
> "We do not make any changes to config on shared servers. Your site is shared
> with lots of others, and if we make changes this could impact on them".
>
> Does this sound like a reasonable response?[/color]

No, that's a f*ck you.
[color=blue]
> How badly could this alteration
> impact on other websites that share the same server?[/color]

None, with Apache, where you can make a per virtual server
configuration. Like you don't all have the same document root and same
cgi-bin etc.
[color=blue]
> I could tell the client to go for a dedicated server, but that would be
> costly.
> I could also tell the client to change Web hosts, but I feel I need more
> information before doing this, and if it's possible to resolve this matter
> with the current host it would make life a lot easier all round.[/color]

Tell them to fix it asap, or you find a more technical competent hosting
provider.

--
John personal page: http://johnbokma.com/

Experienced Perl / Java developer available - http://castleamber.com/

[Stephen Poley]

Re: Webhost won't change server config

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:39:32 +0100, "Tony Carnell" <tony@fluvius.c o.uk>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>A couple of days ago I posted a message to this newsgroup relating to the
>fact that a design I'd worked on for a client wasn't displaying its
>stylesheet in Mozilla browsers.
>I was advised by a couple of other newsgroup members far more knowledgeable
>that I on this subject that I should contact the Web host and ask them to
>alter the way the server was sending the CSS from content type
>"applicatio n/x-pointplus" to "text/css" instead.
>
>This I duly did but they have come back to me saying:
>"We do not make any changes to config on shared servers. Your site is shared
>with lots of others, and if we make changes this could impact on them".
>
>Does this sound like a reasonable response?[/color]

If they can't serve CSS files properly they shouldn't be describing
themselves as a web hosting service.
[color=blue]
>How badly could this alteration
>impact on other websites that share the same server?[/color]

Unlikely that it would have the slightest negative impact on anyone.
[color=blue]
>I could tell the client to go for a dedicated server, but that would be
>costly.
>I could also tell the client to change Web hosts, but I feel I need more
>information before doing this, and if it's possible to resolve this matter
>with the current host it would make life a lot easier all round.[/color]

I guess you could point people to:

http://www.websitedev.de/css/validator-faq and

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2318.txt

--
Stephen Poley

http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/

[Stephen Poley]

Re: Webhost won't change server config

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:39:32 +0100, "Tony Carnell" <tony@fluvius.c o.uk>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>A couple of days ago I posted a message to this newsgroup relating to the
>fact that a design I'd worked on for a client wasn't displaying its
>stylesheet in Mozilla browsers.
>I was advised by a couple of other newsgroup members far more knowledgeable
>that I on this subject that I should contact the Web host and ask them to
>alter the way the server was sending the CSS from content type
>"applicatio n/x-pointplus" to "text/css" instead.
>
>This I duly did but they have come back to me saying:
>"We do not make any changes to config on shared servers. Your site is shared
>with lots of others, and if we make changes this could impact on them".
>
>Does this sound like a reasonable response?[/color]

If they can't serve CSS files properly they shouldn't be describing
themselves as a web hosting service.
[color=blue]
>How badly could this alteration
>impact on other websites that share the same server?[/color]

Unlikely that it would have the slightest negative impact on anyone.
[color=blue]
>I could tell the client to go for a dedicated server, but that would be
>costly.
>I could also tell the client to change Web hosts, but I feel I need more
>information before doing this, and if it's possible to resolve this matter
>with the current host it would make life a lot easier all round.[/color]

I guess you could point people to:

http://www.websitedev.de/css/validator-faq and

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2318.txt

--
Stephen Poley

http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/

[David Dorward]

Re: Webhost won't change server config

Harlan Messinger wrote:
[color=blue]
> I would think that the real issue is that it's the *wrong* content type
> for serving CSS files, rather than because it's an *experimental* one.[/color]

Is it the wrong content type for serving Pointplus files?

--
David Dorward <http://blog.dorward.me .uk/> <http://dorward.me.uk/>

[David Dorward]

Re: Webhost won't change server config

Harlan Messinger wrote:
[color=blue]
> I would think that the real issue is that it's the *wrong* content type
> for serving CSS files, rather than because it's an *experimental* one.[/color]

Is it the wrong content type for serving Pointplus files?

--
David Dorward <http://blog.dorward.me .uk/> <http://dorward.me.uk/>

[Harlan Messinger]

Re: Webhost won't change server config


"David Dorward" <dorward@yahoo. com> wrote in message
news:c5er8g$8g2 $1$8300dec7@new s.demon.co.uk.. .[color=blue]
> Harlan Messinger wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I would think that the real issue is that it's the *wrong* content type
> > for serving CSS files, rather than because it's an *experimental* one.[/color]
>
> Is it the wrong content type for serving Pointplus files?[/color]

I looked up PointPlus. Do they still exist? I wonder who told them it was a
smashing idea to use the same extension as CSS files or, more puzzling, who
told the groups that build a major web server or two that it was more
important for a web server to support PointPlus than to support CSS, or even
who is hosting web sites these days who thinks his customers are more likely
to need PointPlus than CSS.

[Alan J. Flavell]

Re: Webhost won't change server config

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, David Dorward wrote:
[color=blue]
> Harlan Messinger wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I would think that the real issue is that it's the *wrong* content type
> > for serving CSS files, rather than because it's an *experimental* one.[/color]
>
> Is it the wrong content type for serving Pointplus files?[/color]

The IANA registry doesn't seem to have a registered type for them.

http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application/

So presumably there's nothing better on offer than this geriatric
application/x-* that we were fighting already back in 1996 in the
early days of CSS.

By current conventions, I'd expect a "vendor-specific"
application/vnd.* to be applicable, if one was wanted.

Do they even exist any more? Attempts to access likely web domains
produce a horrible "this domain is for sale" page - and even Mozilla
seems to have allowed itself to be subverted into displaying not only
a scrolling status area but even a scrolling *title bar*, yeuch (can't
that be turned off? at least the site's attempts at popups are being
squashed by the browser!).

[Harlan Messinger]

Re: Webhost won't change server config


"David Dorward" <dorward@yahoo. com> wrote in message
news:c5er8g$8g2 $1$8300dec7@new s.demon.co.uk.. .[color=blue]
> Harlan Messinger wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I would think that the real issue is that it's the *wrong* content type
> > for serving CSS files, rather than because it's an *experimental* one.[/color]
>
> Is it the wrong content type for serving Pointplus files?[/color]

I looked up PointPlus. Do they still exist? I wonder who told them it was a
smashing idea to use the same extension as CSS files or, more puzzling, who
told the groups that build a major web server or two that it was more
important for a web server to support PointPlus than to support CSS, or even
who is hosting web sites these days who thinks his customers are more likely
to need PointPlus than CSS.

[Alan J. Flavell]

Re: Webhost won't change server config

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, David Dorward wrote:
[color=blue]
> Harlan Messinger wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I would think that the real issue is that it's the *wrong* content type
> > for serving CSS files, rather than because it's an *experimental* one.[/color]
>
> Is it the wrong content type for serving Pointplus files?[/color]

The IANA registry doesn't seem to have a registered type for them.

http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application/

So presumably there's nothing better on offer than this geriatric
application/x-* that we were fighting already back in 1996 in the
early days of CSS.

By current conventions, I'd expect a "vendor-specific"
application/vnd.* to be applicable, if one was wanted.

Do they even exist any more? Attempts to access likely web domains
produce a horrible "this domain is for sale" page - and even Mozilla
seems to have allowed itself to be subverted into displaying not only
a scrolling status area but even a scrolling *title bar*, yeuch (can't
that be turned off? at least the site's attempts at popups are being
squashed by the browser!).

[dr. zoidberg]

Re: Webhost won't change server config

Tony Carnell wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hi all,
>
> A couple of days ago I posted a message to this newsgroup relating to the
> fact that a design I'd worked on for a client wasn't displaying its
> stylesheet in Mozilla browsers.[/color]
</snip>[color=blue]
> All information / advice will be greatly appreciated.[/color]

you can allways put your css inline, but you will waste bandwidth that
way. My advice is: if they don't change they config file move your web
site from them.

[dr. zoidberg]

Re: Webhost won't change server config

Tony Carnell wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hi all,
>
> A couple of days ago I posted a message to this newsgroup relating to the
> fact that a design I'd worked on for a client wasn't displaying its
> stylesheet in Mozilla browsers.[/color]
</snip>[color=blue]
> All information / advice will be greatly appreciated.[/color]

you can allways put your css inline, but you will waste bandwidth that
way. My advice is: if they don't change they config file move your web
site from them.