Alternatives for frameset ?

[Patrick Morein]

As I read a couple of times framesets are not appreciated.
Is there an alternative which allows re-use of previously loaded webpages elements ?

On certain web pages I have a couple of common big pictures/java applets.
Currently I put them on one frameset which remains stable to avoid reloading them again.

Is there another technique which tells the browser "Hey, don't load them again.Look in your
local cache and get this contents from there"?

Pat

[SpaceGirl]

Re: Alternatives for frameset ?

Patrick Morein wrote:
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> As I read a couple of times framesets are not appreciated.
> Is there an alternative which allows re-use of previously loaded webpages elements ?
>
> On certain web pages I have a couple of common big pictures/java applets.
> Currently I put them on one frameset which remains stable to avoid reloading them again.
>
> Is there another technique which tells the browser "Hey, don't load them again.Look in your
> local cache and get this contents from there"?
>
> Pat
>[/color]

Use server side includes (SSI). Do a search in here for them - it has
been discussed to death over the last few weeks.


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[Chris Morris]

Re: Alternatives for frameset ?

patmorein@gmx.n et (Patrick Morein) writes:[color=blue]
> On certain web pages I have a couple of common big pictures/java applets.
>
> Currently I put them on one frameset which remains stable to avoid
> reloading them again.
>
> Is there another technique which tells the browser "Hey, don't load
> them again.Look in your local cache and get this contents from
> there"?[/color]

http://www.mnot.net/cache_docs/

Probably your server will be doing it automatically already, but if
not, you should be able to set it up.

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[Tim Johansson]

Re: Alternatives for frameset ?

"Patrick Morein" <patmorein@gmx. net> skrev i meddelandet
news:ceo1i4$239 $03$1@news.t-online.com...[color=blue]
> As I read a couple of times framesets are not appreciated.
> Is there an alternative which allows re-use of previously loaded webpages[/color]
elements ?[color=blue]
>
> On certain web pages I have a couple of common big pictures/java applets.
> Currently I put them on one frameset which remains stable to avoid[/color]
reloading them again.[color=blue]
>
> Is there another technique which tells the browser "Hey, don't load them[/color]
again.Look in your[color=blue]
> local cache and get this contents from there"?
>
> Pat
>[/color]


I think browsers always cache images if they aren't told not do so.

[Spartanicus]

Re: Alternatives for frameset ?

patmorein@gmx.n et (Patrick Morein) wrote:
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>On certain web pages I have a couple of common big pictures/java applets.
>Currently I put them on one frameset which remains stable to avoid reloading them again.
>
>Is there another technique which tells the browser "Hey, don't load them again.Look in your
>local cache and get this contents from there"?[/color]

This is default behaviour provided your server doesn't ask a browser not
to cache.

Loose the frames, you're currently trying to fix something which simply
isn't broken.

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[Spartanicus]

Re: Alternatives for frameset ?

patmorein@gmx.n et (Patrick Morein) wrote:
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>As I read a couple of times framesets are not appreciated.[/color]

Don't multipost.

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[Spartanicus]

Re: Alternatives for frameset ?

Spartanicus <me@privacy.net > wrote:
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>patmorein@gmx. net (Patrick Morein) wrote:
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>>As I read a couple of times framesets are not appreciated.[/color]
>
>Don't multipost.[/color]

And announce in your message body when you set a follow up header.

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[Philip Ronan]

Re: Alternatives for frameset ?

On 3/8/04 1:48 pm, Patrick Morein wrote:
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> As I read a couple of times framesets are not appreciated.
> Is there an alternative which allows re-use of previously loaded webpages
> elements ?
>
> On certain web pages I have a couple of common big pictures/java applets.
> Currently I put them on one frameset which remains stable to avoid reloading
> them again.
>
> Is there another technique which tells the browser "Hey, don't load them
> again.Look in your
> local cache and get this contents from there"?[/color]

This is what all browsers do under normal circumstances, at least for images
(probably for Java applets as well).

You can check the cacheability of your web content here:

http://www.ircache.net/cgi-bin/cacheability.py

Phil

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[Karl Groves]

Re: Alternatives for frameset ?


"Patrick Morein" <patmorein@gmx. net> wrote in message
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> As I read a couple of times framesets are not appreciated.
> Is there an alternative which allows re-use of previously loaded webpages[/color]
elements ?

Please read the group's archives. This question was addressed in two threads
last week alone.
The answer is to use either server-side includes (SSI) or PHP include()


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[Sam Hughes]

Re: Alternatives for frameset ?

patmorein@gmx.n et (Patrick Morein) wrote in
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Wait. First, could you fix your word-wrap settings? You should
definitely not have word-wrap set at something more than 80, preferably
less. Yours seemed to be at about ninety characters.

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> As I read a couple of times framesets are not appreciated.
> Is there an alternative which allows re-use of previously loaded
> webpages elements?[/color]

Short answer: no.
[color=blue]
> On certain web pages I have a couple of common big pictures/java
> applets. Currently I put them on one frameset which remains stable to
> avoid reloading them again.[/color]

Then you might have found a good reason to use a frameset. People say,
"frames are evil," but they can be used well and are good options for
special circumstances. I am not sure about big pictures (wouldn't the
other frame have to be really tiny then?), but a java applet (I'm
praying you have a good reason for using it) not reloading might be a
good reason.

You could also instead give the user the option of opening the java
applet in a new window with a link on your page, removing the need.
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> Is there another technique which tells the browser "Hey, don't load
> them again.Look in your local cache and get this contents from there"?[/color]

Isn't that what they normally do? Mine does.

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[Robert Frost-Bridges]

Re: Alternatives for frameset ?

Patrick Morein wrote:
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> As I read a couple of times framesets are not appreciated.
> Is there an alternative which allows re-use of previously loaded
> webpages elements ?[/color]

local cache
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> On certain web pages I have a couple of common big pictures/java
> applets. Currently I put them on one frameset which remains stable to
> avoid reloading them again.[/color]

local cache
[color=blue]
> Is there another technique which tells the browser "Hey, don't load
> them again.Look in your local cache and get this contents from there"?[/color]

<p>Please don't clear your browser cache.</p>

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[Pierre Goiffon]

Re: Alternatives for frameset ?

"Tim Johansson" <spam@gurka.s e> a écrit dans le message de
news:2n9hpiFubr qmU1@uni-berlin.de[color=blue]
> I think browsers always cache images if they aren't told not do so.[/color]

Normally, browsers should act with images as they do for any other documents
: read the cache http headers and act according to their preferences.
I recommend reading the HTTP 1.1 RFC (2616) - the section 13 is dedicated to
the cache mecanisms.