Sizing FIRST web Page

[Warren]

Greetings:

I know how to size a child window (po-up) however WITHOUT using FLASH,
is there a way to size the FIRST PAGE of a web site (and all subsaquent
pages as well) i.e. the WHOLE site would be, say 400px x 500px ?

Thanks in Advance!

Warren

[Brian]

Re: Sizing FIRST web Page

Warren wrote:[color=blue]
>
> I know how to size a child window (po-up) however WITHOUT using FLASH,
> is there a way to size the FIRST PAGE of a web site (and all subsaquent
> pages as well) i.e. the WHOLE site would be, say 400px x 500px ?[/color]

Not reliably. Decent browsers block attempts to change the browser
chrome, as well they should. As a web author, you decide the content
that's *inside* the window. The user controls how big that window is,
among other things.

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[Chris Morris]

Re: Sizing FIRST web Page

Warren <warren@NOSPA M-digorig.com> writes:[color=blue]
> I know how to size a child window (po-up) however WITHOUT using FLASH,
> is there a way to size the FIRST PAGE of a web site (and all[/color]

I assume you mean 'window containing first page' here. The way to
size the first page is to only include content that will fit within
400px * 500px (or whatever). Since all content is potentially
rescalable by the browser, this means that all pages on your site must
be empty to succeed.
[color=blue]
> subsaquent pages as well) i.e. the WHOLE site would be, say 400px x
> 500px ?[/color]

There are Javascript solutions that will either 'fail' and do nothing
or 'succeed' and annoy your users. It's not a good idea to try,
therefore.

If you post a URL then it may be that there's an alternative solution.

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Chris

[Warren]

Re: Sizing FIRST web Page

Chris Morris wrote:
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> If you post a URL then it may be that there's an alternative solution.[/color]

Soeey, this is work in progress. Our desire is to create a site where
the entire site (all pages) are a fixed size. I have seen this with
FLASH, but looking for aan HTML, DHTML, JAVA, CSS Solution.

So far, I have a java script that when the first page is accessed, will
open the proper size pop up (actual site) AND close the parent window. I
am working over in the JAVA groups to eliminate the WARNING message from IE.

warren

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Re: Sizing FIRST web Page

Warren pounced upon this pigeonhole and pronounced:[color=blue]
> Chris Morris wrote:
>[color=green]
> > If you post a URL then it may be that there's an alternative solution.[/color]
>
> Soeey, this is work in progress. Our desire is to create a site where
> the entire site (all pages) are a fixed size. I have seen this with
> FLASH, but looking for aan HTML, DHTML, JAVA, CSS Solution.[/color]

It's my browser window, not yours.
[color=blue]
> So far, I have a java script that when the first page is accessed, will
> open the proper size pop up (actual site) AND close the parent window.[/color]

If you would succeed in closing my parent window, I would be upset. I
would then leave your site.
[color=blue]
> I
> am working over in the JAVA groups to eliminate the WARNING message from IE.[/color]

Oh, ok. Java. IE. Then I don't have to worry... I'll never see it.

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[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Re: Sizing FIRST web Page

Warren pounced upon this pigeonhole and pronounced:[color=blue]
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>[color=green]
> > If you would succeed in closing my parent window, I would be upset. I
> > would then leave your site.[/color]
>
> Why? If you click on a link, or type in a URL, you WANT to see the site.
> If how that site loads is in a small window, why would you leave? Not
> logical.[/color]

Perhaps I found the link from a search engine (though not likely if the
site is done with Java). Still, I can't figure out why the author would
want to resize my window? What could be wrong with the size I already have
it opened to? If I see I need to scroll - and the information is important
enough - I'll scroll. I'm also perfectly adept at resizing my own window
if necessary.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > Oh, ok. Java. IE. Then I don't have to worry... I'll never see it.[/color]
>
> not quite. It works very well in NS and opera as well.[/color]

But only if you have a Java client installed. I don't.
[color=blue]
> You can tell a troll by their smell a mile away[/color]

Not me. I used my Mitchum-in-a-drum this morning... <g>

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[Brian]

Re: Sizing FIRST web Page

Warren wrote:[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> If you post a URL then it may be that there's an alternative
>> solution.[/color]
>
> Soeey, this is work in progress.[/color]

Then helping you will be difficult.
[color=blue]
> Our desire is to create a site where the entire site (all pages)
> are a fixed size.[/color]

And you have this desire because...?
[color=blue]
> So far, I have a java script that when the first page is accessed,
> will open the proper size pop up (actual site) AND close the parent
> window.[/color]

I can assure you that no such thing would happen if I visited that site.

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[Alan J. Flavell]

Re: Sizing FIRST web Page

On Fri, Aug 15, Warren inscribed on the eternal scroll:
[color=blue]
> Soeey, this is work in progress. Our desire is to create a site where
> the entire site (all pages) are a fixed size.[/color]

Don't you care about your readers?
[color=blue]
> I have seen this with FLASH,[/color]

Strange: I thought one of the (few) real benefits of Flash was its
ability to resize images, which traditional web techniques
unfortunately do not, since they are based on pixel-oriented formats
(I blame those guys from the NCSA myself, since Viola was already
showing a better way before they started digging the web into a hole,
which it's taken over half a decade to get back out from).

Although, I'd prefer an open technology such as SVG.
[color=blue]
> but looking for aan HTML, DHTML, JAVA, CSS Solution.[/color]

HTML is logical markup, so it doesn't even try to solve that aspect,
neither to help you achieve your pointless aim - nor to defend the
reader against it. As such, you're asking in the right place to get
shown the error of your ways.
[color=blue]
> So far, I have a java script[/color]

There is no such thing as a "java script". Java is one thing;
livescript/javascript/Jscript/ECMAscript are variants of some quite
different thing.
[color=blue]
> that when the first page is accessed, will open the proper size pop
> up[/color]

I'm sure the indexing robot will be most impressed when you open his
"proper size popup". As would any brailler user.
[color=blue]
> (actual site) AND close the parent window.[/color]

You've reminded me that browsers need a killfile...
[color=blue]
> am working over in the JAVA groups to eliminate the WARNING message from IE.[/color]

Uh-uh. Google groups produces a remarkable selection of articles, but
none that match the obvious symptoms. Ah, now I have it, it's
"Pls help fix this script". Not the worlds best choice of subject
lines, and got a remarkably co-operative answer considering just how
badly it had been mis-posted. Here's a prescription for your illness:

http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

All the best (you need it).

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W3C written into the contract" - (Matthias Esken, freely translated)

[Chris Morris]

Re: Sizing FIRST web Page

Warren <warren@NOSPA M-digorig.com> writes:[color=blue]
> Chris Morris wrote:[color=green]
> > If you post a URL then it may be that there's an alternative solution.[/color]
>
> Soeey, this is work in progress.[/color]

That's okay, better to fix it *before* it's finished then to have to
go around for hours afterwards. We're quite tolerant here of links
not working, etc.
[color=blue]
> Our desire is to create a site where the entire site (all pages) are
> a fixed size. I have seen this with FLASH, but looking for aan HTML,
> DHTML, JAVA, CSS Solution.[/color]

No, you really *don't* want to do that. Well, you might. More to the
point, *I* don't want you to do that and so my browser won't let you.
In the event of someone having stolen all my good browsers, you'd
better hope you're the only site on the web offering whatever it is.
[color=blue]
> So far, I have a java script that when the first page is accessed,
> will open the proper size pop up (actual site) AND close the parent
> window.[/color]

Definitely better hope you're the only site on the web offering
whatever it is you're offering, because you're not going to show up in
any search engines doing that.

Though closing the parent window will mean that I have to re-open it,
and re-open the search engine, to find another site with the same or
similar things. On the other hand, next time I'm giving a
how-not-to-do-it demonstration, your site is likely to feature. All
publicity is good publicity, right ;)

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[Daniel R. Tobias]

Re: Sizing FIRST web Page

David Dorward wrote:
[color=blue]
> Its like walking in to a shop and being told to take off your shoes and put
> on a different pair that are two sizes too small beucase they have special
> soles. Enduring them maybe worse then not seeing whatever is in the shop.[/color]

Isn't that what bowling alleys do? :)

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Re: Sizing FIRST web Page


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[Shawn K. Quinn]

Re: Sizing FIRST web Page

Daniel R. Tobias wrote:
[color=blue]
> David Dorward wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Its like walking in to a shop and being told to take off your shoes and
>> put on a different pair that are two sizes too small beucase they have
>> special soles. Enduring them maybe worse then not seeing whatever is in
>> the shop.[/color]
>
> Isn't that what bowling alleys do? :)[/color]

You *can* bring your own bowling shoes to a bowling alley if you want. They
can even be the right size for your feet.

(Hopelessly heading towards OT for this group...)

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[Philipp Lenssen]

Re: Sizing FIRST web Page

In article <3F3D3AB5.10400 06@NOSPAM-digorig.com>, warren@NOSPAM-
digorig.com says...[color=blue]
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>[color=green]
> > If you would succeed in closing my parent window, I would be upset. I
> > would then leave your site.[/color]
>
> Why? If you click on a link, or type in a URL, you WANT to see the site.
> If how that site loads is in a small window, why would you leave? Not
> logical.
>
> (...)[/color]

Why would you leave?
I saw that happening before in IExplorer. It's incredibly annoying. It
was an Anti-Google site I can't find at the moment. It's a decision
between: a) leaving the site immediately, b) turning off JavaScript and
reload the thing, or c) allowing the site to mess with my browser. The
content better be good if you want your readers to stay even with such
an immense technical flaw (to which there is absolutely no reason,
either).