Problems with website display

[Bill Davidson]

My wife's friend had a website built for his company, and it looks great
using a PC.

When viewed on a Mac using either Safari or Explorer the formatting is
terrible. The home page is not too bad, however, any of the other pages
selected have large spaces between paragraphs.

I know to compare different browers when building a website but what can
I suggest to him for PC/Mac problems.

The website is at: http://www.estatenet.ca/


Comments & suggestions appreciated.


bill, toronto

[Barry Pearson]

Re: Problems with website display

Bill Davidson wrote:[color=blue]
> My wife's friend had a website built for his company, and it looks
> great using a PC.
>
> When viewed on a Mac using either Safari or Explorer the formatting is
> terrible. The home page is not too bad, however, any of the other
> pages selected have large spaces between paragraphs.
>
> I know to compare different browers when building a website but what
> can I suggest to him for PC/Mac problems.
>
> The website is at: http://www.estatenet.ca/[/color]

You (they) have some dodgy CSS. For example, it starts:

textarea{ color: #303030; font-family : Arial, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica,
sans-serif; font-size : 11px; }

Perhaps this was supposed to be ".textarea" ?

Also, there should be no space between numbers & units in (say) "line-height:
12 px" elsewhere. That could do strange things if the browser treated it as
"line-height: 12;", instead of ignoring it.

It might be worth while putting in DOCTYPEs, then validating both HTML & CSS
at W3C, to see what other bugs it can find. At least then you will know
whether you have typos or something more fundamental.

--
Barry Pearson

http://www.Barry.Pearson.name/photography/

http://www.BirdsAndAnimals.info/

http://www.ChildSupportAnalysis.co.uk/

[Bill Davidson]

Re: Problems with website display

In article <YlHYb.493$zv5. 418@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli .net>,
"Barry Pearson" <news@childsupp ortanalysis.co. uk> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Bill Davidson wrote:[color=green]
> > My wife's friend had a website built for his company, and it looks
> > great using a PC.
> >
> > When viewed on a Mac using either Safari or Explorer the formatting is
> > terrible. The home page is not too bad, however, any of the other
> > pages selected have large spaces between paragraphs.
> >
> > I know to compare different browers when building a website but what
> > can I suggest to him for PC/Mac problems.
> >
> > The website is at: http://www.estatenet.ca/[/color]
>
> You (they) have some dodgy CSS. For example, it starts:
>
> textarea{ color: #303030; font-family : Arial, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica,
> sans-serif; font-size : 11px; }
>
> Perhaps this was supposed to be ".textarea" ?
>
> Also, there should be no space between numbers & units in (say) "line-height:
> 12 px" elsewhere. That could do strange things if the browser treated it as
> "line-height: 12;", instead of ignoring it.
>
> It might be worth while putting in DOCTYPEs, then validating both HTML & CSS
> at W3C, to see what other bugs it can find. At least then you will know
> whether you have typos or something more fundamental.[/color]


Thanks for your input Barry.

bill

[Brian]

Re: Problems with website display

Barry Pearson wrote:[color=blue]
> Bill Davidson wrote:
>[color=green]
>> The website is at: http://www.estatenet.ca/[/color]
>
> You (they) have some dodgy CSS. For example, it starts:
>
> textarea{ color: #303030; font-family : Arial, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica,
> sans-serif; font-size : 11px; }
>
> Perhaps this was supposed to be ".textarea" ?[/color]

What is wrong (syntactically) with styling the textarea element?

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[Barry Pearson]

Re: Problems with website display

Brian wrote:[color=blue]
> Barry Pearson wrote:[color=green]
>> Bill Davidson wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> The website is at: http://www.estatenet.ca/[/color]
>>
>> You (they) have some dodgy CSS. For example, it starts:
>>
>> textarea{ color: #303030; font-family : Arial, Verdana, Geneva,
>> Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size : 11px; }
>>
>> Perhaps this was supposed to be ".textarea" ?[/color]
>
> What is wrong (syntactically) with styling the textarea element?[/color]

That is for Bill Davidson to decide. I simply asked a tentative question.

The CSS uses a type selector, and would be suitable for an element of document
language element type "textarea", eg. <textarea>. If there *is* one - OK. I
suspect there isn't, and it is really supposed to be a class selector, hence
my comment. But Bill can decide.

--
Barry Pearson

http://www.Barry.Pearson.name/photography/

http://www.BirdsAndAnimals.info/

http://www.ChildSupportAnalysis.co.uk/

[Michael Winter]

Re: Problems with website display

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:43:51 -0000, Barry Pearson
<news@childsupp ortanalysis.co. uk> wrote:
[color=blue]
> The CSS uses a type selector, and would be suitable for an element
> of document language element type "textarea", eg. <textarea>. If
> there *is* one - OK. I suspect there isn't, and it is really
> supposed to be a class selector, hence my comment. But Bill can
> decide.[/color]

Are you casting doubt on the existence of the TEXTAREA element here, or am
I just interpreting your post incorrectly?

http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#h-17.7

Mike

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[Barry Pearson]

Re: Problems with website display

Michael Winter wrote:[color=blue]
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:43:51 -0000, Barry Pearson
> <news@childsupp ortanalysis.co. uk> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> The CSS uses a type selector, and would be suitable for an element
>> of document language element type "textarea", eg. <textarea>. If
>> there *is* one - OK. I suspect there isn't, and it is really
>> supposed to be a class selector, hence my comment. But Bill can
>> decide.[/color]
>
> Are you casting doubt on the existence of the TEXTAREA element here,
> or am I just interpreting your post incorrectly?
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#h-17.7[/color]

I was just querying it. It may be relevant to the "contact" page. It is up to
Bill to decide - I can't do that. Ask him, not me!

--
Barry Pearson

http://www.Barry.Pearson.name/photography/

http://www.BirdsAndAnimals.info/

http://www.ChildSupportAnalysis.co.uk/

[kchayka]

Re: Problems with website display

Bill Davidson wrote:
[color=blue]
> My wife's friend had a website built for his company, and it looks great
> using a PC.[/color]

Hmm, I guess "looks great" is also dependent on using a particular
window size and text size, eh?
[color=blue]
> When viewed on a Mac using either Safari or Explorer the formatting is
> terrible. The home page is not too bad, however, any of the other pages
> selected have large spaces between paragraphs.[/color]

The home page has some huge gaps, too.
[color=blue]
> I know to compare different browers when building a website but what can
> I suggest to him for PC/Mac problems.[/color]

I doubt it is specifically a PC/Mac issue, but more likely a result of
all those nested layout tables. The code is a pile of sludge that needs
some serious cleaning up.
[color=blue]
> The website is at: http://www.estatenet.ca/
>
> Comments & suggestions appreciated.[/color]

Start over?

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[Bill Davidson]

Re: Problems with website display

In article <c12ig5$1cvn4n$ 1@ID-224809.news.uni-berlin.de>,
kchayka <usenet@c-net.us> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Bill Davidson wrote:
>[color=green]
> > My wife's friend had a website built for his company, and it looks great
> > using a PC.[/color]
>
> Hmm, I guess "looks great" is also dependent on using a particular
> window size and text size, eh?
>[color=green]
> > When viewed on a Mac using either Safari or Explorer the formatting is
> > terrible. The home page is not too bad, however, any of the other pages
> > selected have large spaces between paragraphs.[/color]
>
> The home page has some huge gaps, too.
>[color=green]
> > I know to compare different browers when building a website but what can
> > I suggest to him for PC/Mac problems.[/color]
>
> I doubt it is specifically a PC/Mac issue, but more likely a result of
> all those nested layout tables. The code is a pile of sludge that needs
> some serious cleaning up.
>[color=green]
> > The website is at: http://www.estatenet.ca/
> >
> > Comments & suggestions appreciated.[/color]
>
> Start over?[/color]

Thanks everyone, I'll see what the owners of the business has to say.


bill

[Brian]

Re: Problems with website display

Barry Pearson wrote:[color=blue]
>
> The CSS uses a type selector, and would be suitable for an element
> of document language element type "textarea"[/color]

What does that mean? "element of document language element type?"
[color=blue]
> eg. <textarea>. If there *is* one - OK. I suspect there isn't,[/color]

I assure you there is.

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#edef-TEXTAREA

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[Andy Dingley]

Re: Problems with website display

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:45:20 -0500, Bill Davidson
<bill@williamda vidson.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>My wife's friend had a website built for his company,[/color]

When ? That code is pure 1997. It really doesn't cut it for
today's standards - it fails on non-IE browsers, non-PC devices,
non-mainstream screen sizes/resolutions, it makes no attempt at
accessibility and the coding is generally sloppy.

--
Smert' spamionam

[Bill Davidson]

Re: Problems with website display

In article <kUaZb.78576$jk 2.419582@attbi_ s53>,
Brian <usenet3@juliet remblay.com.inv alid-remove-this-part> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Barry Pearson wrote:[color=green]
> >
> > The CSS uses a type selector, and would be suitable for an element
> > of document language element type "textarea"[/color]
>
> What does that mean? "element of document language element type?"
>[color=green]
> > eg. <textarea>. If there *is* one - OK. I suspect there isn't,[/color]
>
> I assure you there is.
>
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interac...#edef-TEXTAREA[/color]



Update:


My wife suggested he call the company who put the website together and
tell them the site does not show properly on Macs.


Answer: "there is nothing we can do about it"


bill

[BJ in Texas]

Re: Problems with website display

Bill Davidson wrote:[color=blue]
>
> Update:
>
>
> My wife suggested he call the company who put the website
> together and tell them the site does not show properly on
> Macs.
>
>
> Answer: "there is nothing we can do about it"
>
>
> bill[/color]

Next suggestion is that they give the same reply when he
attempts to bill them... Assuming they didn't pay before
checking.

BJ

[Barry Pearson]

Re: Problems with website display

Bill Davidson wrote:
[snip][color=blue]
> Update:
>
> My wife suggested he call the company who put the website together and
> tell them the site does not show properly on Macs.
>
> Answer: "there is nothing we can do about it"[/color]

Sometimes you have to stop banging your head against the wall and walk away.
But it would be interesting (although probably too late now) to know the
reason behind that. Sometimes people just can tolerate yet another problem on
their agenda. Well ... you tried.

--
Barry Pearson

http://www.Barry.Pearson.name/photography/

http://www.BirdsAndAnimals.info/

http://www.ChildSupportAnalysis.co.uk/

[Alan J. Flavell]

Re: Problems with website display

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, Bill Davidson wrote:
[color=blue]
> Update:
>
>
> My wife suggested he call the company who put the website together and
> tell them the site does not show properly on Macs.
>
>
> Answer: "there is nothing we can do about it"[/color]

No surprises there. Notice they didn't say "nothing can be done about
it", merely that they weren't able to do it.