web site programs

[Ron Bott]

I'm curious what you design professionals are using to create web pages
with, text editors or WYSIWYG programs. Which is the way to go for
professinal quality code?

Ron Bott

[Davmagic com]

Re: web site programs

>From: ronbott@yahoo.c om (Ron Bott)[color=blue]
>I'm curious what you design professionals
>are using to create web pages with, text
>editors or WYSIWYG programs. Which is
>the way to go for professinal quality code?[/color]

Learn HTML and use a Text Editor!

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[Mark Parnell]

Re: web site programs

Ron Bott wrote:[color=blue]
> I'm curious what you design professionals are using to create web
> pages with, text editors or WYSIWYG programs. Which is the way to go
> for professinal quality code?
>[/color]

I use Dreamweaver - but mostly for the site management side of things. Most
of the coding I do by hand in the code view.

For professional quality code, no WYSIWYG compares with hand-coding
(assuming you know what you are doing ;-) ).

--

Mark Parnell

http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

[Brian]

Re: web site programs

Ron Bott wrote:[color=blue]
> I'm curious what you design professionals are using to create web pages
> with, text editors or WYSIWYG programs.[/color]

The web is not wysiwyg. Any program which claims to be wysiwyg is a
fraud. imho.
[color=blue]
> Which is the way to go for professinal quality code?[/color]

If by professional you mean what you see on msnbc.com, or other such
sites, then use Dreamweaver. It will turn out the same lousy code the
big sites use.

If you mean quality code as used on sites like w3.org, use a text editor.

--
Brian
follow the directions in my address to email me

[Brian]

Re: web site programs

Ron Bott wrote:[color=blue]
> I'm curious what you design professionals are using to create web pages
> with, text editors or WYSIWYG programs.[/color]

The web is not wysiwyg. Any program which claims to be wysiwyg is a
fraud. imho.
[color=blue]
> Which is the way to go for professinal quality code?[/color]

If by professional you mean what you see on msnbc.com, or other such
sites, then use Dreamweaver. It will turn out the same lousy code the
big sites use.

If you mean quality code as used on sites like w3.org, use a text editor.

--
Brian
follow the directions in my address to email me

[Brian]

Re: web site programs

Ron Bott wrote:[color=blue]
> I'm curious what you design professionals are using to create web pages
> with, text editors or WYSIWYG programs.[/color]

The web is not wysiwyg. Any program which claims to be wysiwyg is a
fraud. imho.
[color=blue]
> Which is the way to go for professinal quality code?[/color]

If by professional you mean what you see on msnbc.com, or other such
sites, then use Dreamweaver. It will turn out the same lousy code the
big sites use.

If you mean quality code as used on sites like w3.org, use a text editor.

--
Brian
follow the directions in my address to email me

[Brian]

Re: web site programs

Ron Bott wrote:[color=blue]
> I'm curious what you design professionals are using to create web pages
> with, text editors or WYSIWYG programs.[/color]

The web is not wysiwyg. Any program which claims to be wysiwyg is a
fraud. imho.
[color=blue]
> Which is the way to go for professinal quality code?[/color]

If by professional you mean what you see on msnbc.com, or other such
sites, then use Dreamweaver. It will turn out the same lousy code the
big sites use.

If you mean quality code as used on sites like w3.org, use a text editor.

--
Brian
follow the directions in my address to email me

[Brian]

Re: web site programs

Ron Bott wrote:[color=blue]
> I'm curious what you design professionals are using to create web pages
> with, text editors or WYSIWYG programs.[/color]

The web is not wysiwyg. Any program which claims to be wysiwyg is a
fraud. imho.
[color=blue]
> Which is the way to go for professinal quality code?[/color]

If by professional you mean what you see on msnbc.com, or other such
sites, then use Dreamweaver. It will turn out the same lousy code the
big sites use.

If you mean quality code as used on sites like w3.org, use a text editor.

--
Brian
follow the directions in my address to email me

[Brian]

Re: web site programs

Ron Bott wrote:[color=blue]
> I'm curious what you design professionals are using to create web pages
> with, text editors or WYSIWYG programs.[/color]

The web is not wysiwyg. Any program which claims to be wysiwyg is a
fraud. imho.
[color=blue]
> Which is the way to go for professinal quality code?[/color]

If by professional you mean what you see on msnbc.com, or other such
sites, then use Dreamweaver. It will turn out the same lousy code the
big sites use.

If you mean quality code as used on sites like w3.org, use a text editor.

--
Brian
follow the directions in my address to email me

[Jonathan Snook]

Re: web site programs

"Brian" <brian@wfcr.org .invalid-remove-this-part> wrote in message
news:OciRa.7937 4$N7.9136@sccrn sc03...[color=blue]
> Ron Bott wrote:[color=green]
> > I'm curious what you design professionals are using to create web pages
> > with, text editors or WYSIWYG programs.[/color]
>
> The web is not wysiwyg. Any program which claims to be wysiwyg is a
> fraud. imho.[/color]

that's dramatic. Do you argue when your car only gets 32mpg instead of 33?
[color=blue][color=green]
> > Which is the way to go for professinal quality code?[/color]
>
> If by professional you mean what you see on msnbc.com, or other such
> sites, then use Dreamweaver. It will turn out the same lousy code the
> big sites use.
>
> If you mean quality code as used on sites like w3.org, use a text editor.[/color]

I don't see anything on w3.org that Dreamweaver couldn't handle. I find
Dreamweaver quite capable of producing clean simple HTML/XHTML compliant
code. (Just like it's capable of creating lousy code -- just like somebody
using a text editor could do.)

For the original poster: learn to hand code using a text editor. You'll
probably find yourself able to handle code tweaks faster than popping back
in DW, which can be a bit slow at times. If you're working on a larger site,
hand code your template and then use DW to pump in all your content, drop in
images, etc. Then hand code to tweak. I don't think any one tool will do it
all for you.

Jonathan

[Mark Parnell]

Re: web site programs

Brian wrote:

The same thing 7 times.

Once is enough ;-)

I take it you're having trouble with your newsserver?

--

Mark Parnell

http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

[Brian]

OT news reader problems

Mark Parnell wrote:[color=blue]
> Brian wrote:
>
> The same thing 7 times.
>
> Once is enough ;-)
>
> I take it you're having trouble with your newsserver?[/color]

<sigh> like you wouldn't believe. Sorry, everyone. I don't know
who's the culprit, either. Mozilla? Isp? The news reader kept
hanging, leading me to believe the message never went through. When I
checked back in later, my message wasn't there. Resend. Same thing.
Arggghh! I did cancel most of the reposts. Again, very sorry.
(Now, will this message go through?...)

--
Brian
follow the directions in my address to email me

[Mark Parnell]

Re: OT news reader problems

Brian wrote:[color=blue]
> (Now, will this message go through?...)[/color]

Yes :-)

--

Mark Parnell

http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

[SamMan]

Re: web site programs


"Steven Dilley" <steven.dilley@ compuware.com> wrote in message
news:3f15bcc9$1 @10.10.0.241...[color=blue]
> "Ron Bott" <ronbott@yahoo. com> wrote in message
> news:3F157F40.F 898BFD0@yahoo.c om...[color=green]
> > I'm curious what you design professionals are using to create web pages
> > with, text editors or WYSIWYG programs. Which is the way to go for
> > professinal quality code?
> >
> > Ron Bott
> >[/color]
>
> To do a top-notch job, you generally need to finish by going over the[/color]
tags,[color=blue]
> even if you started some other way.
> Dreamweaver is a good WYSIAWYG editor.
> (You could also use Word or Netscape Composer).
> Html-Kit is a good tag editor.
>[/color]

Do NOT use Word. This produces the most horrendous code I've ever seen! A
couple of months ago, I had to convert 400 Word docs to HTML. Most of the
time when I got done removing all the junk it added, the HTML doc was 90k
smaller. That's the size of an average page by itself!

Sam

[EightNineThree]

Re: web site programs


"Brian" <brian@wfcr.org .invalid-remove-this-part> wrote in message
news:OciRa.7937 4$N7.9136@sccrn sc03...[color=blue]
> Ron Bott wrote:[color=green]
> > I'm curious what you design professionals are using to create web pages
> > with, text editors or WYSIWYG programs.[/color]
>
> The web is not wysiwyg. Any program which claims to be wysiwyg is a
> fraud. imho.
>[color=green]
> > Which is the way to go for professinal quality code?[/color]
>
> If by professional you mean what you see on msnbc.com, or other such
> sites, then use Dreamweaver. It will turn out the same lousy code the
> big sites use.
>[/color]

I love seeing people bashing Dreamweaver.
Dreamweaver isn't any more or less likely to dump out "lousy code" than
someone using Notepad.
It comes down to the knowledge of the person using the tool no matter what
that particular tool is.


PS - If WFCR.org is your website, you have no room to talk about "lousy
code"
--
Karl Core

Charles Sweeney says my sig is fine as it is.