Is a "ZIP" extension the ONLY way to force a "SAVE AS" for your PDF?

[Neal]

Re: Is a "ZIP&qu ot; extension the ONLY way to force a "SAVE AS" for your PDF?

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:58:51 -0700, Curious Angel <byte.this@usa. net>
wrote:
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> In article <opsci7sti66v66 56@news.individ ual.net>, neal413@yahoo.c om
> says...[color=green]
>> Let the poor employer handle it as he normally
>> would. If he wants to save it he can right-click.
>>[/color]
>
> That is not what I want him to have, and a quick search on GOOGLE
> reveals hundreds of
> other people who want this kind of control, as well.[/color]

He's not looking to hire THEM.

I give up. With this attitude, you'll never get a job. This is about YOU
and an EMPLOYER. You want to show the employer that you can make things
difficult for him, you won't even get a rejection note.

This is your CAREER we're talking about. No HTML trick is as important as
that. Make it as easy as possible for the web-ignorant but job-offering
executive to hire you.

[Tim]

Re: Is a &quot;ZIP&qu ot; extension the ONLY way to force a &quot;SAVE AS&quot; for your PDF?

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:43:16 -0700,
Curious Angel <byte.this@usa. net> posted:
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> I have a resume in PDF format and I want anyone who LEFT-OR-RIGHT clicks the link to
> force the file to be saved, and in any event _not_ opened.[/color]

*Can't* be done. You can't force anything, and many suggestions will be
ignored, too.
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> I so badly don't want to have to zip this file, but I will as a last resort.[/color]

So, you hope that they can handle Zip files do you? And can handle a PDF
file in a Zip? You want to make it doubly difficult for them. Are you
even sure that they can handle PDF files? Or the version of PDF that
you're using?

The quick answer is to make it VERY clear that a link leads to a PDF file,
so that they can decide whether they're just going to click on a link, or
whatever they normally prefer to do with PDF files (which might be click on
it, or might be save it, or bookmark it, or whatever they prefer).

I would think, that by now, most people have had to deal with PDF files on
the web and have got used to dealing with them, or being annoyed by them.
Personally, I find them a damn pain, anywhere (on the web or as a file),
and would much rather view HTML. It's quick, simple, and safer.

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[CJM]

Re: Is a &quot;ZIP&qu ot; extension the ONLY way to force a &quot;SAVE AS&quot; for your PDF?

The only reasonable solution I can think of is to use something like ASP to
stream the file to the client.

http://www.darkfalz.com/Scripts_Details.aspx?pstID=1098

They will be presented with an Open/Save/Cancel/More Info dialog box. If
they want to open it, then can. If they want to save it, they can.

I agree with most here that you cant and shouldnt force anything. Can you
imagine the harm we could do, if we had that much control over our visitors
machines??

However, I do not agree with the assumption that they could save it if they
wanted to. The vast majority dont know about Rt-Click/Save Target As or
other browsers' equivalents.

I think you should provide both a view and a download link, and leave it to
the employer to choose.

CJM

[Thomas Dowling]

Re: Is a &quot;ZIP&qu ot; extension the ONLY way to force a &quot;SAVE AS&quot; for your PDF?

Curious Angel <byte.this@usa. net> wrote in
news:MPG.1b82f7 01c1ff29d69896b 8@news.intergat e.com:

(Regarding getting a PDF file to open the file download dialog rather
than open in the browser)
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>
> I'm somewhat comfortable with PHP myself (having produced a
> graphics-based page counter in it) so I guess I'll noodle around
> with one of the many PHP snippets I've found.
>
> Angel[/color]


With the understanding that it's ultimately the browser's and user's
choice what to do with anything coming down the pipe, if you've got
control of the HTTP headers, you can suggest this with:

Content-type: application/pdf
Content-disposition: attachment; filename=best-resume-ever.pdf


(No, you can't force the filename, nor the directory to save it in.)


Thomas Dowling
Ohio Library and Information Network
tdowling@ohioli nk.edu

[Lars Eighner]

Re: Is a &quot;ZIP&qu ot; extension the ONLY way to force a &quot;SAVE AS&quot; for your PDF?

In our last episode,
<MPG.1b82c4f4dd 6c94169896b5@ne ws.intergate.co m>,
the lovely and talented Curious Angel
broadcast on comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html:
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> I have a resume in PDF format and I want anyone who LEFT-OR-RIGHT
> clicks the link to force the file to be saved, and in any event
> _not_ opened.[/color]

It's little wonder you are looking for a job. It may be a long time
before you find a boss who is happy to be tooled around.

--
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If it wasn't for muscle spasms, I wouldn't get any exercise at all.

[Pierre Goiffon]

Re: Is a &quot;ZIP&qu ot; extension the ONLY way to force a &quot;SAVE AS&quot; for your PDF?

"Sam Hughes" <hughes@rpi.edu > a écrit dans le message de
news:Xns9541B49 213668hughesrpi edu@130.133.1.4[color=blue]
> You can trick IE to ask the user to save the document if it is
> delivered with a HTTP header such as Content-Type:
> application/octet-stream[/color]

IE or other browsers... And you should use the attachment option instead,
with the correct mime type. See for exemple

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=260519

Each browser, each configuration could react differently with this, but at
least you can expect most browsers to do what you want : launch a download.

[Frank Swarbrick]

Re: Is a &quot;ZIP&qu ot; extension the ONLY way to force a &quot;SAVE AS&quot; for yourPDF?

Hmm, CV looks like Latin to me, not English! (Of course "résumé" appears
to be French...)
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>>> Nick Kew<nick@hugin. webthing.com> 8/10/2004 4:34:11 PM >>>[/color][/color][/color]
In article <Xns9541B4F38A0 ADhughesrpiedu@ 130.133.1.4>,
Sam Hughes <hughes@rpi.edu > writes:
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> If you're going to retain one of the accents of résumé, why not do it with[/color]
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> both? :-P[/color]

Bah. I should stick to English and spell it Curriculum Vitae. Who needs
fancy americanisms?

--
Nick Kew

[Alan J. Flavell]

Re: Is a &quot;ZIP&qu ot; extension the ONLY way to force a &quot;SAVE AS&quot; for yourPDF?

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, Frank Swarbrick blurted out atop an
inappropriately formatted fullquote from Nick Kew:
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> Hmm, CV looks like Latin to me, not English! (Of course "résumé" appears
> to be French...)[/color]

Your irony detector is in serious need of servicing!

[Tim]

Re: Is a &quot;ZIP&qu ot; extension the ONLY way to force a &quot;SAVE AS&quot; for your PDF?

Nick Kew<nick@hugin. webthing.com> might have written this, but the
attribution was unfathomable:
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>> Bah. I should stick to English and spell it Curriculum Vitae. Who needs
>> fancy americanisms?[/color][/color]


"Frank Swarbrick" <Frank.Swarbric k@efirstbank.co m> posted:
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> Hmm, CV looks like Latin to me, not English![/color]

Since the English adopt many words, including Latin, would that mean that
"Curriculum Vitae" are *also* considered to be English words? ;-)

I was reading something about how the English do that, and how certain
Latin words were considered to be part of the English language, which would
seem to suggest that they're now also English words, when another thought
occurred to me: The English alphabet is said to be the 26 letters from A
to Z, yet it includes words like encyclopaedia using the proper ae
character, so it seems that definition of the alphabet is also wrong. And,
therefor, US-ASCII is inadequate for the Queen's English. ;-)

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[Curious Angel]

Re: Is a &quot;ZIP&qu ot; extension the ONLY way to force a &quot;SAVE AS&quot; for your PDF?

In article <Xns95425E06147 E3tdowlingohiol inkedu@192.232. 20.5>, tdowling@ohioli nk.edu
says...[color=blue]
> With the understanding that it's ultimately the browser's and user's
> choice what to do with anything coming down the pipe, if you've got
> control of the HTTP headers, you can suggest this with:
>
> Content-type: application/pdf
> Content-disposition: attachment; filename=best-resume-ever.pdf
>
> (No, you can't force the filename, nor the directory to save it in.)
>
>
> Thomas Dowling
> Ohio Library and Information Network
> tdowling@ohioli nk.edu
>[/color]
Thomas, I am almost certain I _don't_ have control over those headers. The page
isn't on a server I own, and absent some means of incorporating the instruction
directly into a file(s) that I can upload, I don't think I can do this.

I am presuming that the "Content-~~" strings you are referring to would go
(somewhere) on the server? By the way, where DO they go? Just curious.

Angel

[Frank Swarbrick]

Re: Is a &quot;ZIP&qu ot; extension the ONLY way to force a &quot;SAVE AS&quot; for yourPDF?

Actually I was just kidding around as well.
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>>> Alan J. Flavell<flavell @ph.gla.ac.uk> 8/11/2004 4:14:04 PM >>>[/color][/color][/color]
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, Frank Swarbrick blurted out atop an
inappropriately formatted fullquote from Nick Kew:
[color=blue]
> Hmm, CV looks like Latin to me, not English! (Of course "résumé"[/color]
appears[color=blue]
> to be French...)[/color]

Your irony detector is in serious need of servicing!

[Curious Angel]

Re: Is a &quot;ZIP&qu ot; extension the ONLY way to force a &quot;SAVE AS&quot; for your PDF?

In article <slrnchka96.118 p.eighner@goodw ill.io.com>, eighner@io.com says...[color=blue]
> It's little wonder you are looking for a job. It may be a long time
> before you find a boss who is happy to be tooled around.
>[/color]
Honey, it was 20 years ago when I last submitted to the lash. You may not care for
my attitude but give me credit for, at the very least, being brutally FRANK. I can
be so here; I think we can all agree I will _not_ have that liberty whence I am again
.. . .

ENSLAVED

Yes, well . . .

[Darin McGrew]

Re: Is a &quot;ZIP&qu ot; extension the ONLY way to force a &quot;SAVE AS&quot; for your PDF?

Curious Angel <byte.this@usa. net> wrote:[color=blue]
> I have a resume in PDF format and I want anyone who LEFT-OR-RIGHT clicks
> the link to
> force the file to be saved, and in any event _not_ opened.[/color]

See http://www.htmlhelp.com/faq/html/med...force-download
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> 2. I want him to FIND the document, quickly, on his hard drive[/color]

Why can't he find the document, quickly, on your web site?

For that matter, why can't he view the document, quickly, in his browser,
or in his browser's helper app?
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> I so badly don't want to have to zip this file, but I will as a last resort.[/color]

Not all users can handle zip archives easily. And not all browsers are
configured to save zip archives to the filesystem.
--
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Web Design Group, darin@htmlhelp. com, http://www.HTMLHelp.com/

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