Right way to quote

[Alan J. Flavell]

Re: Right way to quote

On Sat, Aug 16, Tina Holmboe inscribed on the eternal scroll:
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> I'll try another question then. Does using a character from Unicode
> versus one from ISO-8859-* or even ASCII give a higher or lower
> probability of said character (a) not being presented to the user,
> (b) being presented to the user as a place-holding glyph, or (c) presented
> to the user as an entirely different character ?
>
> From the rest of your answer it would seem that "Higher" would be right.[/color]

I'd go along with "somewhat higher", and refer you to what I said at

http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/charset/checklist.html#NoteWin

Or to put it another way: sometimes your material may call
specifically for an extended character repertoire (say, Hebrew and
Greek together in a page on biblical studies) and then you just have
to require your readers to use a capable browser, and WebTV wouldn't
stand a chance. But when that kind of specialised requirement isn't
there, I'd say it's rather pointless to put your otherwise-
straightforward documents at risk by insisting on too many
typographical niceties.

But then, on the other hand if you are a typographer, or your work is
of a kind where typographic details are substantive to the content,
you'd obviously reach a different conclusion.

[Tina Holmboe]

Re: Right way to quote

Andreas Prilop <nhtcapri@rrz n-user.uni-hannover.de> exclaimed in <16082003203156 5431%nhtcapri@r rzn-user.uni-hannover.de>:
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>> Is there any
>> particular way to speak a quotation dash, as opposed to a hyphen ?[/color]
>
> You do not pronounce hyphens, commas, periods, do you?[/color]

Not usually, no. Shall I assume that there is no practical difference
between a hyphen and a quotation dash ?

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[Tina Holmboe]

Re: Right way to quote

Andreas Prilop <nhtcapri@rrz n-user.uni-hannover.de> exclaimed in <16082003211134 0629%nhtcapri@r rzn-user.uni-hannover.de>:
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> Stan Brown <the_stan_brown @fastmail.fm> wrote:
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>> How do you pronounce "version 3.2" or "uni-hannover.de"?[/color]
>
> version drei zwei
> uni hannover de e[/color]

Then, depending on your audience, you would loose information. Agreed ?

Dictating letters is an experience in itself.

--
- Tina Holmboe Greytower Technologies
tina@greytower. net http://www.greytower.net/
[+46] 0708 557 905

[Andreas Prilop]

Re: Right way to quote

tina@greytower. net (Tina Holmboe) wrote:
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>> You do not pronounce hyphens, commas, periods, do you?[/color]
>
> Not usually, no. Shall I assume that there is no practical difference
> between a hyphen and a quotation dash ?[/color]

No more than between a hyphen and a comma.

[Stan Brown]

Re: Right way to quote

In article <16082003211134 0629%nhtcapri@r rzn-user.uni-hannover.de>
in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html, Andreas Prilop
<nhtcapri@rrz n-user.uni-hannover.de> wrote:[color=blue]
>Stan Brown <the_stan_brown @fastmail.fm> wrote:
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>> How do you pronounce "version 3.2" or "uni-hannover.de"?[/color]
>
>version drei zwei
>uni hannover de e[/color]

Yeah, right.

And if you are reading either of those aloud to someone who will
write them down or type them, what do you think is the probability
that their rendition will match the original?

--
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[Tim]

Re: Right way to quote

tina@greytower. net (Tina Holmboe) wrote:
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>>> Is there any
>>> particular way to speak a quotation dash, as opposed to a hyphen ?[/color][/color][/color]


Andreas Prilop <nhtcapri@rrz n-user.uni-hannover.de> wrote:
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>> You do not pronounce hyphens, commas, periods, do you?[/color][/color]


On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 18:41:22 GMT,
nicholas_theodo rakis@urmc.roch ester.edu (Nick Theodorakis) wrote:
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> Only if the "lang" attribute is set to "Borge, Victor."[/color]

;-)

But you can configure speech synthesisers to read out punctuation,
symbols, etc. Though, I'm told, that most don't.

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[Alan J. Flavell]

Re: Right way to quote

On Sun, Aug 17, Tim inscribed on the eternal scroll:
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> But you can configure speech synthesisers to read out punctuation,
> symbols, etc. Though, I'm told, that most don't.[/color]

The default configuration of IBM HPR certainly didn't read out
commas, periods etc. but used them to influence the way the content
was spoken. AFAIR there was an option to speak them out explicitly
if wished.

However, it certainly did read | as "BAR", and [ as LEFT SQUARE
BRACKET, and so on (it read them rather loudly!). I didn't find any
global option to turn that off, though certainly there was a
comprehensive user-dictionary to apply one's own readings to pretty
much anything, whether it be a word, an abbreviation, or even a
punctuation character or group of characters.

OTOH, the user interface for setting those things in the speech module
was a nightmare even for a sighted user - I don't know how a blind
user would cope with _that_ aspect.

--
"If designers haven't done previous work for the web, they can come
to it with certain preconceptions. " - Martin Tanton in uk.n.w.a
(a sample of the British art of understatement! -ed.)

[Tim]

Re: Right way to quote

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 18:42:20 +0200,
"Alan J. Flavell" <flavell@mail.c ern.ch> wrote:
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> OTOH, the user interface for setting those things in the speech module
> was a nightmare even for a sighted user - I don't know how a blind
> user would cope with _that_ aspect.[/color]

Nothing unusual in that. Disability support is far from adequate, and
often only half-implemented.

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