Does anyone pay attention to standards?

**Toby A Inkster** · Jul 20 '05, 06:35 PM

Re: Does anyone pay attention to standards?

Whitecrest wrote:
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> Of course this only proves my point[/color]

No it doesn't. You are an idiot.

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**Toby A Inkster** · Jul 20 '05, 06:35 PM

Re: Does anyone pay attention to standards?

Whitecrest wrote:
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> When the non standard solution is supported by virtually
> every browser.[/color]

As is the standard solution.

*plonk*

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**Whitecrest** · Jul 20 '05, 06:35 PM

Re: Does anyone pay attention to standards?

In article <pan.2004.04.28 .21.04.30.12831 6@goddamn.co.uk >,
tobyink@goddamn .co.uk says...[color=blue][color=green]
> > Of course this only proves my point[/color]
> No it doesn't. You are an idiot.[/color]

good come-back
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**Whitecrest** · Jul 20 '05, 06:35 PM

Re: Does anyone pay attention to standards?

In article <pan.2004.04.28 .21.05.09.42862 7@goddamn.co.uk >,
tobyink@goddamn .co.uk says...[color=blue][color=green]
> > When the non standard solution is supported by virtually
> > every browser.[/color]
> As is the standard solution.
> *plonk*[/color]

Bye bye now

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**Shawn K. Quinn** · Jul 20 '05, 06:35 PM

Re: Does anyone pay attention to standards?

Eric Jarvis wrote:
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> I LIKE Flash...I'd just like to see it used well more than 0.1% of the
> time[/color]

I never really cared much for Flash, and being on a browser and platform
without a Flash plugin has been nearly the best browsing experience of my
life (at times, the sort of euphoria of my first serious Web browsing, back
in 1996).

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**Whitecrest** · Jul 20 '05, 06:36 PM

Re: Does anyone pay attention to standards?

In article <m8udnZ5USYrCVQ 3dRVn-vA@speakeasy.ne t>,
skquinn@xevious .kicks-ass.net says...[color=blue][color=green]
> > I LIKE Flash...I'd just like to see it used well more than 0.1% of the
> > time[/color]
> I never really cared much for Flash, and being on a browser and platform
> without a Flash plugin has been nearly the best browsing experience of my
> life (at times, the sort of euphoria of my first serious Web browsing, back
> in 1996).[/color]

So does your dislike mean that others should not be able to use it to?
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**Shawn K. Quinn** · Jul 20 '05, 06:36 PM

Re: Does anyone pay attention to standards?

Whitecrest wrote:
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> In article <m8udnZ5USYrCVQ 3dRVn-vA@speakeasy.ne t>,
> skquinn@xevious .kicks-ass.net says...[color=green]
>> I never really cared much for Flash, and being on a browser and platform
>> without a Flash plugin has been nearly the best browsing experience of my
>> life (at times, the sort of euphoria of my first serious Web browsing,
>> back in 1996).[/color]
>
> So does your dislike mean that others should not be able to use it to?[/color]

No, but others should keep in mind that:

1) Flash isn't always there
2) There should be a suitable non-Flash alternative for Flash content
3) Not everyone who has the Flash plugin necessarily prefers Flash content
(I suspect a good number of people who lack the technical expertise to
deinstall the Flash plugin see it as a "crap vector" as I do)

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**Lauri Raittila** · Jul 20 '05, 06:37 PM

Re: Does anyone pay attention to standards?

In article Harlan Messinger wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "James Pickering" <jamesicus@aol. com> wrote in message
> news:2004042613 4147.24684.0000 0389@mb-m29.aol.com...[color=green]
> > International Standards relating to computer technologies are mostly[/color]
> formulated[color=green]
> > and published jointly by the ISO (International Organization for[/color]
> Standards) and[color=green]
> > the IEC (International Electrotechnica l Commission):
> >
> > http://www.wssn.net/WSSN/gen_inf.html#international
> >
> > Thus ISO-HTML is actually an ISO/IEC standard.[/color]
>
> Oh. Then why aren't we all validating to
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "ISO/IEC 15445:2000//DTD HyperText Markup
> Language//EN">[/color]

Because IE6 is buggy and uses quirks mode for that?

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**Karl Smith** · Jul 20 '05, 06:37 PM

Re: Does anyone pay attention to standards?

Lauri Raittila wrote:
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> Harlan Messinger wrote:[color=green]
> >
> > James Pickering wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > International Standards relating to computer technologies are mostly[/color][/color]
> formulated[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > and published jointly by the ISO (International Organization for[/color][/color]
> Standards) and[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > the IEC (International Electrotechnica l Commission):
> > >
> > > http://www.wssn.net/WSSN/gen_inf.html#international
> > >
> > > Thus ISO-HTML is actually an ISO/IEC standard.[/color]
> >
> > Oh. Then why aren't we all validating to
> >
> > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "ISO/IEC 15445:2000//DTD HyperText Markup
> > Language//EN">[/color]
>
> Because IE6 is buggy and uses quirks mode for that?[/color]

No, it uses "CSS1Compat " mode for that, it uses "BackCompat " mode for:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "ISO/IEC 15445:2000//DTD HTML//EN">

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**kchayka** · Jul 20 '05, 06:38 PM

Re: Does anyone pay attention to standards?

Whitecrest wrote:
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> In article <Pine.LNX.4.53. 0404251820010.2 0469@ppepc56.ph .gla.ac.uk>,
> flavell@ph.gla. ac.uk says...[color=green]
>> It's not the designer's prerogative to declare the "bottom line".[/color]
>
> Sure it is.[/color]

I hope you never do software development. ;) Ever hear of project
management? Requirements gathering? Designing something without first
gathering adequate requirements is a good way to produce crap. Letting a
designer have free reign to do what they like is another.

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**Whitecrest** · Jul 20 '05, 06:38 PM

Re: Does anyone pay attention to standards?

In article <c76p1i$d6c3$1@ ID-224809.news.uni-berlin.de>, usenet@c-net.us
says...[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> It's not the designer's prerogative to declare the "bottom line".[/color]
> > Sure it is.[/color]
> I hope you never do software development. ;)[/color]

I have won numerous awards for software development, to include the
Summit Award for top software developer, and development team leader
team at MCI/WCOM. (I created the Intimate Knowledge Component IKC, which
allows applications from any platform to speak to other applications on
different platforms.)

Additionally, I have won several educational awards (from Central Texas
College) for developing tests (educational tests) for the computer
science department in PACRIM.
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> Ever hear of project
> management? Requirements gathering? Designing something without first
> gathering adequate requirements is a good way to produce crap. Letting a
> designer have free reign to do what they like is another.[/color]

Yes, which is why you should not depend on crappy supported standards.
I preach, you have to understand what the site is trying to accomplish,
and the audience that you are trying to reach. Which is interestingly
enough, exactly what you are saying too.

(ps, I thought this thread was dead)

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**Mark Parnell** · Jul 20 '05, 06:38 PM

Re: Does anyone pay attention to standards?

On Mon, 3 May 2004 22:17:23 -0400, Whitecrest
<whitecrest@whi tecrestziopzap. com> declared in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html,alt.html:
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> (ps, I thought this thread was dead)[/color]

There hasn't been a new one started on the same topic yet. Can't let
this one die till then. :-)

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**James Pickering** · Jul 20 '05, 06:39 PM

Re: Does anyone pay attention to standards?

For no other reason than the personal satisfaction of complying with the
International Standard, I have written all my Web site pages in ISO-HTML. All
markup validates to the prescribed DTD.

BTW, if the W3C HTML 4.01 Strict Doctype Declaration is substituted the Markup
also Validates to that DTD.

James Pickering

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