Local server HTML validator

[Nick Kew]

Re: Local server HTML validator

In article <d22b4f0d.04041 32018.4333c1d@p osting.google.c om>,
saqib@stonebeat .org (Saqib Ali) writes:[color=blue]
> of installing on other intranet servers, so I just wrote my own PHP
> based validator.[/color]

Isn't that just slightly revisionist? Nothing against your validator,
but that's not quite how you were describing your motivation at the time.
[color=blue]
> Plus, in addition to XHTML/HTML I also wanted to
> validate DocBook XML, so writing my own validator made more sense. And
> it works fine, and much easier to install on new servers. :).[/color]

Your validator, in common with other HTML validators, uses OpenSP,
which has known limitations with XML. mod_validator, from
<URL:http://apache.webthing .com/>, has the edge in terms of supporting
different markup types, though it's not packaged for simple-install.

But for a single user, a desktop validator is likely to make more sense
than a webserver-based one. That leaves arealvalidator for windows,
or validator-lite for other platforms, as someone already said.

--
Nick Kew

Nick's manifesto: http://www.htmlhelp.com/~nick/

[Nick Kew]

Re: Local server HTML validator

In article <d22b4f0d.04041 32018.4333c1d@p osting.google.c om>,
saqib@stonebeat .org (Saqib Ali) writes:[color=blue]
> of installing on other intranet servers, so I just wrote my own PHP
> based validator.[/color]

Isn't that just slightly revisionist? Nothing against your validator,
but that's not quite how you were describing your motivation at the time.
[color=blue]
> Plus, in addition to XHTML/HTML I also wanted to
> validate DocBook XML, so writing my own validator made more sense. And
> it works fine, and much easier to install on new servers. :).[/color]

Your validator, in common with other HTML validators, uses OpenSP,
which has known limitations with XML. mod_validator, from
<URL:http://apache.webthing .com/>, has the edge in terms of supporting
different markup types, though it's not packaged for simple-install.

But for a single user, a desktop validator is likely to make more sense
than a webserver-based one. That leaves arealvalidator for windows,
or validator-lite for other platforms, as someone already said.

--
Nick Kew

Nick's manifesto: http://www.htmlhelp.com/~nick/

[Saqib Ali]

Re: Local server HTML validator

Brian <usenet3@juliet remblay.com.inv alid> wrote in message news:<107pglcfk 10dm34@corp.sup ernews.com>...[color=blue]
> Saqib Ali wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I just wrote my own PHP based validator. Plus, in addition to
> > XHTML/HTML[/color]
>
> And is this released to the public? :-)[/color]

Here is the SourceForge webpage for the validator:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/validate/

The first release is coming soon.

You test-drive the validator @ http://validate.sf.net

[Saqib Ali]

Re: Local server HTML validator

Brian <usenet3@juliet remblay.com.inv alid> wrote in message news:<107pglcfk 10dm34@corp.sup ernews.com>...[color=blue]
> Saqib Ali wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I just wrote my own PHP based validator. Plus, in addition to
> > XHTML/HTML[/color]
>
> And is this released to the public? :-)[/color]

Here is the SourceForge webpage for the validator:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/validate/

The first release is coming soon.

You test-drive the validator @ http://validate.sf.net

[Saqib Ali]

Re: Local server HTML validator

> But for a single user, a desktop validator is likely to make more sense[color=blue]
> than a webserver-based one. That leaves arealvalidator for windows,
> or validator-lite for other platforms, as someone already said.[/color]

hmm, for desktop validator, I think OpenSP or XSLTproc is better
option. They both are free, easy-to-use and included with all Linux
distros. I think it is included with MacOS X as well. You can d/l it
for free for windows.

In Peace,
Saqib Ali

http://validate.sf.net

[Saqib Ali]

Re: Local server HTML validator

> But for a single user, a desktop validator is likely to make more sense[color=blue]
> than a webserver-based one. That leaves arealvalidator for windows,
> or validator-lite for other platforms, as someone already said.[/color]

hmm, for desktop validator, I think OpenSP or XSLTproc is better
option. They both are free, easy-to-use and included with all Linux
distros. I think it is included with MacOS X as well. You can d/l it
for free for windows.

In Peace,
Saqib Ali

http://validate.sf.net

[Saqib Ali]

Re: Local server HTML validator

> Isn't that just slightly revisionist? Nothing against your validator,[color=blue]
> but that's not quite how you were describing your motivation at the time.[/color]

hmm. i m not sure what you mean by this. Originally I didn't intend to
make a validate DocBook XMl content, but the motivation was to create
a validator that is simple to install, in 2 steps.

1) Install OpenSP. (which is no longer required on Linux, since most
Linux distro come with OpenSP).
2) GZip the PHP files.

And start validating your (X)HTML.

Later on I decided to include DocBook XML, and also added the ability
to convert DocBook XML to HTML/PDF.

In Peace,
Saqib Ali

http://validate.sf.net

[Saqib Ali]

Re: Local server HTML validator

> Isn't that just slightly revisionist? Nothing against your validator,[color=blue]
> but that's not quite how you were describing your motivation at the time.[/color]

hmm. i m not sure what you mean by this. Originally I didn't intend to
make a validate DocBook XMl content, but the motivation was to create
a validator that is simple to install, in 2 steps.

1) Install OpenSP. (which is no longer required on Linux, since most
Linux distro come with OpenSP).
2) GZip the PHP files.

And start validating your (X)HTML.

Later on I decided to include DocBook XML, and also added the ability
to convert DocBook XML to HTML/PDF.

In Peace,
Saqib Ali

http://validate.sf.net

[Brian]

Re: Local server HTML validator

Nick Kew wrote:
[color=blue]
> for a single user, a desktop validator is likely to make more sense
> than a webserver-based one.[/color]

I don't know, I'd like to have a way to install a validator on my
localhost-only Apache (which I use to test my sites). That would allow
me to more quickly check my work. I use Windows. I could try to download
the w3c code, and get all the components, but I haven't made time for
that yet. But if something simpler were to come along... :-)

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[Brian]

Re: Local server HTML validator

Nick Kew wrote:
[color=blue]
> for a single user, a desktop validator is likely to make more sense
> than a webserver-based one.[/color]

I don't know, I'd like to have a way to install a validator on my
localhost-only Apache (which I use to test my sites). That would allow
me to more quickly check my work. I use Windows. I could try to download
the w3c code, and get all the components, but I haven't made time for
that yet. But if something simpler were to come along... :-)

--
Brian (remove "invalid" from my address to email me)

http://www.tsmchughs.com/

[Albert Wiersch]

Re: Local server HTML validator


CSE HTML Validator doesn't use the same engine as the W3 validator so the
results won't be the same. You might find this interesting, though:

http://www.htmlvalidator.com/htmlval/whycseisbetter.html

--
Albert Wiersch

http://www.htmlvalidator.com/

"Torbjørn Pettersen" <tpe AT broadpark DOT no> wrote in message
news:407c4eb6@n ews.broadpark.n o...[color=blue]
> As you might have noticed I'm trying to clean up my web site's
> HTML code. The way I do it is simply more or less redoing to
> complete site, testing it on a web server I have set up on my
> local network.
>
> I have downloaded, and installed CSE HTML Validator Pro,
> but I don't get the same results with that as I do with the online
> validator on W3.org. And I can't upload files to W3.org either,
> due to all the ASP code I use.
>
> So, the question is, where can I find a validator that validates
> like the one on W3.org? (Windows 2000 server).
>
> --
> Torbjørn Pettersen
> Editor/Webmaster
> FantaFiction
>
> www.fantafiction.com
>
>[/color]

[Albert Wiersch]

Re: Local server HTML validator


CSE HTML Validator doesn't use the same engine as the W3 validator so the
results won't be the same. You might find this interesting, though:

http://www.htmlvalidator.com/htmlval/whycseisbetter.html

--
Albert Wiersch

http://www.htmlvalidator.com/

"Torbjørn Pettersen" <tpe AT broadpark DOT no> wrote in message
news:407c4eb6@n ews.broadpark.n o...[color=blue]
> As you might have noticed I'm trying to clean up my web site's
> HTML code. The way I do it is simply more or less redoing to
> complete site, testing it on a web server I have set up on my
> local network.
>
> I have downloaded, and installed CSE HTML Validator Pro,
> but I don't get the same results with that as I do with the online
> validator on W3.org. And I can't upload files to W3.org either,
> due to all the ASP code I use.
>
> So, the question is, where can I find a validator that validates
> like the one on W3.org? (Windows 2000 server).
>
> --
> Torbjørn Pettersen
> Editor/Webmaster
> FantaFiction
>
> www.fantafiction.com
>
>[/color]

[Brian]

Re: Local server HTML validator

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Albert Wiersch wrote:
[color=blue]
> CSE HTML Validator doesn't use the same engine as the W3 validator so
> the results won't be the same. You might find this interesting,
> though: http://www.htmlvalidator.com/htmlval...eisbetter.html[/color]

You might find this more interesting:

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.htmlvalidator.com/htmlval/whycseisbetter.html

Physician, heal thyself!

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http://www.tsmchughs.com/

[Brian]

Re: Local server HTML validator

How am I supposed to post my replies in a newsgroup?:

http://allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post

Albert Wiersch wrote:
[color=blue]
> CSE HTML Validator doesn't use the same engine as the W3 validator so
> the results won't be the same. You might find this interesting,
> though: http://www.htmlvalidator.com/htmlval...eisbetter.html[/color]

You might find this more interesting:

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.htmlvalidator.com/htmlval/whycseisbetter.html

Physician, heal thyself!

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Brian (remove "invalid" from my address to email me)

http://www.tsmchughs.com/

[Jukka K. Korpela]

Re: Local server HTML validator

"Albert Wiersch" <mrinternetREMV ETHISUPPERCASET ORPLYnews@wiers ch.com>
wrote:
[color=blue]
> CSE HTML Validator doesn't use the same engine as the W3 validator so
> the results won't be the same.[/color]

As we have repeatedly pointed out, it is not a validator at all, and you
have read that and you have decided to keep advertizing it as a
validator. You have now reached a new level of bogosity with the babble
about "engine".

Validators do much less good than many people think and say. But surely a
commercial product that _has_ to be sold under a false name of a
validator is even less interesting.

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