Error on page - why?

[Jacquie]

hello- I am hoping someone can help me solve this mystery. My pages
always say Done with error on page on the bottom. They appear fine on
my computer but other people can't all see it on their computer. Also
one of my pages is blank, I uploaded it and am not sure what the
problem is. The code is all fine I think. Please look at the code if
you can. You have to click on the bottom of the website to view code,
thank u!!! www.nscadesign.ca/potvin all the pages are doing this! the
blank page is www.nscadesign.ca/potvin/pages/print.html
Much appreciate any help! Thank u Jacquie jpotvin77@hotma il.com

[Philip Ronan]

Re: Error on page - why?

On 26/7/04 3:25 pm, Jacquie wrote:
[color=blue]
> hello- I am hoping someone can help me solve this mystery. My pages
> always say Done with error on page on the bottom. They appear fine on
> my computer but other people can't all see it on their computer. Also
> one of my pages is blank, I uploaded it and am not sure what the
> problem is. The code is all fine I think. Please look at the code if
> you can. You have to click on the bottom of the website to view code,
> thank u!!! www.nscadesign.ca/potvin all the pages are doing this! the
> blank page is www.nscadesign.ca/potvin/pages/print.html
> Much appreciate any help! Thank u Jacquie jpotvin77@hotma il.com[/color]

Try using forward slashes instead of backward slashes.

And perhaps you should study HTML a bit more. In its current form, your site
is about as much use as a chocolate teapot.

It looks nice though :-)

Phil
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[Andrew Urquhart]

Re: Error on page - why?

*Jacquie* wrote:[color=blue]
> hello- I am hoping someone can help me solve this mystery. My pages
> always say Done with error on page on the bottom. They appear fine on
> my computer but other people can't all see it on their computer. Also
> one of my pages is blank, I uploaded it and am not sure what the
> problem is.[/color]

[color=blue]
> The code is all fine I think.[/color]

Unfortunately it's not great markup, there are quite a few problems with
it:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...ign.ca/potvin/ it's
inaccessible, there's no content for non-visual users including search
engines, it's going to be difficult to maintain, ... Here's a somewhat
random example of a graphic-rich site that doesn't seem to have those
problems: http://www.cinnamon.nl/
[color=blue]
> Please look at the code if
> you can. You have to click on the bottom of the website to view code,
> thank u!!! www.nscadesign.ca/potvin all the pages are doing this![/color]

Javascript function postamble() is called from a script block outside of
the closing </html> tag, and that function has not been defined anywhere
in the document.
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> the
> blank page is www.nscadesign.ca/potvin/pages/print.html[/color]

Every single closing tag has the wrong slash, every <\example> should be
</example>
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[Neal]

Re: Error on page - why?

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:46:18 +0100, Philip Ronan
<phil.ronanzzz@ virgin.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> In its current form, your site
> is about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
>
> It looks nice though :-)[/color]

Tastes great too.

[Daniel R. Tobias]

Re: Error on page - why?

Neal wrote:[color=blue]
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:46:18 +0100, Philip Ronan
> <phil.ronanzzz@ virgin.net> wrote:[color=green]
>> It looks nice though :-)[/color]
>
> Tastes great too.[/color]

Less filling!

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Dan

[Dave Patton]

Re: Error on page - why?

jpotvin77@hotma il.com (Jacquie) wrote in
news:64d10947.0 407260625.1364a c8e@posting.goo gle.com:
[color=blue]
> hello- I am hoping someone can help me solve this mystery. My pages
> always say Done with error on page on the bottom. They appear fine on
> my computer but other people can't all see it on their computer. Also
> one of my pages is blank, I uploaded it and am not sure what the
> problem is. The code is all fine I think. Please look at the code if
> you can. You have to click on the bottom of the website to view code,
> thank u!!! www.nscadesign.ca/potvin all the pages are doing this![/color]

You should figure out if you want to use "www.jqdesign.c om" or
"www.nscadesign .ca/potvin/", and stick with that.

You should fix the HTML as a first step.
Then fix things which may validate, but
make no sense, such as the "Home" link,
which is broken.

Then you should look at your home page

http://www.jqdesign.com/

with images disabled and ask yourself
if that's really what you want people
to "see".

Once you have dealt with those sorts
of issues, you could ask in alt.html.critiq ue
for a review of your site.

While at NSCAD University, if you took their
"ARTS 3120/DMED 3120 Web Sites for Visual Artists"[1]
course, I would hope you already 'know all this
sort of thing already'. If they didn't cover
how to properly author documents for the worldwide
web, and instead taught how to make 'pretty pages
people can look at in their web browser', then
you should ask for your money back.

[1}

http://www.nscad.ns.ca/study/fine/fine_arts_courses.php

ARTS 3120/DMED 3120 Web Sites for Visual Artists
6 studio credits This course gives students the opportunity to
explore the potential of the World Wide Web as the means of
expressing themselves as artists. By producing a project for the
web, students will learn the basics of preparing graphics and
writing the coding for the web.

--
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Canadian Coordinator, Degree Confluence Project

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My website: http://members.shaw.ca/davepatton/

[Jacquie]

Re: Error on page - why?

Dave Patton <spam@trap.inva lid> wrote in message news:<Xns953273 1042262mrzaphod directcaold@24. 71.223.159>...[color=blue]
> jpotvin77@hotma il.com (Jacquie) wrote in
> news:64d10947.0 407260625.1364a c8e@posting.goo gle.com:
>[color=green]
> > hello- I am hoping someone can help me solve this mystery. My pages
> > always say Done with error on page on the bottom. They appear fine on
> > my computer but other people can't all see it on their computer. Also
> > one of my pages is blank, I uploaded it and am not sure what the
> > problem is. The code is all fine I think. Please look at the code if
> > you can. You have to click on the bottom of the website to view code,
> > thank u!!! www.nscadesign.ca/potvin all the pages are doing this![/color]
>
> You should figure out if you want to use "www.jqdesign.c om" or
> "www.nscadesign .ca/potvin/", and stick with that.
>
> You should fix the HTML as a first step.
> Then fix things which may validate, but
> make no sense, such as the "Home" link,
> which is broken.
>
> Then you should look at your home page
> http://www.jqdesign.com/
> with images disabled and ask yourself
> if that's really what you want people
> to "see".
>
> Once you have dealt with those sorts
> of issues, you could ask in alt.html.critiq ue
> for a review of your site.
>
> While at NSCAD University, if you took their
> "ARTS 3120/DMED 3120 Web Sites for Visual Artists"[1]
> course, I would hope you already 'know all this
> sort of thing already'. If they didn't cover
> how to properly author documents for the worldwide
> web, and instead taught how to make 'pretty pages
> people can look at in their web browser', then
> you should ask for your money back.
>
> [1}
> http://www.nscad.ns.ca/study/fine/fine_arts_courses.php
> ARTS 3120/DMED 3120 Web Sites for Visual Artists
> 6 studio credits This course gives students the opportunity to
> explore the potential of the World Wide Web as the means of
> expressing themselves as artists. By producing a project for the
> web, students will learn the basics of preparing graphics and
> writing the coding for the web.[/color]

Dave, Thank u very much for your advice. I did take that course at
NSCAD and actually everyone who knows anything about nscad knows they
don't teach anything good when it comes to technical issues,
computers, web design.
It is entirely a fine arts theory school. You are learning on your own
with webdesign and just presenting your website with no assistance
with designing it or coding. Very difficult to learn that way. IN fact
only 2 people out of 30 that I studied with actually still can create
websites on their own. So this is the reason I am always asking for
help on google - I appreciate it, it's a learning process! My images
aren't broken on the computers I checked however. I have forwarded
jqdesign.com to nscad for cost purposes temporarily. Aside from the
home link broken, can u view the portfolio page clearly? I will have
to spice it up as harsh as some people's comments critiques are always
helpful - it's the only way to learn. Thank u!! Jacquie

[Jacquie]

Re: Error on page - why?

Andrew: Thank u very much, I made a lot of changes to the code. This
is just a temporary site, I'm still learning, graduated from a FINE
art school, so I'm definately not a pro! And I really need to spice it
up apparently so will do that after I learn more. Until then, would it
be possible for you to view again and see if my links work on your
computer. They work fine on the 3 I tried on, aside from the home
link. Much appreciated!!! :-) Jacquie

[Andrew Urquhart]

Re: Error on page - why?

*Jacquie* wrote:[color=blue]
> Andrew: Thank u very much, I made a lot of changes to the code. This
> is just a temporary site, I'm still learning, graduated from a FINE
> art school, so I'm definately not a pro! And I really need to spice it
> up apparently so will do that after I learn more. Until then, would it
> be possible for you to view again and see if my links work on your
> computer. They work fine on the 3 I tried on, aside from the home
> link. Much appreciated!!! :-) Jacquie[/color]

The 'blank' page does now display in Opera 7.52, Win2000. If you're
feeling up to it you might like to look through one of the better HTML
tutorials, such as: http://www.htmldog.com/guides/htmlbeginner/. BTW I
really like the print design examples, very impressive.
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[Dave Patton]

Re: Error on page - why?

jpotvin77@hotma il.com (Jacquie) wrote in
news:64d10947.0 407270307.41acc 0c4@posting.goo gle.com:
[color=blue]
> Dave Patton <spam@trap.inva lid> wrote in message
> news:<Xns953273 1042262mrzaphod directcaold@24. 71.223.159>...[color=green]
>> jpotvin77@hotma il.com (Jacquie) wrote in
>> news:64d10947.0 407260625.1364a c8e@posting.goo gle.com:[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>> > www.nscadesign.ca/potvin[/color][/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> You should fix the HTML as a first step.
>> Then fix things which may validate, but
>> make no sense, such as the "Home" link,
>> which is broken.
>>
>> Then you should look at your home page
>> with images disabled and ask yourself
>> if that's really what you want people
>> to "see".[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> My images aren't broken on the computers I checked however.[/color]
[color=blue]
> Aside from the home link broken, can u view the portfolio page clearly?[/color]

A)
You are making some fundamental mistakes in the authoring(note that
I didn't say "design") of your website. Don't feel bad - many people
make the same mistakes, and particularly those with 'design skills'.
You may want to "take a step back" and learn some more before going
any further, because in the end you'll likely just end up having
to replace much of your current content.

B)
For a start, you should only author HTML that is valid. There's
little point in "figuring out why something doesn't work", or
in asking for a site critique, without starting with valid HTML.
Use the W3C validator:

http://validator.w3.org/detailed.html

to validate each and every webpage you author. For example, your
site's index page has 6 validation errors.

C)
Do not try and produce "pixel perfect" web pages - that's not
'how the web works'. Remember, your webpages are a guest on the
visitor's computer, and it's not up to you what size they may
want to view them at. Strive for 'fluid design' that adapts,
within reason, to a variety of browser viewport sizes.

D)
Don't put examples on your website that demonstrate that you
don't know how to do something properly. For example, you
have a "portfolio page"(incorrect ly titled as "list"):

http://www.nscadesign.ca/potvin/pages/list.html

that has a "Web Design" link. That shouldn't be there unless
your own website utilizes proper practices, although you
would be far from the first person/company to do this.
Another example - don't give examples of the use of Flash
unless you are very sure what you are doing. Is this really
you want people to see, either at the client's website, or
as an example of your work?:

http://members.shaw.ca/caninfosys/temp/badflash.jpg

You might want to read the thread that started July 26th
in the alt.html newsgroup titled:
What % of browsers are Flash enabled?

E)
ALways use a standards-compliant browser when developing and
testing your webpages. You may then have to 'tweak things' to
cater to the idiosyncrasies of things like operating system
components pretending to be browsers, such as Internet Explorer.
I'd suggest taking a look at Mozilla Firefox, installing it
with the DOM inspector, and getting the Web Developer extension.

F)
Don't use tables for layout - that's what CSS is for.
HTML is for markup. Javascript and Flash should be
considered 'optional extras'.

G)
I know you are a 'graphic designer', so this may sound odd
to you, but don't rely on images. For example, you misunderstood
my suggestion about disabling images. Take a look at this:
<http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.....nscadesign.ca
%2Fpotvin%2Find ex.html>
Is that really what you want people to see on your home page?
Here's your homepage right before I disable images:

http://members.shaw.ca/caninfosys/temp/images-1.jpg

and here's what I get:

http://members.shaw.ca/caninfosys/temp/images-2.jpg

You may say to yourself - but my site is about graphic design,
so I want images, but consider that the above fairly closely
represents what a search engine "sees". Of course there is
also the issue of accessability(e .g. for people with impaired
vision), which you may be required to address, or conform to,
when working for some companies or government organisations.

H)
Don't give up hope! You aren't ready to 'participate' yet
on this website, because you don't know enough about CSS,
etc., but take a look at the CSS Zen Garden:

http://www.csszengarden.com/

Participation, in terms of submitting a design, is limited
to graphic artists, but you can learn a lot from the website.
Try some of the designs. Don't worry for now about "the details".
Just appreciate that all those designs are possible without
changing any HTML. That's because HTML is used for the page's
MARKUP, while CSS is used for the page's PRESENTATION.

There - that should keep you busy for now ;-)

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Canadian Coordinator, Degree Confluence Project

http://www.confluence.org/

My website: http://members.shaw.ca/davepatton/