Why does TD not inherit from BODY?

[Axel Dahmen]

Hi,

there's one question that's been bothering me for a long time: Why does the TD element not inherit from the BODY element? Is there any reason why properties like "font-family" or "font-size" are not applied to content of TD if I assign them to the BODY element?

Thanks a lot for enlightening me!

Axel Dahmen

[Steve Pugh]

Re: Why does TD not inherit from BODY?

"Axel Dahmen" <NoSpam@NoOneKn ows.de> wrote:
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>there's one question that's been bothering me for a long time:
>Why does the TD element not inherit from the BODY element?[/color]

It does.
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>Is there any reason why properties like "font-family" or "font-size"
>are not applied to content of TD if I assign them to the BODY element?[/color]

The problem is with crap browsers. Modern browsers handle inheritence
correctly, but in many cases you need to specify a doctype that will
trigger standards mode rather than quirks mode.

Steve

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[Lauri Raittila]

Re: Why does TD not inherit from BODY?

In article <bea01q$ac9$1@s unce.iskon.hr>, Berislav Lopac wrote:
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> Lasse and Steve explained it excellently, and I just want to let you know
> that you can work around such bugs using the body * selector, which sets the
> style for all elements which are descendents of body.[/color]

And you might end up with having all headers same size, unless you
explicitly set them.

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[David Dorward]

Re: Why does TD not inherit from BODY?

Axel Dahmen wrote:
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> Why does the TD element not inherit from the BODY element? Is there any
> reason why properties like "font-family" or "font-size" are not applied to
> content of TD if I assign them to the BODY element?[/color]

Other people have explained the why, this is the how:

table, thead, tbody, tr, td, th {
font-size: inherit;
font-family: inherit;
}

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[Axel Dahmen]

Re: Why does TD not inherit from BODY?

Thanks a lot to all of you for your valuable and versatile answers. You've been a great help to me.

Now there's one thing I don't understand: "quirks mode" and "standard mode" seem to have become a technical term. I don't understand their meaning in terms of a browser's mode. How do I set a browser to one or the other? Or is it just a label for a style definition like the one David Dorward posted:
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> Other people have explained the why, this is the how:
>
> table, thead, tbody, tr, td, th {
> font-size: inherit;
> font-family: inherit;
> }[/color]

TIA,
Axel Dahmen

[Geoff Ball]

Re: Quirks mode vs. Standards mode

Axel Dahmen <bf4qsu$873$1@o nline.de> wrote in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets:
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> Now there's one thing I don't understand: "quirks mode" and "standard
> mode" seem to have become a technical term. I don't understand their
> meaning in terms of a browser's mode. How do I set a browser to one or the
> other?[/color]

http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/quirks/

http://dbaron.org/mozilla/quirklist

http://www.hut.fi/u/hsivonen/doctype.html

http://developer.apple.com/internet/html/doctype.html

http://nontroppo.org/wiki/OperaQuirksMode

http://diveintomark.org/archives/2002/05/29/quirks_mode.html

http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/doctype.html

Regards,
Geoff

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http://www.doctype.ca/

http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?Geoff_Ball

[Richard Barnet]

Re: Quirks mode vs. Standards mode

"Geoff Ball" <usenet@doctype .ca> wrote in message
news:3160181.Tu WkE2YOz3@doctyp e.ca...[color=blue]
>
> http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/quirks/
> http://dbaron.org/mozilla/quirklist
> http://www.hut.fi/u/hsivonen/doctype.html
> http://developer.apple.com/internet/html/doctype.html
> http://nontroppo.org/wiki/OperaQuirksMode
> http://diveintomark.org/archives/200...irks_mode.html
> http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/doctype.html
>[/color]

Much better. =)

-- Richard

[Geoff Ball]

Re: Why does TD not inherit from BODY?

Richard Barnet <bf4rcr$2g0$1@n nrp.atgi.net> wrote in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets:
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> "Axel Dahmen" <NoSpam@NoOneKn ows.de> wrote in message
> news:bf4qsu$873 $1@online.de...
>[color=green]
>> Now there's one thing I don't understand: "quirks mode" and "standard[/color]
> mode" seem to[color=green]
>> have become a technical term. I don't understand their meaning in terms
>> of[/color]
> a browser's[color=green]
>> mode. How do I set a browser to one or the other?[/color]
>
> As far as I understand it, it's an MSIE thing.[/color]

Mozilla and Opera, among others, have both modes as well.
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> IE6 (at least) 'switches' modes according to the DOCTYPE you use on the
> first line of your page(s).[/color]

It's rather weird in how it determines which mode to go into. If you put
anything before the doctype, it goes into Quirks mode, regardless of if
your doctype was proper or not. See
<URL:http://www.hut.fi/u/hsivonen/doctype.html> for more info.
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> If you don't have a DOCTYPE at all, IE goes into "quirks" mode and thus
> supports older (non-strict) HTML and buggy code. If you have a valid
> DOCTYPE (i.e., <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0
> Transitional//EN"
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dt d">), then it goes
> into 'standards' mode, which requires compliant coding, etc.[/color]

You can have a perfectly valid doctype, even with a URL, and still have a
browser go into Quirks mode.

The biggest issue between standards and quirks mode is how IE interprets the
box model.

Regards,
Geoff

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[Jacqui or (maybe) Pete]

Re: Quirks mode vs. Standards mode

In article <bf4rrj$2h8$1@n nrp.atgi.net>, rbarnet@csaNOSP AMreno.org
says...[color=blue]
> "Geoff Ball" <usenet@doctype .ca> wrote in message
> news:3160181.Tu WkE2YOz3@doctyp e.ca...[color=green]
> >[/color][/color]
....[color=blue][color=green]
> > http://nontroppo.org/wiki/OperaQuirksMode[/color][/color]
....
The trick of typing
javascript:aler t(document.comp atMode);
into the address bar mentioned in the document above also works in
Mozilla & IE6.

It's easy to create a bookmarklet for it (at least in Mozilla) by
setting the url of any existing bookmark (make one for the purpose) to
the value above.

[Jukka K. Korpela]

Re: Why does TD not inherit from BODY?

David Dorward <dorward@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> Other people have explained the why, this is the how:
>
> table, thead, tbody, tr, td, th {
> font-size: inherit;
> font-family: inherit;
> }[/color]

I'm sorry to comment on this so late (but summer time is an excuse for
everything, isn't it?), but that doesn't really help anything, as far
as I can see. Browsers that fail to obey inheritance rules generally
don't recognize the inherit keyword either; it's an CSS 2 "novelty".

What you _can_ do to make old browsers behave in this issue is to use

body, caption, th, td {
font-size: ...;
font-family: ...; }

where ... stands for whatever global settings you wish to make. (Adding
table, thead, tbody, tr is superfluous, since caption, th, td directly
captures any content in a table).

--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

[Richard Barnet]

Re: Quirks mode vs. Standards mode

"Jacqui or (maybe) Pete" <porjes@spamcop .net> wrote in message
news:MPG.198059 aed1f6b86e989c4 d@news.CIS.DFN. DE...[color=blue]
>
> It's easy to create a bookmarklet for it (at least in Mozilla) by
> setting the url of any existing bookmark (make one for the purpose) to
> the value above.[/color]

This also is the same in Windows/MSIE. Works great! Excellent suggestion
and tip.

=)

-- Richard