How To: Use CSS Properly

[Brian]

Re: How To: Use CSS Properly

Harlan Messinger wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Posted via http://www.forum4designers.com[/color][/color]
>
> Two or three people have complained about them here in the last couple of
> days, but I don't see what the problem is. What's going on?[/color]

Their users do not follow usenet norms, like quoting a bit of the
message to which they reply; often, their reply to one message in a
thread ends up somewhere random. For a while, its users didn't even
*know* that their posts were going to usenet. They have apparently
changed that, but the interface is still not conducive to useful
participation in a newsgroup.

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[Steve Sundberg]

Re: How To: Use CSS Properly

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 01:38:51 GMT, Brian
<usenet2@juliet remblay.com.inv alid-remove-this-part> wrote:[color=blue]
>
>Their users do not follow usenet norms, like quoting a bit of the
>message to which they reply; often, their reply to one message in a
>thread ends up somewhere random. For a while, its users didn't even
>*know* that their posts were going to usenet. They have apparently
>changed that, but the interface is still not conducive to useful
>participatio n in a newsgroup.[/color]

Sounds just like the days back when AOL first allowed its members
access to Usenet! Remember all the "Me, too!" messages with no
quoting? <grin>

[Eric Bohlman]

Re: How To: Use CSS Properly

jake <jake@gododdin. demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:r$HQdeU6np FAFwk7@gododdin .demon.co.uk:
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>>Besides that, the poster through this 'forum' has no clue to where
>>his/her message goes and therefore doesn't know what is regarded as
>>'usual behaviour'. Usual being not topposting, not spamming, using a
>>sig separator, including relevant lines from previous post in thread,
>>reading previous messages, reading the FAQ, searching Google for
>>possible previous discussion about topic etcetera.[/color]
>
> ........ sounds a bit 'elitist' to me.[/color]

Sounds more like "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" to me. Usenet
newsgroups have established cultures of their own. Hiding that fact from
people is Not A Good Thing. The conventions mentioned above were developed
over several decades by Usenet posters based on observations of what worked
well and what didn't.

[jake]

Re: How To: Use CSS Properly

In message <Xns947E2102889 F3ebohlmanomsde vcom@130.133.1. 4>, Eric Bohlman
<ebohlman@earth link.net> writes[color=blue]
>jake <jake@gododdin. demon.co.uk> wrote in
>news:r$HQdeU6n pFAFwk7@gododdi n.demon.co.uk:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>Besides that, the poster through this 'forum' has no clue to where
>>>his/her message goes and therefore doesn't know what is regarded as
>>>'usual behaviour'. Usual being not topposting, not spamming, using a
>>>sig separator, including relevant lines from previous post in thread,
>>>reading previous messages, reading the FAQ, searching Google for
>>>possible previous discussion about topic etcetera.[/color]
>>
>> ........ sounds a bit 'elitist' to me.[/color]
>
>Sounds more like "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" to me. Usenet
>newsgroups have established cultures of their own. Hiding that fact from
>people is Not A Good Thing.[/color]

Exactly. Let's educate them, rather than take the attitude that as
they're coming through another gateway let's give them a hard time.
[color=blue]
>The conventions mentioned above were developed
>over several decades by Usenet posters based on observations of what worked
>well and what didn't.[/color]

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Jake

[Nick Kew]

Re: How To: Use CSS Properly

In article <40173bf3.51908 063@news1.mm.co m>,
deejay@mm.com (Steve Sundberg) writes:
[color=blue]
> Sounds just like the days back when AOL first allowed its members
> access to Usenet! Remember all the "Me, too!" messages with no
> quoting? <grin>[/color]

No I don't.

I do remember that meltdown was predicted ahead of AOL joining. And
that it never happened. AOL's admins handled the join extremely well,
and have been a remarkably well-behaved ISP ever since.

I get buckets of spam from roadrunner, optonline, comcast, verizon, gte,
etc, etc, mostly forged as "from" either a big scapegoat (aol, hotmail,
yahoo, etc) or a non-US country the rednecks want to nuke. And I see
very little spam or other trouble originating from AOL. That's
quite remarkable given how big they are.

They certainly wouldn't meet my needs, but ISTM they do a decent job
of meeting the needs of their target audience, and a *very* good job
of running a clean shop and not damaging the rest of the 'net.

A total contrast with Microsoft unleashing software that's such a
fertile breeding-ground for viruses, and refusing even to try and fix
it over the years.

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Nick Kew