mozilla and <td>-Problem

[Werner Partner]

Hier is the problem:

http://asterix/sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php

The <h1> and <h2> make their ellbows so broad that in the picture arise
borders on top and bottom.

The general question is:
How can I force left frame and banner to be exactly as broad resp. as
high as the picture?

These are the classes:
..icon { background-color:#EEEEEE; vertical-align:middle; padding:4px;
width:1px; height:1px; overflow:hidden }

..banner { background-color:#EEEEEE; vertical-align:middle;
padding-left:4px; padding-top:0; padding-bottom:0 }


..lframe { background-color:#EEEEEE; vertical-align:top;
text-align:center; padding:0 }



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[Harlan Messinger]

Re: mozilla and &lt;td&gt;-Problem


"Werner Partner" <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote in message
news:n9oik1xt7p .ln2@idefix.dom ...[color=blue]
> Hier is the problem:
> http://asterix/sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php[/color]

This URL is wrong. It also doesn't work if I substitute a dot for the slash
after "asterix".

[Harlan Messinger]

Re: mozilla and &lt;td&gt;-Problem


"Werner Partner" <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote in message
news:n9oik1xt7p .ln2@idefix.dom ...[color=blue]
> Hier is the problem:
> http://asterix/sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php[/color]

This URL is wrong. It also doesn't work if I substitute a dot for the slash
after "asterix".

[Spartanicus]

Re: mozilla and &lt;td&gt;-Problem

Werner Partner <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Hier is the problem:
>http://asterix/sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php
>
>The <h1> and <h2> make their ellbows so broad that in the picture arise
>borders on top and bottom.[/color]

What h1 and h2?:

http://www.spartanicus.utvinternet.ie/test/werner_partner.png

[color=blue]
>How can I force[/color]

You can't.

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[Spartanicus]

Re: mozilla and &lt;td&gt;-Problem

Werner Partner <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Hier is the problem:
>http://asterix/sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php
>
>The <h1> and <h2> make their ellbows so broad that in the picture arise
>borders on top and bottom.[/color]

What h1 and h2?:

http://www.spartanicus.utvinternet.ie/test/werner_partner.png

[color=blue]
>How can I force[/color]

You can't.

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[Werner Partner]

Re: mozilla and &lt;td&gt;-Problem

Harlan Messinger schrieb:
[color=blue]
> "Werner Partner" <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote in message
> news:n9oik1xt7p .ln2@idefix.dom ...
>[color=green]
>>Hier is the problem:
>>http://asterix/sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php[/color]
>[/color]

Sorry - it happens always again :-(
correct is

http://www.sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php

<td class="icon"><i mg src="../pics/sonoptikon.jpg" alt=""></td>
<td class="banner">
<h1>Artemis</h1>
<h2>Rechnungs- und Dokumentationsp rogramm f&uuml;r Heilpraktiker</h2>
</td>
</tr>

The problem are <h1> and <h2>. If there is only one <h1>, it is o.k.
It happens only with mozilla, not with IE.

Werner

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[Werner Partner]

Re: mozilla and &lt;td&gt;-Problem

Harlan Messinger schrieb:
[color=blue]
> "Werner Partner" <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote in message
> news:n9oik1xt7p .ln2@idefix.dom ...
>[color=green]
>>Hier is the problem:
>>http://asterix/sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php[/color]
>[/color]

Sorry - it happens always again :-(
correct is

http://www.sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php

<td class="icon"><i mg src="../pics/sonoptikon.jpg" alt=""></td>
<td class="banner">
<h1>Artemis</h1>
<h2>Rechnungs- und Dokumentationsp rogramm f&uuml;r Heilpraktiker</h2>
</td>
</tr>

The problem are <h1> and <h2>. If there is only one <h1>, it is o.k.
It happens only with mozilla, not with IE.

Werner

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[Alan J. Flavell]

Re: mozilla and &lt;td&gt;-Problem

On Fri, 9 Apr 2004, Werner Partner wrote
(on comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html, wohl gemerkt):
[color=blue]
> Hier is the problem:
> http://asterix/sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php[/color]

Please -check- your URLs before posting. thanks.

Even if I guess that what you intended was
http://asterix.sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php , the host cannot be
looked-up in the DNS.
[color=blue]
> The general question is:
> How can I force[/color]

The general answer is: "force does not work on the WWW".

More constructively: you can make presentation suggestions via CSS,
which is the business of comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets

HTML isn't about presentation, so you're in the wrong place here.

good luck

[Alan J. Flavell]

Re: mozilla and &lt;td&gt;-Problem

On Fri, 9 Apr 2004, Werner Partner wrote
(on comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html, wohl gemerkt):
[color=blue]
> Hier is the problem:
> http://asterix/sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php[/color]

Please -check- your URLs before posting. thanks.

Even if I guess that what you intended was
http://asterix.sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php , the host cannot be
looked-up in the DNS.
[color=blue]
> The general question is:
> How can I force[/color]

The general answer is: "force does not work on the WWW".

More constructively: you can make presentation suggestions via CSS,
which is the business of comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets

HTML isn't about presentation, so you're in the wrong place here.

good luck

[Harlan Messinger]

Re: mozilla and &lt;td&gt;-Problem


"Werner Partner" <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote in message
news:u1sik1xrt4 .ln2@idefix.dom ...[color=blue]
> Harlan Messinger schrieb:
>[color=green]
> > "Werner Partner" <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote in message
> > news:n9oik1xt7p .ln2@idefix.dom ...
> >[color=darkred]
> >>Hier is the problem:
> >>http://asterix/sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php[/color]
> >[/color]
>
> Sorry - it happens always again :-(
> correct is
> http://www.sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php
>
> <td class="icon"><i mg src="../pics/sonoptikon.jpg" alt=""></td>
> <td class="banner">
> <h1>Artemis</h1>
> <h2>Rechnungs- und Dokumentationsp rogramm f&uuml;r Heilpraktiker</h2>
> </td>
> </tr>
>
> The problem are <h1> and <h2>. If there is only one <h1>, it is o.k.
> It happens only with mozilla, not with IE.[/color]

It's not a "problem" and it has nothing to do with <h1> and <h2> If instead
of headings you decided to fit the contents of War and Peace in that space,
would you expect to be able to force the browser to make it only as high as
the image? Of course not. The text is as high as it is, and if it's higher
than the image, then their mutual container will have to be higher than the
image.

You *can* reduce the spacing underneath the headings with styles that change
their padding or margins. This will make the headings take up less vertical
space, but that still may not be less than the height of the image.

[Harlan Messinger]

Re: mozilla and &lt;td&gt;-Problem


"Werner Partner" <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote in message
news:u1sik1xrt4 .ln2@idefix.dom ...[color=blue]
> Harlan Messinger schrieb:
>[color=green]
> > "Werner Partner" <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote in message
> > news:n9oik1xt7p .ln2@idefix.dom ...
> >[color=darkred]
> >>Hier is the problem:
> >>http://asterix/sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php[/color]
> >[/color]
>
> Sorry - it happens always again :-(
> correct is
> http://www.sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php
>
> <td class="icon"><i mg src="../pics/sonoptikon.jpg" alt=""></td>
> <td class="banner">
> <h1>Artemis</h1>
> <h2>Rechnungs- und Dokumentationsp rogramm f&uuml;r Heilpraktiker</h2>
> </td>
> </tr>
>
> The problem are <h1> and <h2>. If there is only one <h1>, it is o.k.
> It happens only with mozilla, not with IE.[/color]

It's not a "problem" and it has nothing to do with <h1> and <h2> If instead
of headings you decided to fit the contents of War and Peace in that space,
would you expect to be able to force the browser to make it only as high as
the image? Of course not. The text is as high as it is, and if it's higher
than the image, then their mutual container will have to be higher than the
image.

You *can* reduce the spacing underneath the headings with styles that change
their padding or margins. This will make the headings take up less vertical
space, but that still may not be less than the height of the image.

[Werner Partner]

Re: mozilla and &lt;td&gt;-Problem

Harlan Messinger schrieb:
[color=blue]
> "Werner Partner" <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote in message
> news:u1sik1xrt4 .ln2@idefix.dom ...
>[color=green]
>>Harlan Messinger schrieb:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>"Werner Partner" <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote in message
>>>news:n9oik1x t7p.ln2@idefix. dom...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hier is the problem:
>>>>http://asterix/sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php
>>>[/color]
>>Sorry - it happens always again :-(
>>correct is
>>http://www.sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php
>>
>><td class="icon"><i mg src="../pics/sonoptikon.jpg" alt=""></td>
>><td class="banner">
>> <h1>Artemis</h1>
>> <h2>Rechnungs- und Dokumentationsp rogramm f&uuml;r Heilpraktiker</h2>
>></td>
>></tr>
>>
>>The problem are <h1> and <h2>. If there is only one <h1>, it is o.k.
>>It happens only with mozilla, not with IE.[/color]
>
>
> It's not a "problem" and it has nothing to do with <h1> and <h2> If instead
> of headings you decided to fit the contents of War and Peace in that space,
> would you expect to be able to force the browser to make it only as high as
> the image? Of course not. The text is as high as it is, and if it's higher
> than the image, then their mutual container will have to be higher than the
> image.
>
> You *can* reduce the spacing underneath the headings with styles that change
> their padding or margins. This will make the headings take up less vertical
> space, but that still may not be less than the height of the image.
>[/color]

I tried this already. But perhaps there is another sophisticated
possibility.

The container has never more than two lines, when the picture is very
small then of course the banner is broader than the picture.

The effect came when I changed from HTML 4.01 Transitional to HTML 4.01
Strict with CSS.

Werner


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[Werner Partner]

Re: mozilla and &lt;td&gt;-Problem

Harlan Messinger schrieb:
[color=blue]
> "Werner Partner" <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote in message
> news:u1sik1xrt4 .ln2@idefix.dom ...
>[color=green]
>>Harlan Messinger schrieb:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>"Werner Partner" <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote in message
>>>news:n9oik1x t7p.ln2@idefix. dom...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hier is the problem:
>>>>http://asterix/sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php
>>>[/color]
>>Sorry - it happens always again :-(
>>correct is
>>http://www.sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php
>>
>><td class="icon"><i mg src="../pics/sonoptikon.jpg" alt=""></td>
>><td class="banner">
>> <h1>Artemis</h1>
>> <h2>Rechnungs- und Dokumentationsp rogramm f&uuml;r Heilpraktiker</h2>
>></td>
>></tr>
>>
>>The problem are <h1> and <h2>. If there is only one <h1>, it is o.k.
>>It happens only with mozilla, not with IE.[/color]
>
>
> It's not a "problem" and it has nothing to do with <h1> and <h2> If instead
> of headings you decided to fit the contents of War and Peace in that space,
> would you expect to be able to force the browser to make it only as high as
> the image? Of course not. The text is as high as it is, and if it's higher
> than the image, then their mutual container will have to be higher than the
> image.
>
> You *can* reduce the spacing underneath the headings with styles that change
> their padding or margins. This will make the headings take up less vertical
> space, but that still may not be less than the height of the image.
>[/color]

I tried this already. But perhaps there is another sophisticated
possibility.

The container has never more than two lines, when the picture is very
small then of course the banner is broader than the picture.

The effect came when I changed from HTML 4.01 Transitional to HTML 4.01
Strict with CSS.

Werner


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[Harlan Messinger]

Re: mozilla and &lt;td&gt;-Problem


"Werner Partner" <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote in message
news:1g1jk1xasl .ln2@idefix.dom ...[color=blue]
> Harlan Messinger schrieb:
>[color=green]
> > "Werner Partner" <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote in message
> > news:u1sik1xrt4 .ln2@idefix.dom ...
> >[color=darkred]
> >>Harlan Messinger schrieb:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Werner Partner" <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote in message
> >>>news:n9oik1x t7p.ln2@idefix. dom...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hier is the problem:
> >>>>http://asterix/sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php
> >>>
> >>Sorry - it happens always again :-(
> >>correct is
> >>http://www.sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php
> >>
> >><td class="icon"><i mg src="../pics/sonoptikon.jpg" alt=""></td>
> >><td class="banner">
> >> <h1>Artemis</h1>
> >> <h2>Rechnungs- und Dokumentationsp rogramm f&uuml;r[/color][/color][/color]
Heilpraktiker</h2>[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >></td>
> >></tr>
> >>
> >>The problem are <h1> and <h2>. If there is only one <h1>, it is o.k.
> >>It happens only with mozilla, not with IE.[/color]
> >
> >
> > It's not a "problem" and it has nothing to do with <h1> and <h2> If[/color][/color]
instead[color=blue][color=green]
> > of headings you decided to fit the contents of War and Peace in that[/color][/color]
space,[color=blue][color=green]
> > would you expect to be able to force the browser to make it only as high[/color][/color]
as[color=blue][color=green]
> > the image? Of course not. The text is as high as it is, and if it's[/color][/color]
higher[color=blue][color=green]
> > than the image, then their mutual container will have to be higher than[/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green]
> > image.
> >
> > You *can* reduce the spacing underneath the headings with styles that[/color][/color]
change[color=blue][color=green]
> > their padding or margins. This will make the headings take up less[/color][/color]
vertical[color=blue][color=green]
> > space, but that still may not be less than the height of the image.
> >[/color]
>
> I tried this already. But perhaps there is another sophisticated
> possibility.[/color]

The version I'm seeing has a lot of excess padding.
[color=blue]
>
> The container has never more than two lines, when the picture is very
> small then of course the banner is broader than the picture.
>
> The effect came when I changed from HTML 4.01 Transitional to HTML 4.01
> Strict with CSS.[/color]

That probably changed the padding. Or the font sizes. Or something. Nothing
you can't fix with proper use of CSS.

[Harlan Messinger]

Re: mozilla and &lt;td&gt;-Problem


"Werner Partner" <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote in message
news:1g1jk1xasl .ln2@idefix.dom ...[color=blue]
> Harlan Messinger schrieb:
>[color=green]
> > "Werner Partner" <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote in message
> > news:u1sik1xrt4 .ln2@idefix.dom ...
> >[color=darkred]
> >>Harlan Messinger schrieb:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Werner Partner" <kairos@sonopti kon.de> wrote in message
> >>>news:n9oik1x t7p.ln2@idefix. dom...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hier is the problem:
> >>>>http://asterix/sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php
> >>>
> >>Sorry - it happens always again :-(
> >>correct is
> >>http://www.sonoptikon.de/artemis/index.php
> >>
> >><td class="icon"><i mg src="../pics/sonoptikon.jpg" alt=""></td>
> >><td class="banner">
> >> <h1>Artemis</h1>
> >> <h2>Rechnungs- und Dokumentationsp rogramm f&uuml;r[/color][/color][/color]
Heilpraktiker</h2>[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >></td>
> >></tr>
> >>
> >>The problem are <h1> and <h2>. If there is only one <h1>, it is o.k.
> >>It happens only with mozilla, not with IE.[/color]
> >
> >
> > It's not a "problem" and it has nothing to do with <h1> and <h2> If[/color][/color]
instead[color=blue][color=green]
> > of headings you decided to fit the contents of War and Peace in that[/color][/color]
space,[color=blue][color=green]
> > would you expect to be able to force the browser to make it only as high[/color][/color]
as[color=blue][color=green]
> > the image? Of course not. The text is as high as it is, and if it's[/color][/color]
higher[color=blue][color=green]
> > than the image, then their mutual container will have to be higher than[/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green]
> > image.
> >
> > You *can* reduce the spacing underneath the headings with styles that[/color][/color]
change[color=blue][color=green]
> > their padding or margins. This will make the headings take up less[/color][/color]
vertical[color=blue][color=green]
> > space, but that still may not be less than the height of the image.
> >[/color]
>
> I tried this already. But perhaps there is another sophisticated
> possibility.[/color]

The version I'm seeing has a lot of excess padding.
[color=blue]
>
> The container has never more than two lines, when the picture is very
> small then of course the banner is broader than the picture.
>
> The effect came when I changed from HTML 4.01 Transitional to HTML 4.01
> Strict with CSS.[/color]

That probably changed the padding. Or the font sizes. Or something. Nothing
you can't fix with proper use of CSS.