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  • Harlan Messinger

    #46
    Re: Popups, web applications, accessibility


    "Brian" <usenet1@juliet remblay.com.inv alid-remove-this-part> wrote in
    message news:5DUkb.5101 15$2x.215869@rw crnsc52.ops.asp .att.net...[color=blue]
    > Harlan Messinger wrote:[color=green]
    > > "Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown @fastmail.fm> wrote in message
    > > news:MPG.19fb69 4ff1dc4bda98b5b a@news.odyssey. net...
    > >[color=darkred]
    > >>I think I can suggest two such reasons. The first: what does an
    > >>aural browser do with a popup?[/color]
    > >
    > > What does an aural browser do with *any* new window?[/color]
    >
    > Isnt' that a reason to avoid pop-ups?[/color]

    How is my asking a rhetorical question a reason?

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    • OJ

      #47
      Re: Popups, web applications, accessibility

      Stan Brown <the_stan_brown @fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:<MPG.19fb6 94ff1dc4bda98b5 ba@news.odyssey .net>...[color=blue]
      > In article <1bf0pvcl0nvn14 b8estj90i46h9bu fs7bb@4ax.com> in
      > comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html, Stephen Poley
      > <sbpoleySpicedH amTrap@xs4all.n l> wrote:[color=green]
      > >
      > >But if there is an *objective* reason why all pop-ups are bad, I would
      > >also be interested in knowing what it is.[/color]
      >
      > I think I can suggest two such reasons. The first: what does an
      > aural browser do with a popup? Can a visually impaired user "see"
      > the popup window? I rather doubt it. The second reason flows from
      > current practice by users.
      >[/color]

      Hi,

      How does such a user set font-size in Word when the window pops up?
      [color=blue]
      > Popups are often abusive; I think we can all agree on that.
      >
      > Therefore many of the people who have the option have disabled
      > popups. (Unfortunately this often means disabling _all_ popups. For
      > instance, Mozilla changed behavior between 1.2 and 1.4 so that
      > "Block unrequested popups" now blocks many that I used to get by
      > clicking on links in 1.2.)
      >
      > Therefore popups will not be seen by a significant minority of
      > users. From their point of view, they click on a link and nothing
      > happens.
      >
      > Therefore, anything that depends on popups to present content is
      > bad, because a number of users won't see the content.[/color]

      The OP already stated he would make sure that it is known that pop-ups
      will come in the course of using the site. If people want to see the
      information, they will know how.

      oj

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      • Stanimir Stamenkov

        #48
        Re: Popups, web applications, accessibility

        Harlan, you might consider using OE-QuoteFix
        <http://flash.to/oe-quotefix>.

        Harlan Messinger wrote:
        [color=blue]
        > "Stanimir Stamenkov" <s7an10@netscap e.net> wrote in message
        > news:bmr7ak$q2o b0$1@ID-207379.news.uni-berlin.de...
        >[color=green]
        >> Well, in the context of a web browser what prevents the user of
        >> opening a second window with the "Change Font" interface document on
        >> his/her demand?[/color]
        >
        > I'm trying to find out what the objection of *others* is to such a thing.
        >[/color]

        As far as I've understood you want to find out what is the objection
        of others to open additional windows automatically/programmaticall y,
        not on user's demand. Am I wrong?

        --
        Stanimir

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        • Harlan Messinger

          #49
          Re: Popups, web applications, accessibility


          "Stanimir Stamenkov" <s7an10@netscap e.net> wrote in message
          news:bn2ptl$sr5 dd$1@ID-207379.news.uni-berlin.de...[color=blue]
          > Harlan, you might consider using OE-QuoteFix
          > <http://flash.to/oe-quotefix>.
          >
          > Harlan Messinger wrote:
          >[color=green]
          > > "Stanimir Stamenkov" <s7an10@netscap e.net> wrote in message
          > > news:bmr7ak$q2o b0$1@ID-207379.news.uni-berlin.de...
          > >[color=darkred]
          > >> Well, in the context of a web browser what prevents the user of
          > >> opening a second window with the "Change Font" interface document on
          > >> his/her demand?[/color]
          > >
          > > I'm trying to find out what the objection of *others* is to such a[/color][/color]
          thing.[color=blue][color=green]
          > >[/color]
          >
          > As far as I've understood you want to find out what is the objection
          > of others to open additional windows automatically/programmaticall y,
          > not on user's demand. Am I wrong?[/color]

          You asked me what prevents the user from opening a second window. I'm
          observing that it's others who are saying that I shouldn't show the
          interface for this in a separate window, so I don't understand why you're
          asking *me* what should prevent users from doing this.

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          • Jeff Kish

            #50
            Re: Popups, web applications, accessibility

            On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:47:58 +0100, "Barry Pearson" <news@childsupp ortanalysis.co. uk> wrote:
            [color=blue]
            >Brian wrote:[color=green]
            >> Jeff Kish wrote:[color=darkred]
            >>>
            >>> how does one "turn off" popups?[/color]
            >>
            >> First, one acquires an actual web browser [1], one that assigns
            >> control to the user, where it belongs. Mozilla and Opera are two that
            >> I know allow the user to turn off popups.
            >>
            >> [1] Not, as Alan Flavell describes, an operating system component,
            >> i.e., not MSIE/Win.[/color]
            >
            >Until recently, I used {IE 6 + Free Surfer + Google Toolbar}. Both Free Surfer
            >& Google Toolbar can inhibit pop-ups.
            >
            >Now I use {IE 6 + Avant Browser + Google Toolbar}. This is even better. In
            >fact, it is the best (when I am a web user rather than a web developer)
            >browsing system I have ever used. And I have {Firebird 0.7 + web developer's
            >toolbar}, Opera 7.2, Netscape 7.1, and Amaya 8.1b available to me at the touch
            >of a button.[/color]
            Does anyone know the basics or mechanics of how the popups are blocked?
            Thanks
            Jeff Kish

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            • Jim Dabell

              #51
              Re: Popups, web applications, accessibility

              Jeff Kish wrote:

              [snip][color=blue]
              > Does anyone know the basics or mechanics of how the popups are blocked?[/color]

              Just a complete guess, but the way I would implement it is have a
              user-interaction flag that defaults to false. Upon any user interaction
              (clicking on something that has a Javascript onclick event handler, for
              example), the flag is set to true for that event handler. Then, in
              window.open(), check to see if the flag is set or not. If it isn't, don't
              display the popup.

              Of course, you can just disable Javascript or window.open() entirely; I'm
              just talking about so-called "smart" popup blockers that are intended to
              block popup ads, but not "legitimate " popups.

              --
              Jim Dabell

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              • Steve Pugh

                #52
                Re: Popups, web applications, accessibility

                Jeff Kish <jeff.kish@mro. com> wrote:
                [color=blue]
                >Does anyone know the basics or mechanics of how the popups are blocked?[/color]

                At the most basic - look for window.open in the code and hit it with a
                large hammer until it stops working.

                Steve

                --
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                I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - The Doctor

                Steve Pugh <steve@pugh.net > <http://steve.pugh.net/>

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                • Isofarro

                  #53
                  Re: Popups, web applications, accessibility

                  Steve Pugh wrote:
                  [color=blue]
                  > Jeff Kish <jeff.kish@mro. com> wrote:
                  >[color=green]
                  >>Does anyone know the basics or mechanics of how the popups are blocked?[/color]
                  >
                  > At the most basic - look for window.open in the code and hit it with a
                  > large hammer until it stops working.[/color]

                  Oh, you mean _this_ snippet:

                  if (obj==window.op en) {
                  obj.bork().bork ().bork()
                  }


                  Or does that only work in the special edition of Opera7?


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