Cells messing up layout

[Isofarro]

Re: Cells messing up layout

Eric Bohlman wrote:
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> Reification means treating an abstract concept as if it were a concrete
> thing,[/color]

Blimey. I'm one step closer to understanding RDF. Thanks!


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[Brian]

Re: Cells messing up layout

Davmagic .Com wrote:[color=blue]
>
> I find to be a great alternative for many WWW users who
> can't or won't use a PC: http://davmagic.com/PAGES20.html[/color]

rotfl

I was actually going to post that link for anyone wanting a good
laugh, but you went ahead and posted it for me.

You win the "silver lining" award for that one. Some highlights:

* Tv has lower resolution
That's an advantage, giving a more "eye appealing picture that viewers
appreciate...."

* Web TV has no mouse
It's so simple without that extra pointing device! Instead, scroll
with arrow buttons on a remote control device. "It's SO SIMPLE...No
MOUSE...and there's NO SIDEWAYS SCROLLING...onl y up and down." [I kid
you not, fellow usenauts, that's quoted from the link above.]

* Web TV cannot run software (except a [cough] web browser)
Think of the money you'll save!



There's various other points made on the page that are laughably
presumptuous.

* portability
"If you want to Travel, just unplug the WebTv Box and tuck it under
your arm and off you go... can't do that with a PC!"

Really? My laptop fits quite nicely under my arm. I can take it
anywhere. And I don't need to bring my tv with me, either.

Thanks for the laughs.

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[Davmagic .Com]

Re: Cells messing up layout

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>From: steve@pugh.net (Steve Pugh)
>The point is that your site has problems.
>Problems that will affect more people than
>the total size of the MSNTV user base.[/color]

Pure hogwash! My site has no problems, ..when checked out on MSNTV2.8+,
IE5+, NN7+, Mozilla1.4+ or Opera7.1 it renders fine.... except for an
image problem on Opera on a few of my Design Series pages... and as
another poster exclaimed in this thread: "I'm not going to change my
design for a browser that statistically ranks low on the usage scale"...

Well, I don't have as much experience as you in Web Design, but I still
think I have created a more Popular, Eye-Appealilng, Functional,
Entertaining and Content-Worthy Website than all of those that you have
supposedly created combined!

When users read pages they really don't care what code is behind them,
all they really care about is how well the page appears, functions and
satisfys their needs for content...

Based on my user stats, guestbook entries and email feedback, I think my
site is doing quite well despite any false claims otherwise from anyone
including you............ ...........>



Web Design-Magic-Painting-Junking-Games
INFO 2000 For You

http://www.davmagic.com

See how your webpages look on a MSN-TV Browser:
Download it here: http://developer.msntv.com/Tools/msntvvwr.asp

[Nick Kew]

Re: Cells messing up layout

In article <17832-3F7C00A9-111@storefull-2376.public.law son.webtv.net>, one of infinite monkeys
at the keyboard of DLSD@webtv.net (Davmagic .Com) wrote:[color=blue]
> So who's really ahead of the game here? My site is accessible to ALL
> browsers, getting over 140,000 hits and 45,000[/color]

So it's willy-waving time then?

I run a proxy that fixes pages like yours, empowering the users. I set it
up to mirror some popular sites as a demo, expecting a small trickle of hits.

Much to my surprise, after less than a month it was up to 200,000 hits per day.
I still don't know why - I guess it could have been slashdotted - but it
demonstrates there are real users out there who like their pages fixed,
and are prepared to do something unusual to get it.


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[Brian]

Re: Cells messing up layout

Nick Kew wrote:[color=blue]
>
> I run a proxy that fixes pages like yours, empowering the users. I
> set it up to mirror some popular sites as a demo[/color]

Neat idea!
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> I guess it could have been slashdotted[/color]

slashdotted? What does that mean?

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[Mad Bad Rabbit]

Re: Cells messing up layout

Brian <usenet1@mangym utt.com.invalid-remove-this-part> wrote in
news:4X6fb.4843 35$cF.170293@rw crnsc53:
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> Nick Kew wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> I run a proxy that fixes pages like yours, empowering the users. I
>> set it up to mirror some popular sites as a demo[/color]
>
> Neat idea!
>[color=green]
>> I guess it could have been slashdotted[/color]
>
> slashdotted? What does that mean?[/color]

Overloaded by too many people visiting it at once.
(for example, because the extremely popular site
http://slashdot.org posted a link to it...)

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>;K[/color]

[Steve Pugh]

Re: Cells messing up layout

DLSD@webtv.net (Davmagic .Com) wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
>>From: steve@pugh.net (Steve Pugh)
>>
>>The point is that your site has problems.
>>Problems that will affect more people than
>>the total size of the MSNTV user base.[/color]
>
>Pure hogwash![/color]

Number of MSNTV users vs number of Google users?
Number of MSNTV users vs number of users with JS disabled?
Number of MSNTV users vs number of users with a visual disability?
Number of MSNTV users vs number of Netscape 4 users?

You don't even win that last one!
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>My site has no problems, ..when checked out on MSNTV2.8+,
>IE5+, NN7+, Mozilla1.4+ or Opera7.1 it renders fine...[/color]

With JS off?
With images off?
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>. except for an
>image problem on Opera on a few of my Design Series pages... and as
>another poster exclaimed in this thread: "I'm not going to change my
>design for a browser that statistically ranks low on the usage scale"...[/color]

Number of MSNTV users vs number of Opera users?

As I said in my earlier post I would like to fix the problem so that
MSNTV users can access sites to the best of their browser's limited
abilities, but at the moment there is no easy way of doing that.
Coding with tables is such a huge leap backwards that it is not an
option. Instead of trying to drag web development back into the stong
age why don't you devote your energies to finding a way to hide CSS
from MSNTV?

Steve

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[Nick Kew]

Re: Cells messing up layout

In article <Heqdne7uzcWulu CiRTvUqQ@texas. net>, one of infinite monkeys
at the keyboard of Mad Bad Rabbit <madbadrabbit@y ahoo.com> wrote:[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> I guess it could have been slashdotted[/color]
>>
>> slashdotted? What does that mean?[/color]
>
> Overloaded by too many people visiting it at once.[/color]

Hmmm ... I thought it just meant a sudden/unexpected amount of traffic, because
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> (for example, because the extremely popular site
> http://slashdot.org posted a link to it...)[/color]

Exactly.

The server certainly wasn't overloaded by it, though my host wondered why
there was so much more traffic than I'd told him about:-(

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[Kirk]

Re: Cells messing up layout

Thanks for the help everyone.
Couldn't quite sort that layout issue, but I managed to blag it
somewhat and found a workaround (sort of). I've kept the tables
throughout the site as the main structure, and I've used linkes CSS
throughout the site. Looks and works well. Gonna bash on with it
some more though to see how dynamic I can make it.

Cheers people, Kirk