What to use intead of taget_new in XHTML/Strict

[Brian]

Re: What to use intead of taget_new in XHTML/Strict

Claire Tucker wrote:
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> Due to (IMHO, misplaced) backward-compatibility concerns even
> tabbed browsers seem to open target="_blank" links in new windows
> (rather than tabs) by default.[/color]

Mozilla does this. I don't know about Safari. But Opera doesn't. In
fact, you can't have a new window in Opera as far as I can tell. It's
a case where new window (whether by user or author) = new tab.

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[Claire Tucker]

Re: What to use intead of taget_new in XHTML/Strict

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:21:53 -0400, Brian
<usenet3@juliet remblay.com.inv alid> wrote:
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>Claire Tucker wrote:
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>> Due to (IMHO, misplaced) backward-compatibility concerns even
>> tabbed browsers seem to open target="_blank" links in new windows
>> (rather than tabs) by default.[/color]
>
>Mozilla does this. I don't know about Safari. But Opera doesn't. In
>fact, you can't have a new window in Opera as far as I can tell. It's
>a case where new window (whether by user or author) = new tab.[/color]

In the old version of Opera I use I can choose between two modes. The
first, which I use, is a single MDI interface which looks a bit like
tabbed browsing but is really just multiple initially-maximised
windows and a widget which emulates the Windows taskbar to switch
between them.

The other mode is more like Firefox, where multiple top-level windows
can be created and within them several "pages", which are essentially
tabs.

In the first of these, *all* windows are children of the master Opera
window so opening windows outside of it is impossible, whether it be
done by an irritating page author or by the user. Of course, this
makes little "pop-up windows" act quite strangely, since they expect
to open top-level but instead find themselves in a little MDI box.

The latter mode works more like Firefox browsing.

I understand newer versions of Opera collapse these two modes into
one, and the distinction is between opening new "windows" versus
opening new "pages". I can't comment on what kind of new browser it
opens in response to target="_blank" .

I prefer the old way, which is one of the (many) reasons why I'm still
using such an ancient version of Opera.

-Claire

[Stan Brown]

To absorb an unwanted new window (Re: What to use intead of taget_new in XHTML/Strict)

"Claire Tucker" <fake@invalid.i nvalid> wrote in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html:[color=blue]
>Due to (IMHO, misplaced) backward-compatibility concerns even tabbed
>browsers seem to open target="_blank" links in new windows (rather
>than tabs) by default. This is quite frustrating, since the user must
>then manually re-absorb this unwanted extra window back into the
>original window where it belongs.[/color]

How can a user do this? About all I can think of is to copy the URL
of the unwanted new window, go back to the first window, open a new
tab, paste the URL, and hit Enter to let the browser retrieve it.
But that often doesn't work, if the server has done any URL
rewriting. This seems pretty common with e.g. forms submission.

Do you know of any reliable way to re-absorb a window in say
Mozilla, without sending a new request to the server?

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Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA

http://OakRoadSystems.com/

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validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/
2.1 changes: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/changes.html
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[Pierre Goiffon]

Re: To absorb an unwanted new window (Re: What to use intead of taget_new in XHTML/Strict)

"Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown @fastmail.fm> a écrit dans le message de
news:MPG.1b6834 5630e1ef6198c78 5@news.odyssey. net[color=blue]
> Do you know of any reliable way to re-absorb a window in say
> Mozilla, without sending a new request to the server?[/color]

Use a proper extension that does open a tab instead of a new window. Tab
Browser extension (works for Mozilla and Firefox) has such an option.
See http://white.sakura.ne.jp/~piro/xul/...nsions.html.en

[Brian]

Re: To absorb an unwanted new window (Re: What to use intead of taget_newin XHTML/Strict)

Stan Brown wrote:
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> Do you know of any reliable way to re-absorb a window in say
> Mozilla, without sending a new request to the server?[/color]

No, but you can disable target="_new" in the first place. Add this to
user.js (find that file in your profile).


// disable new windows imposed by author
// http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105547
user_pref("brow ser.block.targe t_new_window", true);



It wfm. Forces such links to open in same window.

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[Inger Helene Falch-Jacobsen]

Re: To absorb an unwanted new window (Re: What to use intead of taget_newin XHTML/Strict)

Stan Brown wrote:
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> "Claire Tucker" <fake@invalid.i nvalid> wrote in
> comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html:
>[color=green]
>>Due to (IMHO, misplaced) backward-compatibility concerns even tabbed
>>browsers seem to open target="_blank" links in new windows (rather
>>than tabs) by default. This is quite frustrating, since the user must
>>then manually re-absorb this unwanted extra window back into the
>>original window where it belongs.[/color]
>
>
> How can a user do this? About all I can think of is to copy the URL
> of the unwanted new window, go back to the first window, open a new
> tab, paste the URL, and hit Enter to let the browser retrieve it.
> But that often doesn't work, if the server has done any URL
> rewriting. This seems pretty common with e.g. forms submission.
>
> Do you know of any reliable way to re-absorb a window in say
> Mozilla, without sending a new request to the server?
>[/color]

Mozilla Firefox: The easy way out is to write about:config in the
address bar, press Enter, and write target in the Filter field and press
Enter again. Right click browser.block.t arget_new_windo w, choose Modify
and change value to true.


--
Inger Helene Falch-Jacobsen

http://home.online.no/~ingerfaj/

[Jesper Tverskov]

Re: What to use intead of taget_new in XHTML/Strict

Read my article:

Don't force new windows on users

http://www.smackthemouse.com/20030831

It also has the solution to your problem when a new window is
considered necessary in XHTML 1.1.

Best regards,
Jesper Tverskov

[Stan Brown]

Re: To absorb an unwanted new window (Re: What to use intead of taget_new in XHTML/Strict)

"Brian" <usenet3@juliet remblay.com.inv alid> wrote in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html:[color=blue]
>Stan Brown wrote:
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>> Do you know of any reliable way to re-absorb a window in say
>> Mozilla, without sending a new request to the server?[/color]
>
>No, but you can disable target="_new" in the first place. Add this to
>user.js (find that file in your profile).
>
>// disable new windows imposed by author
>// http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105547
>user_pref("bro wser.block.targ et_new_window", true);
>
>It wfm. Forces such links to open in same window.[/color]

Thanks. Actually I use target="_blank" in some of my local files
that I access with the browser. But I've got PrefBar loaded, so I
suppose I could make that a one-click toggle.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA

http://OakRoadSystems.com/

HTML 4.01 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/
2.1 changes: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/changes.html
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

[chris Jangelov]

Re: What to use intead of taget_new in XHTML/Strict

jesper.tverskov @mail.tele.dk (Jesper Tverskov) wrote in message news:<c40f8bfd. 0407211304.6c29 3ce9@posting.go ogle.com>...[color=blue]
> Read my article:
>
> Don't force new windows on users
> http://www.smackthemouse.com/20030831
>
> It also has the solution to your problem when a new window is
> considered necessary in XHTML 1.1.
>
> Best regards,
> Jesper Tverskov[/color]

Thank you, Jesper. This i most well put and clear in the arguments. I
recommend all to read it.

/chris